Sanders Campaign Prepares For Run As An Independent

[davidlynch]

In a move sure to shake the Democrat party to it’s core Bernie Sanders’ campaign is not yet done fighting their revolution against the establishment.

A quiet burst of activity from the Sanders campaign seems to all but guarantee that Sanders will run as an independent this election cycle. All across the country Sanders’ core infrastructure of volunteers and paid staff are mobilizing to collect signatures and perform necessary paperwork to get him on the general election ballots in the states.

http://www.aldipest.com/sanders-campaign-prepares-run-independent/

[scscholar]

3. It would be awesome to see him get < 1%...

would serve him right.

[seabeyond]

8. He won't get much. Between Trump spouting whatever, and Clinton using the stuff she didn't in

primary, his limited thinking and actually having to play hard ball, instead of being coddled, and the in our face lie and using our party to diss for a year only to turn around and try and steal votes, ..... He will have a very limited following.

[bvf]

116. Bye now! Yada yada yada, y'hear?

[HERVEPA]

7. Pay attention. It's a garbage site. He's not going to do it.

Yje hate goes deep with you, doesn't it.

[seabeyond]

10. Fuck ya, if he plays this card. Damn straight.

[NWCorona]

75. If? It seems like you are already there.

[They_Live]

81. You are rude.

RUDE.

[libdem4life]

107. Add Predictable and Boring and Really Angry.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. You fall for this shit, do you?

Then you're the one with a problem.

[seabeyond]

21. IF.... Pretty much says it all.

[HERVEPA]

28. Don't think she fell for it. Just shit-stirring.

[TheCowsCameHome]

40. That can be risky, especially when you fall in.

[HERVEPA]

46. Covered in it.

[yeoman6987]

76. It is his last chance

I don't think he'd run in 2024.

[Skinner]

2. He won't.

He has said repeatedly he won't run as an independent.

[davidlynch]

12. I realize that he has said repeatedly that he won't...

Yet, given the totality of the voting irregularities (in California particularly), the situation in Las Vegas, tricks by mainstream media such as the premature call by AP/Comcast, together these tricks inoculate Sanders from the accusation that he'd be going back on his word. He could pass the straight-face test by saying that he was naive, thinking that the Democratic nomination process would be fair.

[seabeyond]

15. They are his own made up false accusation with no evidence because he lost. It does not look good on

him, but to his most devoted base.

[davidlynch]

26. Do you know what an independent voter had to do to get a crossover ballot...

in California? If not, learn about it and post back here what you find.

[seabeyond]

31. Of course I know because I made sure I was informed. As I was for every state,

including my own, to not have any issues with voting.

[Goblinmonger]

95. You know all the voting regulations in all 50 states.

Yeah. I believe that.

[libdem4life]

110. This one should just be ignored. On the wrong board, I think.

[RobertEarl]

93. That's true

He could make a solid case we have been swindled.

But I think the D party is gonna wise up and nominate Bernie.

[Lord Magus]

99. There are no such irregularities.

Oh and the AP has no connection whatsoever to Comcast.

[GoneFishin]

115. Yep. Bernie is a diplomat not a door mat. After they kicked him the teeth and

cheated him out of a fair race over and over, he owes them nothing.

[Gman]

129. He owes money for using the party while not a Democrat.

[Karma13612]

158. Oh, I think he has paid dearly for that "use". Eom

[mythology]

183. Oh bullshit

The election wasn't rigged. He lost.

And the party was more than generous to let a guy who has called it ideologically bankrupt and said he would be a hypocrite to run as a Democrat run as a member of the party.

[HarmonyRockets]

154. He has stated his view

on independents and how they spoil elections. He was very harsh on Nader for spoiling the 2000 election. Are you telling me he is going to backtrack on this and try to spoil the election for Clinton and hand it over to Trump just because he is mad at the Democratic Party and the media? As a big Bernie fan I refuse to believe Bernie is that selfish and petty. There's no way in hell Bernie would be ok with getting Trump elected so he could "punish" the party for supposedly being unfair to him. That would just be asinine.

[pdsimdars]

161. Does Bernie talk about Nader spoiling the 2000 race? I would be surprised because

usually Bernie knows the facts. And the story that Nader spoiled the race in 2000 is myth, pure and simple. Gore messed it up all by himself. A group of newspapers counted all the ballots from Florida. And no matter which way they did it, chads, no chads, Gore got the most votes. The only way he would have lost is if they had just recounted the counties he suggested.
So, no, Nader didn't spoil it.
I am surprised at how many are sucked in by talking points.

[HarmonyRockets]

184. Yes

Bernie talked about spoilers and Nader in a TYT interview about a week ago. And Nader being a spoiler in 2000 isn't even a matter of debate. The number of people who voted for him in Florida was much larger than the margin of victory for Bush. Meaning if even a fraction of Nader voters had the sense to vote for Gore, than Gore would have won and the whole situation with Florida would have been avoided in the first place. The same could have been said for New Hampshire. Even if you want to deny that about 2000, it's just basic math and logic that a liberal third party run will split votes on the left. Those are votes that could have gone to the candidate with the chance to defeat the Republican. It's shocking that any normal adult wouldn't be able to understand that concept.

[onecaliberal]

19. The DNC has repeatedly made empty promises..

[seabeyond]

24. Now we validate such a blantant lie?

[John Poet]

92. Hillary promised to debate in California, too.

Sometimes people change their minds.

But, I don't necessarily believe this is true.

[findrskeep]

140. You better hope he doesn't...

because he'd win. BIG.

[bravenak]

4. This is false

He said he would not and I believe him

[seabeyond]

11. I believed him too. I also figured when he lost, he would own it. Nt

[bravenak]

14. He better own it, it's his

He knows if he runs indu he can say bye bye to any good senate assignments or caucusing with us in any meaningful way. He will neuter himself if he runs as an indy

[seabeyond]

20. He could have made enough money to not care anymore. Who can figure out the integrity Sanders

plays under. It is like none I have seen in a lifetime. We have learned, his ego is strong. He think he is owed. Hos fan make him feel powerful.

[bravenak]

27. He might have

I'm still waiting on to pay for the pope trip. He has issues that need clearing up at home. An independent run- his former colleagues would start spilling the beans to take him out quickly. I know he thinks we owe him, but he's in for a surprise. We aint making him no sammiches or letting himset the agenda. He is going to have to cope.

[seabeyond]

38. He would have the heavens open up on him. All he has had is sunshine and couldn't even handle that

heat.

[bravenak]

48. Hell. He couldn't even handle Hillary NOT saying he was unqualified

Very delicate

[seabeyond]

53. Exactly. And she didn't even say it. Lol. Not out loud anyway. Nt

[bravenak]

56. Even though it was true, she was gracious.

Unlike some people who lose and then demand the title anyway.

[Pharaoh]

138. boy you guys have really been suckered into a shit site

Do you just believe everything you see on the internet?


http://sandiegofreepress.org/2016/06/lies-threats-clickbait-2016-campaign-trail/

[bravenak]

139. My first comment was that it was not true

[Lil Missy]

5. He won't. n/t

[metroins]

6. Sore loser laws

Not going to happen.

[Loudestlib]

43. The Green Party has offered him the top of the ticket.

[lumberjack_jeff]

80. Link? n/t

[Loudestlib]

98. .

And we’ve offered—I’ve offered, basically, to put everything on the table and to see how we can work together and explore the—what it would take in order for that to happen—

AMY GOODMAN: Well, let’s go to Bernie Sanders—

DR. JILL STEIN: —to run a joint ticket, for example.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/9/jill_stein_to_bernie_sanders_run

[Lord Magus]

103. Jill Stein said "joint ticket," not "top of the ticket."

She's not offering the top of the ticket, she's trying to get Bernie on the bottom of her ticket.

[peacebird]

104. No, Jill has offered the top of the ticket to Bernie

I am working to help,the greens get on the ticket in Virginia

[onenote]

111. If you're helping folks run against Democrats, why are you here?

[sturnz0r]

149. On my browser,

It is a lowercase d for democrat

Is this gonna be a problem?

[HarmonyRockets]

155. It will be in two days.

It's a shame. We barely got to know you.

[onenote]

187. From the DU terms of service:

Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground.


So yes, it's a problem.

[Loudestlib]

113. "She's not offering the top of the ticket,"

Did she tell you that?

This is what she said: "I’ve offered, basically, to put everything on the table"

[John Poet]

89. Sore loser laws ONLY apply to presidential candidates

in Texas and South Dakota, and nowhere else.

Collecting enough signatures to meet filing deadlines would likely be the bigger issue.

[Chan790]

118. Not that he's going to run as an independent...

but as a fact of law, sore loser laws cannot be applied to the Presidential race in all but 4 states...there is a laches issue (also a selective enforcement one) in that they were on the books when John Anderson ran in 1980 after losing the GOP primary and despite the capacity to challenge legally, no state did...meaning that laches bars any of those 46 states from doing so in any subsequent election...and individuals do not have standing to do so.

So...Sore Loser isn't an issue. What is an issue is that in virtually every state, it is past the deadline to file to run as an independent.

[Jim Lane]

144. I agree, he won't run, but let me correct a couple points.

First, laches is not an issue here. That's a delay in asserting a legal right. That government officials in 1980 did not assert a legal right to keep Anderson off the ballot does not affect the right of different government officials in 2016 to keep a different candidate off the ballot.

Second, there are a lot of deadlines that haven't passed. Many states have July or August deadlines for independent petitions.

Anyway, if Bernie were to take leave of his senses and decide he wanted to be on the November ballot even if he's not the Democrat nominee, he could easily get the Green Party nomination. There's discussion upthread about Jill Stein's attitude. I'm sure she'd be ecstatic to take the VP spot on a ticket headed by Bernie, and if she weren't, well, what do you think would happen at the Green Party national convention in August? "Hi, I'm Jill Stein, I got 0.36% of the vote last time." "Hi, I'm Bernie Sanders, I'm a sure shot to get at least 5% and qualify the party for federal funding." In other words, the nomination would be his for the asking.

But all this is irrelevant. If Bernie is not the Democratic nominee, then he will endorse whoever is the Democratic nominee. Most of this thread is just an excuse for Clinton people to get in a last few vacuous smears of Bernie.

Tick tock, as they're fond of saying.

[Chan790]

159. I'm assuming you're a lawyer, so I'm going to defer to you...

I'm going by how it was explained to me in an undergrad con-law class.

It's fairly common though...the general legal consensus, for a number of reasons, is that sore loser laws cannot be applied to the Presidential race. Another common argument is that voting is a form of political speech and that the state may not restrict free speech...that seems a less-likely win to me.

Anyways, the point is academic...there's no way he's running as an independent.

[zappaman]

9. Nice try.

But the Senator said he wouldn't.
Do you think he's a liar?

[davidlynch]

13. See reply #2--not a liar but naive perhaps n/t

[zappaman]

23. So if he breaks his word, he's "naive" but not a liar?

And what does reply #2 have to do with it?
I believe Sanders and his word.
Do you?

[davidlynch]

30. Talk to me about the California primary and what it took to get a crossover ballot...

And then we can talk about Bernie breaking his word.

[zappaman]

51. Talk to me about chili and what it takes to win a cook off...

And then we can talk about the California primary.

Sorry you don't want to talk about your OP.
Why did you post it?

Ingredients:

Stock pot

2 14 oz. Swanson's chicken broth
1 7 3/4 oz. can of regular El Pato Mexican tomato sauce
1 6 oz. can spicy V-8 juice
4 tsp. McCormick/Shilling onion powder (or 1-2 medium finely diced onions)
2 tsp. McCormick/Shilling garlic powder (or 6-8 cloves finely diced garlic)
2 Tbsp. McCormick chili powder (or other suitable chili powder blend like Gebhardt's)

@ 1.5 hours add ingredients below (mix with broth from your chili pot until rich paste is formed)

2 Tbsp. McCormick chili powder (or other suitable chili powder blend like Gebhardt's)
3 tsp. California chili powder
5 tsp. McCormick ground cumin
1/2 tsp. Accent of MSG (optional)
1 Tbsp. Tabasco red pepper sauce
Salt to taste

@ 2 hours add to pot (mix with broth from your chili pot until rich paste is formed)

1 tsp. New Mexico chili powder
1 1/2 tsp. Tabasco red pepper sauce
1 Tbsp. McCormick chili powder (or other suitable chili powder blend like Gebhardt's)
1 tsp. McCormick ground cumin
Salt to taste

@ 2 hours 40 minutes (mix ingredients below with broth from your chili pot until rich paste is formed)

5 tsp. McCormick arrowroot (or corn starch)
1/2 tsp. McCormick garlic powder
1/2 tsp. brown sugar
1 tsp. McCormick ground cumin
1 Tbsp. McCormick chili powder (or other suitable chili powder blend like Gebhardt's)
1/4 tsp. New Mexico chili powder
Salt and Tabasco red prepper sauce to taste

Instructions:

Brown in 3 batches in a non-stick skillet (or spray Pam in a regular heavy duty frying pan), 4 lbs. Tri Tip (top sirloin) cubed with 1 tsp salt and 1/2 tsp. McCormick white pepper in each batch. Rinse each batch with clear water and place in stock pot. Brown 1 to 2 lbs. pork chops (bone in), lightly seasoned with seasoning salt. Place in stock pot with chili meat.

[MFM008]

152. thanks

[LenaBaby61]

74. I live here in California...

And I had friends who supported Bernie who mistakenly belonged to the AIP who KNEW the election rules and who requested and GOT crossover ballots on line up until May 23rd, and ALL were able to vote for Bernie. ALL of them. They all to a person said if a fellow Bernie supporter didn't know or wasn't aware of the rule TOO BAD and that ignorance is no excuse and I agree with them.

I mean goodness, to not know the rules of the state you live in is not anyone's fault but your OWN fault.

[davidlynch]

84. Yes but if they didn't know to say the magic "crossover" they would have been out of luck...

They would have received a ballot without presidential nominee. Moreover, poll workers were instructed to NOT explain this to the voter even if they asked. They were instructed to respond that NPP voters are "not allowed" to vote for president in the primary.

[peacebird]

105. Even many who ASKED for crossover ballot were incorrectly denied by poll workers

[findrskeep]

141. EXACTLY.

[JI7]

17. no he isn't.

[Live and Learn]

18. After the way the DNC treated him, I sure wouldn't blame him. nt

[davidlynch]

22. ^^THIS^^^

He probably had no idea how rigged the system is. Democratic primary isn't designed to be democratic in the sense that most people understand. The way that California required independent voters to jump through hoops to get a "crossover ballot" exemplifies the problem.

[Live and Learn]

29. I am pretty sure that many of his supporters would get behind him. And if he joined with the

Green party, it might actually cause a 3rd party to be taken seriously.

[JudyM]

77. Not just the DNC... also Clinton, herself.

[Live and Learn]

85. I am trying to be careful. lol

[JudyM]

117. Oh, yeah the Censors.

[pdsimdars]

162. Yes, the Censors. . . . I have been shocked at that. . . . censorship is for weak minds.

I never thought I'd see it among Democrats. Wow!

[Blue_Tires]

173. Of course without the DNC he never would have made it this far

[KingFlorez]

25. No one should be surprised at this

Anyone who thinks that he won't do this is very naive.

[TheCowsCameHome]

32. You wish.

But sorry, you lose, again.

[KingFlorez]

42. More like Sanders lost, but still doesn't realize it

I want him to sit down, so I definitely don't wish that he'd run as an independent.

[Live and Learn]

33. He hasn't said he would and if it had been a fair election, he definitely wouldn't be. nt

[davidlynch]

37. ^^^ BINGO ^^^ n/t

[KingFlorez]

49. It was a fair election, so stop the nonsense

Get a grip.

[Live and Learn]

52. Says you. Do you know how much credibility I give that? nt

[KingFlorez]

55. Everyone has their conspiracies

In your mind it was always going to be fraud if Sanders didn't win.

[Live and Learn]

60. Your psychic abilities do not pass muster. Keep your day job. nt

[KingFlorez]

68. At the end of the day, the sarcasm won't change the election results

[Live and Learn]

71. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? nt

[democrattotheend]

186. I thought he has clearly said that he wouldn't

I thought he had ruled out an independent run?

[HERVEPA]

36. Nope, you're the (generously stated) naive one.

[KingFlorez]

58. I beg to differ

[HERVEPA]

61. Look at the fucjing site that was cited, will you. Look at Skinner's comment about it.

[Jim Lane]

146. Oh, yeah? Care to make a little wager?

I think he won't do this, so by your lights I'm very naive.

Go ahead, exploit me. The bet is whether Bernie runs in November other than as the Democratic Party nominee.
Bernie runs on Green Party ticket - you win.
Bernie runs on some other minor party ticket, Peace & Freedom or what have you - you win.
Bernie runs as an independent - you win.
Bernie runs on the Democratic Party ticket - no action on the bet.
Bernie endorses the Democratic nominee (not himself) - I win.

Stakes: Loser pays DU $25 to buy the winner a one-year Star membership or extend the winner's membership.

Speak up, or accept a white feather.

[Agnosticsherbet]

34. If true, Sanders has decided to elect Donald Trump.

[seabeyond]

45. AS many if not more of Sanders supporters are Libertarians and baggers. They would pull from Trump

pool as well and I still think Clinton would be the strong favorite.

[Agnosticsherbet]

73. I don't agree with your estimate. I also don't believe Sanders is going to do this.

Aldipest's use of "the Democrat Party" tends to make me think it is really a front for Conservative interests attempting to sew hate and discontent.

If he did, ripping between 35% and 45% of the Democratic party would be enough to elect even Trump. His frightened and reactionary white demographic would probably give him the win.

And if hey didn't, then it is possible that Sanders could pull enough to keep either side from reaching 270 electoral votes and throw the election into the House of Representatives, now controlled by Republicans. They would not elect Sanders or Clinton.

[itsrobert]

78. Sanders might take Vermont, and some other states

leaving no one with enough Electoral Votes. Which throws the election to the House of Rep. Which is republican majority. They can elect anyone they want. Jeb? Cheney? Cruz?

[Agnosticsherbet]

123. Exactly.

[Jim Lane]

147. No, that's not what the Constitution says.

If no candidate has a majority of the electoral votes, then the House, voting by state (one state one vote), chooses the President, but must choose from among the three people with the most electoral votes. On your scenario, the Republicans who control the House would have to choose among Clinton, Sanders, and Trump. Oh, to have the aspirin concession on Capitol Hill that day.

More likely, though, is that a separate Sanders candidacy, even if he carried Vermont and a couple other states, would have the principal effect of drawing off normally Democratic votes in many other states. The result would be that Trump would win a whole bunch of states with only a plurality. He could fall below Romney's percentage of the popular vote and still win quite a few states that Romney lost. Trump would fall well short of a majority of the popular vote but would easily have a majority of the electoral votes.

And that's exactly why Sanders won't do this.

[blackspade]

175. Oh bullshit.

Your biased hatred is clear.

[bvf]

119. Clinton supporters decided to elect Donald Trump

the moment he became the presumptive Republican nominee.

[Cooley Hurd]

35. "the Democrat party"

Please don't post utter RW garbage on our site, please?

[Agnosticsherbet]

47. Yes Alidpest sounds a lot like a Republican front group.

[MineralMan]

39. Click bait site.

Please don't post stuff like this and give such sites visits. Thanks.

[AgingAmerican]

41. Her supporters will literally believe anything said online

Its HILARIOUS to watch!

[pdsimdars]

164. Not necessarily, it has to be somethng good about Hillary and then they'll believe it

if it doesn't reflect kindly on her, it is an outrageous lie from the pits of RW hell and anyone who repeats it is a RW, sexist troll! (and will be hidden by the brain police)

[geek tragedy]

44. Bernie said he would not run indy. Now his own diehard

fans are calling him a liar. Unreal!

[pat_k]

62. I question why anyone...

...would give any credibility to "news" from a site on which every article is "by Alipest."

What or who is "aldipest"?

The "About" page states its mission to be:

"We do our best every day to give you the best advices on nutrition, exercise, beauty, healthy food and much more! And we hope to reach and benefit as much people as we can. That is our mission!"

Looks like crap to me.

[geek tragedy]

82. I agree nt

[JonLeibowitz]

65. What's unreal is your inability to detect bullshit in the form of this OP.

[pat_k]

50. WTF is "aldipest"? Looks like bullshit site to me.

Every article is by "aldipest"

What, they have no people?

Smells like a bullshit propaganda site to me.

And I don't believe a word of it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

59. Oooh! Oooh! But it makes

for such juicy rumors for the feeble-minded to lap up.

[pat_k]

67. I went to the "About" page:

Here's the "aldipest" mission:

"...We do our best every day to give you the best advices on nutrition, exercise, beauty, healthy food and much more! And we hope to reach and benefit as much people as we can. That is our mission!"

Guess they decided yellow journalism was more lucrative.

[TheCowsCameHome]

72. Now they peddle fertilizer.

They've diversified, I guess.


Someone here bought a big load.

[bunnies]

54. Bullshit.

People can be such suckers. Shit site no, no source, it's nothing but bullshit.

[katsy]

57. I suppose the fact that the campaign denies

SBS is going to run on an independent ticket... coupled with the lack of 1 verifiable fact, act, highly placed source to give this rumor mongering pos rag any credibility whatsoever has escaped you. I mean this article isn't even credible opinion. It's the "woo" of politics. A cry for help

Even if you wished it true... All the infrastructure for a run is available in the Green Party. Why would he lose his campaigns momentum, have his supporters pledge their votes to HRC when he could've easily dragged them to the GP.

HRC has won the nomination. I voted for SBS but am eagerly going to vote for HRC. What purpose does this serve except a cry for attention?

SBS is as honorable as humanly possible. Imperfect. Makes mistakes. Fallible. But he's no more a liar or player or evil than anyone in politics. Probably less so. Get. A. Fucking. Grip.

[itsrobert]

63. I doubt it

Not going to happen.

[Schema Thing]

64. This "aldipest" is a fiction site.

[TheCowsCameHome]

69. Oh, no, it was on the internet.

It's real.

[TheCowsCameHome]

66. How many time shares do you own, dude?

You sound like a salesman's dream come true.

[arcane1]

70. 100% pure speculation. So much for "journalism" n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

79. I doubt it. This is posturing prior to his meeting with Clinton tomorrow.

But who knows, I've been surprised before.

[mwrguy]

83. He wouldn't dare

[WhiteTara]

86. Anonymouse writers

without attributing sources. Don't you think that is suspect? Sounds phony to me.

[Maru Kitteh]

87. That's what everybody does right after the almost eliminate their entire campaign staff.

Just, you know - think about it folks.


I can't believe anyone would fall for this.

[Marr]

88. I don't buy it. /nt

[litlbilly]

90. If he runs as an indie, he will will...

[demwing]

133. But will Will?

[litlbilly]

136. i think even if he doesnt, he could win as a write in. Stranger things have happened

[Old Union Guy]

91. Never heard of Aldipest. A reliable source?

If it's true, we will know from enough different sources soon enough.

Bad idea, if true.

[FSogol]

94. Hey, did you hear they're taking the word gullible out of the dictionary?

[Motown_Johnny]

96. Bookmarked, for a good laugh later on. n/t

[Adrahil]

97. Lol! Look at that site's "news"

Some people will believe anything!

[book_worm]

100. Some people are really taking this seriously?

[zappaman]

101. Why would you bring a shit site that writes "Democrat Party" to DU?

[chillfactor]

102. That is ridiculous....

Sanders would never do anything that stupid!

[still_one]

106. flame bait nonsense. 3 more days

[Gothmog]

108. Too late in many states and sore loser laws will stop him in other states

I am amused by this speculation. Sanders' funding has dried up and he would have to sue in a number of states to try to get on the ballot. So far the Sanders lawsuits have been flops

[yourpaljoey]

109. Of course he is

[RandySF]

112. I think he would have already missed the deadline in many states.

[doc03]

114. That would be just great, hello President Trump. n/t

[immoderate]

120. Supports the notion that Hillary supporters will believe anything.

--imm

[PowerToThePeople]

121. Well, they believe she is a good candidate.

That tells me all I need to know about their judgement.

[pdsimdars]

167. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^

And what's more, they don't know WHY she is a good candidate, other than she's a woman and she had a lot of votes. I never knew that was all you needed.

[DCBob]

122. The OP appears to be a Bernie supporter.

Ask him why he posted it?

[immoderate]

124. Maybe it's a gullibility test.

With a bit of trolling thrown in.

--imm

[DCBob]

126. Wishful thinking more likely.

[Maru Kitteh]

131. Those here defending it are Sanders' supporters

[rurallib]

125. says aldipest is a fitness magazine

think they got some bad weed in their brownies.

[Capt. Obvious]

127. Laying off ones staff is a sure sign of it

[rjsquirrel]

128. Yeah right

Strip his committee assignments and have the DSCC funnel a few million to Al Giordano. I know I'll be sending Giordano a check.


Old Grandpa Bernie turns out to be as egotistical as Donald Trump. I used to really respect him. Now I want to see him beaten. Again.

Never should have allowed him to run as a democrat. Hopefully the lesson is learned.

[Demsrule86]

130. That would make Sanders a liar

and would guarantee a Trump win. He would go down in history as the one who destroyed the progressive movement just when it seemed it would succeed...snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[TheFarseer]

132. He's not going to run as an I for president

Is this part of the continueing sore loser kick Bernie and his supporters while they're down? I thought it would stop now that she has obviously won. Will it stop even if he drops?

[demwing]

134. Aldipest, all di time

pests, that is

[Whimsey]

135. Don't bet on him not doing it

Time and time again the message from the campaign has been reversed. Jane wants him to run. 'Nuff said.

[Jim Lane]

148. I'll happily bet on him not doing it.

My offer is in #146 upthread. I'll extend it to you, too.

Cripes, if I can find enough pigeons on this one I'll be a Star member for life....

[ucrdem]

151. It would make no difference whatsoevery.

The only votes he'd attract would be indies who weren't going to vote for Clinton anyway. He wouldn't win a single state, wouldn't turn a single state red, except maybe Vermont. But likely not even Vermont.

[Whimsey]

185. He could split the vote

and cost Hillary the nomination. That is the real fear.

[FourScore]

137. Um...No. n/t

[eastwestdem]

142. Yes! I've been wishing for this! Off to the fringe with the fringe candidate!! nt

[Nye Bevan]

143. Fuck Ralph Nader (nt)

[BootinUp]

165. +1

[arely staircase]

145. Bullshit. Bernie is all in for ķicking Trump's ass. He won't go Nader snd

become infamous.

[ucrdem]

150. Yeah yeah. We're so afeared. Guess what? Clinton still wins and Sanders loses. Again.

So I have to conclude that he won't.

[7wo7rees]

153. Bernie Sanders has always said he would not. No reason

whatsoever to doubt him now. In addition, there is no way at this point in time to launch a 3rd party candidacy. It can not be done.

[72DejaVu]

156. There's one upside to that

As soon as he declares his independent run, we can say what we really think about him without risk of getting hidden.

[99Forever]

157. If only.

Not going to happen, but sure pisses off all the right people to think it might.

[VulgarPoet]

160. Man, just feel all that #unity. eom

[NorthCarolina]

163. If Bernie's name is on any ballot in front of me, I WILL vote for him. -nt-

[pdsimdars]

169. Got that right.

[pdsimdars]

166. You have me confused about aldipest. People were saying it was a nutrition site

But I went to aldipest.com and the whole page is nothing but political articles. Looks interesting. I guess since it might impact Hillary in a negative way, it must be trashed rather than read.

[RogerM]

168. June 16th

June 16th cant come soon enough

[pdsimdars]

170. Another point. . . Debbie, the sane progressive had a powerful video yesterday

about the voter fraud nad many other things but about the last third, she was talking to Bernie and urging him to run if the Dems don't make him their nominee. She made some powerful points. She does seem like a sane progressive to me. I hope he takes her advice.
We have another month to see what shakes out.

[brooklynite]

176. ...and another day to keep talking this up...

[coyote]

171. Time will tell.

He has not endorsed her yet. I expect he'll put a good word on for her at the convention, but not actively campaign for her. It will be interesting what happens after the convention and where the cards will fall.

[Blue_Tires]

172. No chance... There are way too many filing deadlines passed

[La Lioness Priyanka]

174. exactly. he wouldn't appear in most states by now.

[Orsino]

177. "The Democrat Party"?

Enjoy your stay.

[whatthehey]

178. I highly doubt it.

Would be a massive reversal, doomed to failure and nigh guarantee an R win, which we know he is against.

[bunnies]

179. Are you content with the amount of people you trolled?

Just curious.

[heaven05]

180. only if true

given the stakes, he does not need to pull a Nader.

[ismnotwasm]

181. Is THAT why he endorsed anti-choice dem

Marcy Kaptur? Because I'm really trying to understand that one.

Bernie Sanders
Bernie Sanders – Verified account ?@BernieSanders

No president can do it alone. That's why I'm endorsing progressives Rep. @RepMarcyKaptur and Rep. @RickNolanmn.

[harun]

182. We wish