2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo, we basically have a losing candidate taking a victory lap
Secretary Clinton has won the popular vote, has a solid majority of pledged delegates, and the support of a large majority of superdelegates. She has won in every every measurable metric. But unfortunately Senator Sanders is refusing to acknowledge that he has lost, stubbornly continuing like a WWII Japanese soldier hiding in the jungle refusing to believe that their Emperor would surrender to the inferior Americans.
Sanders' insistence on making demands even after being rejected by Democratic voters is the height of arrogance.
Hillary is already leading Trump by a wide margin even without the endorsement of Sanders. Sanders is risking overplaying his hand. If Hillary calls his bluff and wins without him she will be more emboldened to tack toward the center, knowing that she can do without the support of fringe politicians like Sanders.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)He has shown to the world what kind of "democrat" he is by his graceless grandstanding and autocratic insistence that the party bends to his will.
The will of the LOSER of the primary!
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)and mainly due to the policy areas in which the candidates differ.
The idea of the Democratic convention is not only to name the nominee, but to shape the party's platform. One might argue that Bernie, along with his delegates, have a responsibility to represent those who voted for him in this process. Not arrogance.
While I've been told here on DU that the platform is old-fashioned and irrelevant now, I would still like to think there is a point to the process.
brooklynite
(94,548 posts)...or, he could not.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)***crickets***
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)and hurts us.
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)
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tonyt53
(5,737 posts)The GOP knows that this is their last chance at survival and they are wiling to spend whatever it takes. About those GOP donors - Trump has openly courted Sanders supporters. What is worse, taking their money and spending it against them, or taking the votes?Money doesn't vote, people do.
zonkers
(5,865 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)It was a malicious attack post.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)A better question is why there were 2 jurors who thought it was acceptable.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Other than that it is a very accurate statement.
840high
(17,196 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Absolutely.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I would have done the same thing. I do think psychopath was the catalyst for the hide or wool britches, not sure.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Turkey and yams - I'm a mashed tater person myself or a nice maple pecan pie made with Vermont syrup.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)zonkers
(5,865 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)a general campaign. It is time you all got off your high unicorns and joined the human race.
niyad
(113,302 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You are a voice for the Left that has not been heard in a long time. It is important for us and the country for you to keep after the owners. It's is a sign of a healthy democracy that you are in it all the way. Don't let any one dissuade you from practicing democracy.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)I am part of the Left, and he does not represent me. What he represents is the white male contingent of the Left. Some women and some minorities may go along with that, but he does not even try to represent the interests of anyone but white, liberal men.
cali
(114,904 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)If he represents you, that's great. And I suppose that's all you care about.
cali
(114,904 posts)Amaril
(1,267 posts)Hmmmm..........messed up the link..........
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2174667
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Sander's policies and consistent message throughout his career are far more favorable to minorities and marginalized communities than Clinton's. The fact that he was able to bring a disaffected white middle class along to that message, and to get them to support a united front that is pushing for free upper education and a 15 dollar minimum wage is a spectacular achievement that the Hillary camp and the media successfully mischaracterized for the sake of divide and conquer, and you all bought it.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)Only words I want out of his lips are, "Congratulations Sec. Clinton...I concede. Hell, his endorsement is worthless at this point...just concede.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)team winning. Can't you just enjoy a nice game of basketball or hockey or a shouting match about coke versus pepsi? Why do you have to reduce politics down to a sport when so much actually matters?
and what you're saying doesn't make sense anyway. Why does it matter if he concedes if his endorsement is worthless? If nobody is listening then why do you care that he's still campaigning?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)SirBrockington
(259 posts)I believe he lost every state with a substantially diverse population. Most of the wins were in the Pacific northwest and smaller states in the northwest portion of the Midwest.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)so i guess they count in that sense. BTW from Texas here, so really used to my vote not counting in the GE. I wish they would ditch the electoral college and go to popular vote.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)Nor does Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma ( wee, a Bernie state) etc.and a whole bunch of others. Gee, I am tired of this, this state matters, that one doesn't, which BW started with Hillary's camp saying white states didn't matter. Ditch the electoraklcollege, bring on popular vote, and then all our votes matter.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Isn't that exactly what you have done?
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)I think they all matter, in contrast to the poster I was originally replying to, Which is why i say, ditch the electoral college, bring on popular vote, then all our votes matter. Best way to increase voter turnout IMO.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)At least the PNW states (that went for Bernie in the Primary) vote Democratic in the G/E, as opposed to the southern states that have gone red.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Half of Bernie's wins were in states that will almost certainly vote Repug in November. Several are states so red they're shifting into infrared.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)What's your point?
redwitch
(14,944 posts)Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)I am a liberal, though not leftist. I believe in well regulated capitalism, not socialism. I do not believe that solving income inequality will solve all other problems. That in a nutshell is the difference is what makes us liberal and not leftists. There is a huge difference and most people do not understand that difference. It is laughable. For instance leftists hated FDR. They hated that he fixed the economy just enough to stop the grand grand and glorious socialist revolution.
coyote
(1,561 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)(complements of us, the tax payers) for as long as he can. What has he actually done to advance his pet causes?
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)SirBrockington
(259 posts)In similar circumstances, both general election and primary.
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)And if other people were footing the bill for me to fly around the country, and world, staying in $800 a night hotel rooms, I'm not sure I would want to quit either.
The good news is he's becoming irrelevant. The public and the media are onto the GE, which Bernie will not be competing. Thankfully.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Its her vision and her ideas and her message that won.. not his.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)More wars, get out of jail free cards for the rich, oligarchy, and alliances with Saudi Arabia was the last thing I was hoping for.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)I mean, besides what she adopted from Bernie.
Status quo is hardly what I would consider a vision.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)I couldn't tell you what her vision, ideas or message are. I know Bernie's, what are hers?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Most Democrats are happy with President Obama and dont want to toss out the good things he has done for some pie-in-the-sky attempt to reach liberal utopia.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)I don't actually know Obama's either. In 2008, it was Hope and Change, closing Guantanamo, but none of that happened. So can you articulate what her vision is? You seem to be saying it's 'everything's just fine, carry on as normal' but there must be more to it.
I mean, I read about her assault weapons ban thing to day, and kudos to her. She's setting herself up against the the NRA when she didn't have to.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I think her focus will be on getting things done. Move the country forward in spite of the GOP.
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)Moving the country forward how?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)She has a whole list of items she plans to focus on..
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)A vision is stated in a sentence or two. What's the vision?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)BTW by precis I meant summary. And if you're signing out now, OK, cause it's going nowhere.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)His "vision" is a fantasy.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)If you've nothing to say, why say it?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Who the heck are you??
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)I don't think you want that, do you?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)These excuses just don't cut it.
840high
(17,196 posts)Don't tell me what I can do or not.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)0 vote for trump
0 vote for Hillary
0+0=0
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)you are helping tRump and he thanks you for your support.
840high
(17,196 posts)know him well. I always vote for dems - down ticket is good!
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)and that also means you don't "always vote for dems" ... but hey, who cares about losing the Supreme Court for at least a generation, right?
840high
(17,196 posts)Hillary a good dem. Sanders is my ideal dem. I'm through with you. Maybe you don't mind more wars, lives lost. The middle class screwed.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Gotta laugh at the disconnect.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)Trump want Scalia types...hmm...just admit you hate Hillary because she beat your guy, and you don't care about saving the country from Trump. You sound very foolish when you say you don't trust Hillary on the courts when the only other choice is Trump...unless ...you are a secret Trump supporter?
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)if we lose the courts...the next 8 -10 presidential elections won't matter.
Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)Which is very possible. Is that something?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)and disliked candidates in history. It's lucky Bill talked Trump into running. He's the one person she can defeat.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It was never Clinton that wanted a coronation. It's been evident for a long time who really wanted a coronation.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)It turned out the Sanders supporters were the ones with the sense of entitlement.
-none
(1,884 posts)He also was not making plans and setting things in motion to run in 2016 from years before either.
Until Hillary announced her 3rd Way plans for running that is. That is when Bernie decided to run. He ran only using money donated by his supporters. No donations from Wall Street or Goldman Sachs. The same cannot be said of Hillary. Bernie aslo had to deal with the DNC leadership campaigning for Hillary, instead of remaining neutral.
Coronation indeed.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Sanders is going to the convention for a floor fight knowing very well that he lost the vote of the people. That says entitlement.
-none
(1,884 posts)Why? Because Hillary has not won yet either. She does not have enough delegates. And it won't be over until a Democratic candidate for the Presidency is declared at the convention.
Yeah, yeah, I know the Hillary supporters have been declaring Hillary won the candidacy right after the first half dozen primaries. You haven't been correct yet.
Bernie is the kind of person to have on your side. He fights for you to the end. He is honest and straight forward. Able to work both sides of the aisle. No FBI investigations. No personal servers used for work. No scandals.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Clinton has a majority of pledged delegates, so the race is over. The pledged delegate count is what counts at the convention and Sanders is behind by almost 400 pledged delegates.
-none
(1,884 posts)That is why Bernie is still in there and has not conceded.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)The required number of pledged delegates was 2026 and she has more than enough with 2219. The overall number require is 2383 and she has 2800. It's over.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)There's no more states to vote and no more delegates to allocate. She has considerably more than enough delegates to win. 2761 out of the required 2383.
And I literally could not give less of a damn about whether somebody uses a personal server.
-none
(1,884 posts)Or do you think that is just an inquiry because of curiosity on someone's part?
840high
(17,196 posts)about national security.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)You just wish the FBI would overturn election results you don't like.
840high
(17,196 posts)jamese777
(546 posts)Bernie wins "Miss Congeniality." Hillary is Ms. America.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)That was part why Bernie lost. Winning an election takes planning. So does a successful "revolution."
And what could be more of a "coronation" than giving the nomination to somebody who didn't win it, like you obviously want to happen?
Number23
(24,544 posts)Hell. YES.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Amaril
(1,267 posts)Yeah, you'd know a bit about that, wouldn't you? The phrase: "Takes one to know one" comes to mind.
Never seen a bigger bunch of sore winners in my entire life.
Clinton may have won but MILLIONS voted for Sanders. We are not irrelevant. I know, I know.......it really chaps your hide that we exist. You'll just have to get over that.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Her lead against Trump has picked up steam, it's expanding steadily and should enjoy another bump now that the primary season is complete.
I expect SBS will honor his words and campaign with enthusiasm for HRC to defeat Trump, but he would have had much more collateral to work with to advance his agenda if he would have negotiated a deal with her earlier, when his support was more solid and wide.
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)The lines are drawn, people have taken their sides, and as your post suggests it's all over except the crying.
Nobody will be swayed to one side or the other by any form of reasoning, so commentary that dismisses the candidate that isn't your candidate does nothing but make DU suck.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)You actually want those things, even if the Establishment calls them heresy.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)justMYcause
(14 posts)wants wide open primary elections or same day registrations. This is an invitation for disaster. Republicans would be more than happy to screw the Democrats. It happens, it is fact.
A voter must make some effort too. Voting is a privilege, but I also see it as a responsibility. Get yourself registered... Independent is not a party, and it is not the Democratic party. I fail to see why they (Independents) should be able to waltz in and pick our Nominee. Get some skin in the game...
Some have spent a lifetime building the Democratic party. Mr Bernie Sanders, did not spend a lifetime building THIS party.
He lost.. if he wants to be a Democrat, he needs to act like one. Goodnight Senator, please turn out the lights on your way out.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)A new personal record. 0 to Ignore in ten minutes and 1 post!
You've got a real talent fo rthis.
justMYcause
(14 posts)but I forgot my logins so I made a new account. I came back here because I see a lot of outlandish statements about HRC, rigging elections, and mystical mathematical grandeur.
5000 posts does not make one a better DEMOCRAT.
Matt_R
(456 posts)filled with extremists, you tend to get this isolationist thinking. The Democrat party is the big tent party, filled with centrist and conservatives as well as liberals and progressives. Get used to it.
procon
(15,805 posts)They like to talk about their "fight" and their "revolution", and the convention is their last shot at a national stage and getting their message in the limelight, so what will they do? Sanders and his followers have already secured permits to stage outside protests. He's the classic disgruntled loser, and who knows what he's capable of, or what his bunch is planning to do inside the venue where they'll have live, prime time TV coverage from all the networks and cable shows.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)is an effort to reframe an historic campaign that took a huge percentage of the democratic vote without taking a dime from Wall Street. So, um, its no surprise that Wall Street doesn't like this, and the big corporations that own our media certainly have a stake in defining Bernie's campaign as a loss and a failure on equal terms, but what is your stake in it?
Bernie is doing the one thing he still can with his campaign while he still has funding, and that's campaigning. No he can't win, but he can continue to get a message out that you won't hear at all once he no longer has a podium. You may not care about that message. I care deeply about it, and it won't be coming back around soon, so I hope he reaches whoever he can, especially the youth, because we need a better breed of politician going forward.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Seriously. Screw that...it's wrong on so many levels I wish I could "unread" it.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Sivart
(325 posts)Man, this is going to be hilarious.
jamese777
(546 posts)Resonated with the Democratic Party's primary voters and caucus attendees. She beat the pants off her opponent by 3.7 million votes. 56% to 43% and 34 contests won to 23 is an ass-whupping.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)way by powerful interests, and all candidates "totally" have an even playing field, and people are just voting their consciences, and their consciences just happen to be leaning right, is that something worthy of celebration in your eyes? Is winning with an agenda that is pro-corporate okay so long as that agenda reeled in the win? What is the "we crushed your idealistic candidate into dust" argument supposed to achieve for you exactly? Why are almost no pro-Hillary posts saying "thank god we got Hillary because of issue one, issue two and issue three. They're just all "Wooooowoooo in your face suckers!"
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)SirBrockington
(259 posts)PaulaFarrell
(1,236 posts)but all your posts are in the last 90 days? I wouldn't even remember I had an account. I mean, I think I created a couple here and there way back, but I wouldn't be sure. V strange.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Just kidding, they both suck.
jamese777
(546 posts)In modern day politics a ten point win is considered a landslide victory. Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders by 13 points (56% to 43%) in the popular vote. She won 34 contests to his 23 (60% to 40%). And she finished with a 387 delegate advantage in pledged delegates.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)That would actually be a leftward move.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Which is where she came from in the first place.
Sanders has nothing to do with it.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)SirBrockington
(259 posts)Considering a general election candidate won California, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York. Without checking I think It'd be over 300.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Obviously there's no way this map would happen in a general. Any candidate who could win every state in a general that Hillary won in the primary would win pretty much everything. It would be a 1936 or 1984 level landslide.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)their own. Most were tombstoned by skinner, and they will be again, just a matter of time
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Refrigerator. It happens.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)And I STILL can't tell the Clintonites from Republicans. They insist that they are "Democrats", but they never support or advocate for any Democratic policy.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)everyone will have her on ignore and Bill will just muck things up.
If she ignores Sanders, the Revolution goes into overdrive
Tal Vez
(660 posts)I'm sure that they're still talking. I trust them both.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)I will do what I can to deliver my people, provided...
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)the oval office.
The majority of Sanders supporters will support Hillary, and there is probably a pretty large chunk of the right that will too, either by voting for Hillary or staying home. Sanders seems to be having a lot of trouble pivoting post voting, but fortunately, Hillary and Sanders are mostly divided by methodology, not ideas; she has excellent skills in making deals that work, his amendment king skills will come into play, and I suspect that things will work out better than most people expect them to...in time.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Seems to me he won almost half the states, and got quite a few votes. Those voters aren't "democratic"?
It's funny how even with the voting being over, so many people are still terrified when he gets a little media attention. What are they afraid of?
Vinca
(50,271 posts)Must you continue to antagonize Bernie's supporters? Your chosen candidate REQUIRES their votes to win after all.