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Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:30 PM Jun 2016

So, we basically have a losing candidate taking a victory lap

Secretary Clinton has won the popular vote, has a solid majority of pledged delegates, and the support of a large majority of superdelegates. She has won in every every measurable metric. But unfortunately Senator Sanders is refusing to acknowledge that he has lost, stubbornly continuing like a WWII Japanese soldier hiding in the jungle refusing to believe that their Emperor would surrender to the inferior Americans.

Sanders' insistence on making demands even after being rejected by Democratic voters is the height of arrogance.

Hillary is already leading Trump by a wide margin even without the endorsement of Sanders. Sanders is risking overplaying his hand. If Hillary calls his bluff and wins without him she will be more emboldened to tack toward the center, knowing that she can do without the support of fringe politicians like Sanders.

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So, we basically have a losing candidate taking a victory lap (Original Post) Freddie Stubbs Jun 2016 OP
The time has come and gone for Bernie to exhibit humility and grace. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Way too late for that already workinclasszero Jun 2016 #14
to be fair, some significant percentage of Dems voted for Bernie Cal Carpenter Jun 2016 #2
He could clearly state that he fully supports the nominee AND will fight for a progressive platform brooklynite Jun 2016 #16
He could.... workinclasszero Jun 2016 #37
He has to concede. Otherwise he mounts a shadow campaign to show how great he is. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #56
He won't Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #104
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #3
In this upcoming general election, she had better have as much money as she can get tonyt53 Jun 2016 #4
Very true. The gusto with which these Reagan democrats loathe the Left is astounding. zonkers Jun 2016 #5
Why was post 3 hidden? Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #55
You can read the post right? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #57
Because 5 jurors are tired of the BS. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #86
Did you read it? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #92
The one thing I would change is "psychopaths" and change it to "sycophants" Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #97
agree 100% 840high Jun 2016 #106
Yep, my thoughts exactly CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #128
+ ∞ Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #130
All that aside, I still don't see a reason that the post should have been hidden Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #140
Me neither and I am glad you pointed out the strange hide. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #141
This place is getting a little creepy Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #143
Well this November it will be turkey time. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #144
... Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #146
I agree wholeheartedly. k8conant Jun 2016 #154
Group thug censorship working overtime? These days, IMO, a "hide" is often a badge of honor. zonkers Jun 2016 #162
Bernie's pure campaign and supporters could never raise enough money for upaloopa Jun 2016 #11
exactly niyad Jun 2016 #6
Keep fighting for us Bernie RobertEarl Jun 2016 #7
Well said. Thank you ciaobaby Jun 2016 #22
Bernie does not represent the Left. athena Jun 2016 #28
that is pure unadulterated bull. cali Jun 2016 #30
Thanks for being open and listenining to other people's views. athena Jun 2016 #31
you made a vile, false claim. Did you really think you wouldn't be challenged? cali Jun 2016 #40
It's kind of her stock in trade Amaril Jun 2016 #49
Come on, if you have a view then support it. You didn't give us anything to listen to, just rhetoric JCanete Jun 2016 #43
don't care ...he lost. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #73
The question remains, for you, and for many others, what the fuck you do care about, cept for your JCanete Jun 2016 #85
Fucking bull shit. pangaia Jun 2016 #33
Agreed SirBrockington Jun 2016 #52
Do they not count? n/t PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #64
Just as much as the southern states. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #80
well at least they vote dem in the GE PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #83
Does Utah votes Democratic? 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #87
No PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #116
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #117
Exactly the opposite PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #121
Oh ...I could have sworn you responded ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #142
Idaho & Wyoming & Oklahoma will vote Dem in the GE? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #94
So were Hillary's PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #114
Nonsense. nt redwitch Jun 2016 #62
I agree Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #157
Hear hear! coyote Jun 2016 #34
...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #46
He's not fighting for you. He's enjoying his celebrity and his swanky Secret Service detail eastwestdem Jun 2016 #74
Yes. It's fucking unreal. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #8
Has there ever been a major candidate of either party that refused to concede or acknowledge? SirBrockington Jun 2016 #53
If HRC would have done this in '08, she would not have been able to run again. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #54
Agreed -- and I would have called her out on it obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #84
I knew he wouldn't be able to stop the magic carpet ride CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #9
Bernie needs to come to grips with the fact the majority wants Hillary. DCBob Jun 2016 #10
Well that sucks GummyBearz Jun 2016 #19
Hillary has a vision? tex-wyo-dem Jun 2016 #58
Actually I think it was her name recognition that won PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #67
Her vision is much like President Obama's with more emphasis on women's and children's issues. DCBob Jun 2016 #68
So what is the vision? PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #71
Hillary is a pragmatic policy wonk type. DCBob Jun 2016 #96
But what things? PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #113
Unite the Dems and get enough Rs on board to pass legislation that is good for everyone. DCBob Jun 2016 #118
But can you not give me a precis? PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #119
That's precise enough for me... it will have be for you too. DCBob Jun 2016 #120
Sorry. that's just woolly words and means nothing PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #122
Bernie is the one who is full of "woolly words". DCBob Jun 2016 #124
Do your own homework. n/t Lucinda Jun 2016 #145
mind yout own business PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #158
+1. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #88
her vision is short sighted and she has nothing in common with Obama larkrake Jun 2016 #126
So says you.. DCBob Jun 2016 #129
IF BERNIE *DOESN'T* MAKE DEMANDS SOME OF... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #12
Yeah, losing SCOTUS for at least a generation isn't good enough of a reason for some people n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #32
I don't trust Hillary on Scotus. 840high Jun 2016 #47
Great ... so you'd rather let tRump fuck it up for sure ... brilliant ... #smh SFnomad Jun 2016 #65
go away - I don't trust Hillary 840high Jun 2016 #105
I'll be here .. to remind you how you let tRump screw America up n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #115
The only one helping Trump is Hillary. 840high Jun 2016 #131
If you would vote for BS as the Democratic nominee, but you won't vote for Secretary Clinton ... SFnomad Jun 2016 #134
Please tell him ur welcome - you seem to 840high Jun 2016 #138
If you "always vote for dems", but you'll take a pass on Secretary Clinton, you're helping tRump ... SFnomad Jun 2016 #139
You don't seem to understand. I don't consider 840high Jun 2016 #148
Trump thanks you for your support -- buh bye n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #149
Love how she gets credit for everything Bill did except seat the best justice we have. bettyellen Jun 2016 #66
The Clintons gave us Ginsberg... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #78
They must be the most stupid people that ever lived... Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #75
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #13
Clue back to you: What if we take back the Senate and make up ground in the House? DCBob Jun 2016 #18
Probably would have been more likely if we hadn't nominated one of the most distrusted Doctor_J Jun 2016 #111
One more day of this nonsense arcane1 Jun 2016 #15
4 more days workinclasszero Jun 2016 #39
Entitlement KingFlorez Jun 2016 #17
Ironically CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #27
Sanders didn't run in 2008. -none Jun 2016 #41
Who thinks they should win despite losing the popular vote? KingFlorez Jun 2016 #50
He has not lost yet. -none Jun 2016 #60
She has more than enough delegates, she crossed that threshold last week KingFlorez Jun 2016 #81
She does not have the magic number of delegates needed. -none Jun 2016 #91
You don't know what you are talking about KingFlorez Jun 2016 #93
No, Bernie has lost and Hillary has won. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #99
The FBI is sure interested in that server. -none Jun 2016 #102
Thank God the FBI cares 840high Jun 2016 #108
Your indictment fairy nonsense has nothing to do with national security. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #112
I wish for the truth. Obviously you don't. 'nite 840high Jun 2016 #132
Its Only Symbolic jamese777 Jun 2016 #61
"He also was not making plans and setting things in motion to run in 2016 from years before either." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #98
THREAD WINNA!!!! Number23 Jun 2016 #156
One person's truth is another person's delusion Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #20
"arrogance" LOL Amaril Jun 2016 #21
+1 ciaobaby Jun 2016 #23
+2 840high Jun 2016 #48
+3 samson212 Jun 2016 #107
He has overplayed his hand at this point. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #24
Let it go, Freddie. Alex4Martinez Jun 2016 #25
Sanders' demands are things we need. He should never stop demanding them, and neither should we. Orsino Jun 2016 #26
I want those things! I'm not sure everyone on this board does though. nt JCanete Jun 2016 #38
a majority of americans want those things, ignore the rabid few making DU hell to read larkrake Jun 2016 #127
What we need is for Sanders to put his big boy pants on and concede. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #72
No Democrat I know justMYcause Jun 2016 #133
Congratulations! 99Forever Jun 2016 #137
I was a member here 10+ years ago maybe longer... justMYcause Jun 2016 #161
When you have conservatives joining the Democratic party because the republican party has become... Matt_R Jun 2016 #160
Is he hanging on to keep his fans engaged to burn down the convention? procon Jun 2016 #29
Saying he was rejected by democratic voters is in bad taste, and like the media at large, JCanete Jun 2016 #35
Saying he's like "a WWII Japanese soldier hiding in the jungle" is even in WORSE EFFING TASTE. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #70
Why so bitter? GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #36
Many of us expected this. It's sad to witness. grossproffit Jun 2016 #42
Its freakin awesome to watch. Bernie is very inconvenient to the establishment. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #44
It's freaking awesome to watch democracy being rejected? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #100
Trying to blame sanders for Clinton tacking to the right already??? Sivart Jun 2016 #45
However she tacked jamese777 Jun 2016 #63
So in your fantasy world, where we have this free society, and the message isn't managed in any JCanete Jun 2016 #82
Tell your candidate he lost now concede. nt That is the only thing we want to hear. nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #79
What "tacking to the right" would that be? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #101
+1 SirBrockington Jun 2016 #51
I don't understamd how you can have been here 10 years PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #69
I liked their old persona better. arcane1 Jun 2016 #151
It Was A Landslide jamese777 Jun 2016 #59
I would be happy if HRC moved toward the center. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #76
He deserves it, he did an incredible thing. CanadaexPat Jun 2016 #77
She will track toward the RIGHT. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2016 #89
When I saw the title of this OP, I thought it was about HRC. panader0 Jun 2016 #90
She's the winning candidate, not the losing one. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #95
I wonder what the general election winner take all delegate count would be SirBrockington Jun 2016 #150
The states Hillary won in this primary would add up to 399 EVs in the general. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #155
Her supporters will never understand what has happened this last year AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #103
no, dont bother trying. at least we can identify those who are deaf and blind, cant think on larkrake Jun 2016 #125
I think he just forgot his keys in the MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #109
What a surprise. Another nasty Clintonite thread about how they need but don't need progressives. w4rma Jun 2016 #110
she will beat Trump, but will find defeat in congress and world issues. larkrake Jun 2016 #123
They will work it out. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #135
It's more of a leverage lap Zambero Jun 2016 #136
At this point everyone sane on the left would never allow Trump anywhere near Lucinda Jun 2016 #147
When HRC met with Obama in 2008 after the primaries, did you call that a victory lap? NT Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #152
"Rejected by Democratic voters"? arcane1 Jun 2016 #153
So why don't you just ignore it? You won. Isn't that good enough for you? Vinca Jun 2016 #159
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
14. Way too late for that already
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

He has shown to the world what kind of "democrat" he is by his graceless grandstanding and autocratic insistence that the party bends to his will.

The will of the LOSER of the primary!

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
2. to be fair, some significant percentage of Dems voted for Bernie
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jun 2016

and mainly due to the policy areas in which the candidates differ.

The idea of the Democratic convention is not only to name the nominee, but to shape the party's platform. One might argue that Bernie, along with his delegates, have a responsibility to represent those who voted for him in this process. Not arrogance.

While I've been told here on DU that the platform is old-fashioned and irrelevant now, I would still like to think there is a point to the process.

brooklynite

(94,548 posts)
16. He could clearly state that he fully supports the nominee AND will fight for a progressive platform
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016

...or, he could not.

Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
4. In this upcoming general election, she had better have as much money as she can get
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jun 2016

The GOP knows that this is their last chance at survival and they are wiling to spend whatever it takes. About those GOP donors - Trump has openly courted Sanders supporters. What is worse, taking their money and spending it against them, or taking the votes?Money doesn't vote, people do.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
97. The one thing I would change is "psychopaths" and change it to "sycophants"
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016

Other than that it is a very accurate statement.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
141. Me neither and I am glad you pointed out the strange hide.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jun 2016

I would have done the same thing. I do think psychopath was the catalyst for the hide or wool britches, not sure.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
143. This place is getting a little creepy
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jun 2016

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
144. Well this November it will be turkey time.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jun 2016

Turkey and yams - I'm a mashed tater person myself or a nice maple pecan pie made with Vermont syrup.





upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
11. Bernie's pure campaign and supporters could never raise enough money for
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jun 2016

a general campaign. It is time you all got off your high unicorns and joined the human race.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
7. Keep fighting for us Bernie
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

You are a voice for the Left that has not been heard in a long time. It is important for us and the country for you to keep after the owners. It's is a sign of a healthy democracy that you are in it all the way. Don't let any one dissuade you from practicing democracy.

athena

(4,187 posts)
28. Bernie does not represent the Left.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016

I am part of the Left, and he does not represent me. What he represents is the white male contingent of the Left. Some women and some minorities may go along with that, but he does not even try to represent the interests of anyone but white, liberal men.

athena

(4,187 posts)
31. Thanks for being open and listenining to other people's views.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jun 2016


If he represents you, that's great. And I suppose that's all you care about.
 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
43. Come on, if you have a view then support it. You didn't give us anything to listen to, just rhetoric
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jun 2016

Sander's policies and consistent message throughout his career are far more favorable to minorities and marginalized communities than Clinton's. The fact that he was able to bring a disaffected white middle class along to that message, and to get them to support a united front that is pushing for free upper education and a 15 dollar minimum wage is a spectacular achievement that the Hillary camp and the media successfully mischaracterized for the sake of divide and conquer, and you all bought it.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
73. don't care ...he lost.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jun 2016

Only words I want out of his lips are, "Congratulations Sec. Clinton...I concede. Hell, his endorsement is worthless at this point...just concede.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
85. The question remains, for you, and for many others, what the fuck you do care about, cept for your
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jun 2016

team winning. Can't you just enjoy a nice game of basketball or hockey or a shouting match about coke versus pepsi? Why do you have to reduce politics down to a sport when so much actually matters?

and what you're saying doesn't make sense anyway. Why does it matter if he concedes if his endorsement is worthless? If nobody is listening then why do you care that he's still campaigning?

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
52. Agreed
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

I believe he lost every state with a substantially diverse population. Most of the wins were in the Pacific northwest and smaller states in the northwest portion of the Midwest.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
83. well at least they vote dem in the GE
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

so i guess they count in that sense. BTW from Texas here, so really used to my vote not counting in the GE. I wish they would ditch the electoral college and go to popular vote.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
116. No
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:56 PM
Jun 2016

Nor does Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma ( wee, a Bernie state) etc.and a whole bunch of others. Gee, I am tired of this, this state matters, that one doesn't, which BW started with Hillary's camp saying white states didn't matter. Ditch the electoraklcollege, bring on popular vote, and then all our votes matter.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
117. LOL ...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jun 2016
Gee, I am tired of this, this state matters, that one doesn't,


Isn't that exactly what you have done?

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
121. Exactly the opposite
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jun 2016

I think they all matter, in contrast to the poster I was originally replying to, Which is why i say, ditch the electoral college, bring on popular vote, then all our votes matter. Best way to increase voter turnout IMO.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
142. Oh ...I could have sworn you responded ...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jun 2016

At least the PNW states (that went for Bernie in the Primary) vote Democratic in the G/E, as opposed to the southern states that have gone red.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
94. Idaho & Wyoming & Oklahoma will vote Dem in the GE?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jun 2016

Half of Bernie's wins were in states that will almost certainly vote Repug in November. Several are states so red they're shifting into infrared.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
157. I agree
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:50 AM
Jun 2016

I am a liberal, though not leftist. I believe in well regulated capitalism, not socialism. I do not believe that solving income inequality will solve all other problems. That in a nutshell is the difference is what makes us liberal and not leftists. There is a huge difference and most people do not understand that difference. It is laughable. For instance leftists hated FDR. They hated that he fixed the economy just enough to stop the grand grand and glorious socialist revolution.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
74. He's not fighting for you. He's enjoying his celebrity and his swanky Secret Service detail
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jun 2016

(complements of us, the tax payers) for as long as he can. What has he actually done to advance his pet causes?

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
53. Has there ever been a major candidate of either party that refused to concede or acknowledge?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jun 2016

In similar circumstances, both general election and primary.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
9. I knew he wouldn't be able to stop the magic carpet ride
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jun 2016

And if other people were footing the bill for me to fly around the country, and world, staying in $800 a night hotel rooms, I'm not sure I would want to quit either.

The good news is he's becoming irrelevant. The public and the media are onto the GE, which Bernie will not be competing. Thankfully.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. Bernie needs to come to grips with the fact the majority wants Hillary.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

Its her vision and her ideas and her message that won.. not his.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
19. Well that sucks
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

More wars, get out of jail free cards for the rich, oligarchy, and alliances with Saudi Arabia was the last thing I was hoping for.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
58. Hillary has a vision?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

I mean, besides what she adopted from Bernie.

Status quo is hardly what I would consider a vision.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
67. Actually I think it was her name recognition that won
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

I couldn't tell you what her vision, ideas or message are. I know Bernie's, what are hers?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
68. Her vision is much like President Obama's with more emphasis on women's and children's issues.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

Most Democrats are happy with President Obama and dont want to toss out the good things he has done for some pie-in-the-sky attempt to reach liberal utopia.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
71. So what is the vision?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016

I don't actually know Obama's either. In 2008, it was Hope and Change, closing Guantanamo, but none of that happened. So can you articulate what her vision is? You seem to be saying it's 'everything's just fine, carry on as normal' but there must be more to it.

I mean, I read about her assault weapons ban thing to day, and kudos to her. She's setting herself up against the the NRA when she didn't have to.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
96. Hillary is a pragmatic policy wonk type.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jun 2016

I think her focus will be on getting things done. Move the country forward in spite of the GOP.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
118. Unite the Dems and get enough Rs on board to pass legislation that is good for everyone.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jun 2016

She has a whole list of items she plans to focus on..

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
122. Sorry. that's just woolly words and means nothing
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jun 2016

BTW by precis I meant summary. And if you're signing out now, OK, cause it's going nowhere.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
12. IF BERNIE *DOESN'T* MAKE DEMANDS SOME OF...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016
WHICH ARE SATISFACTORILY MET, many of his many supporters would find themselves with little reason to vote for Hillary.

I don't think you want that, do you?
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
65. Great ... so you'd rather let tRump fuck it up for sure ... brilliant ... #smh
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jun 2016

These excuses just don't cut it.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
134. If you would vote for BS as the Democratic nominee, but you won't vote for Secretary Clinton ...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jun 2016

you are helping tRump and he thanks you for your support.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
138. Please tell him ur welcome - you seem to
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jun 2016

know him well. I always vote for dems - down ticket is good!

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
139. If you "always vote for dems", but you'll take a pass on Secretary Clinton, you're helping tRump ...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jun 2016

and that also means you don't "always vote for dems" ... but hey, who cares about losing the Supreme Court for at least a generation, right?

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
148. You don't seem to understand. I don't consider
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary a good dem. Sanders is my ideal dem. I'm through with you. Maybe you don't mind more wars, lives lost. The middle class screwed.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
66. Love how she gets credit for everything Bill did except seat the best justice we have.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

Gotta laugh at the disconnect.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
78. The Clintons gave us Ginsberg...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jun 2016

Trump want Scalia types...hmm...just admit you hate Hillary because she beat your guy, and you don't care about saving the country from Trump. You sound very foolish when you say you don't trust Hillary on the courts when the only other choice is Trump...unless ...you are a secret Trump supporter?

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
75. They must be the most stupid people that ever lived...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jun 2016

if we lose the courts...the next 8 -10 presidential elections won't matter.

Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. Clue back to you: What if we take back the Senate and make up ground in the House?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

Which is very possible. Is that something?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
111. Probably would have been more likely if we hadn't nominated one of the most distrusted
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jun 2016

and disliked candidates in history. It's lucky Bill talked Trump into running. He's the one person she can defeat.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
17. Entitlement
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jun 2016

It was never Clinton that wanted a coronation. It's been evident for a long time who really wanted a coronation.

-none

(1,884 posts)
41. Sanders didn't run in 2008.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

He also was not making plans and setting things in motion to run in 2016 from years before either.
Until Hillary announced her 3rd Way plans for running that is. That is when Bernie decided to run. He ran only using money donated by his supporters. No donations from Wall Street or Goldman Sachs. The same cannot be said of Hillary. Bernie aslo had to deal with the DNC leadership campaigning for Hillary, instead of remaining neutral.
Coronation indeed.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
50. Who thinks they should win despite losing the popular vote?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders is going to the convention for a floor fight knowing very well that he lost the vote of the people. That says entitlement.

-none

(1,884 posts)
60. He has not lost yet.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jun 2016

Why? Because Hillary has not won yet either. She does not have enough delegates. And it won't be over until a Democratic candidate for the Presidency is declared at the convention.
Yeah, yeah, I know the Hillary supporters have been declaring Hillary won the candidacy right after the first half dozen primaries. You haven't been correct yet.
Bernie is the kind of person to have on your side. He fights for you to the end. He is honest and straight forward. Able to work both sides of the aisle. No FBI investigations. No personal servers used for work. No scandals.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
81. She has more than enough delegates, she crossed that threshold last week
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jun 2016

Clinton has a majority of pledged delegates, so the race is over. The pledged delegate count is what counts at the convention and Sanders is behind by almost 400 pledged delegates.

-none

(1,884 posts)
91. She does not have the magic number of delegates needed.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

That is why Bernie is still in there and has not conceded.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
93. You don't know what you are talking about
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

The required number of pledged delegates was 2026 and she has more than enough with 2219. The overall number require is 2383 and she has 2800. It's over.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
99. No, Bernie has lost and Hillary has won.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jun 2016

There's no more states to vote and no more delegates to allocate. She has considerably more than enough delegates to win. 2761 out of the required 2383.

And I literally could not give less of a damn about whether somebody uses a personal server.

-none

(1,884 posts)
102. The FBI is sure interested in that server.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:11 PM
Jun 2016

Or do you think that is just an inquiry because of curiosity on someone's part?

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
112. Your indictment fairy nonsense has nothing to do with national security.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

You just wish the FBI would overturn election results you don't like.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
98. "He also was not making plans and setting things in motion to run in 2016 from years before either."
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jun 2016

That was part why Bernie lost. Winning an election takes planning. So does a successful "revolution."

And what could be more of a "coronation" than giving the nomination to somebody who didn't win it, like you obviously want to happen?

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
21. "arrogance" LOL
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jun 2016

Yeah, you'd know a bit about that, wouldn't you? The phrase: "Takes one to know one" comes to mind.

Never seen a bigger bunch of sore winners in my entire life.

Clinton may have won but MILLIONS voted for Sanders. We are not irrelevant. I know, I know.......it really chaps your hide that we exist. You'll just have to get over that.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
24. He has overplayed his hand at this point.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jun 2016

Her lead against Trump has picked up steam, it's expanding steadily and should enjoy another bump now that the primary season is complete.

I expect SBS will honor his words and campaign with enthusiasm for HRC to defeat Trump, but he would have had much more collateral to work with to advance his agenda if he would have negotiated a deal with her earlier, when his support was more solid and wide.

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
25. Let it go, Freddie.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

The lines are drawn, people have taken their sides, and as your post suggests it's all over except the crying.

Nobody will be swayed to one side or the other by any form of reasoning, so commentary that dismisses the candidate that isn't your candidate does nothing but make DU suck.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
26. Sanders' demands are things we need. He should never stop demanding them, and neither should we.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

You actually want those things, even if the Establishment calls them heresy.

 

justMYcause

(14 posts)
133. No Democrat I know
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jun 2016

wants wide open primary elections or same day registrations. This is an invitation for disaster. Republicans would be more than happy to screw the Democrats. It happens, it is fact.

A voter must make some effort too. Voting is a privilege, but I also see it as a responsibility. Get yourself registered... Independent is not a party, and it is not the Democratic party. I fail to see why they (Independents) should be able to waltz in and pick our Nominee. Get some skin in the game...

Some have spent a lifetime building the Democratic party. Mr Bernie Sanders, did not spend a lifetime building THIS party.

He lost.. if he wants to be a Democrat, he needs to act like one. Goodnight Senator, please turn out the lights on your way out.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
137. Congratulations!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jun 2016

A new personal record. 0 to Ignore in ten minutes and 1 post!

You've got a real talent fo rthis.

 

justMYcause

(14 posts)
161. I was a member here 10+ years ago maybe longer...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

but I forgot my logins so I made a new account. I came back here because I see a lot of outlandish statements about HRC, rigging elections, and mystical mathematical grandeur.

5000 posts does not make one a better DEMOCRAT.

Matt_R

(456 posts)
160. When you have conservatives joining the Democratic party because the republican party has become...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jun 2016

filled with extremists, you tend to get this isolationist thinking. The Democrat party is the big tent party, filled with centrist and conservatives as well as liberals and progressives. Get used to it.

procon

(15,805 posts)
29. Is he hanging on to keep his fans engaged to burn down the convention?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jun 2016

They like to talk about their "fight" and their "revolution", and the convention is their last shot at a national stage and getting their message in the limelight, so what will they do? Sanders and his followers have already secured permits to stage outside protests. He's the classic disgruntled loser, and who knows what he's capable of, or what his bunch is planning to do inside the venue where they'll have live, prime time TV coverage from all the networks and cable shows.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
35. Saying he was rejected by democratic voters is in bad taste, and like the media at large,
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jun 2016

is an effort to reframe an historic campaign that took a huge percentage of the democratic vote without taking a dime from Wall Street. So, um, its no surprise that Wall Street doesn't like this, and the big corporations that own our media certainly have a stake in defining Bernie's campaign as a loss and a failure on equal terms, but what is your stake in it?

Bernie is doing the one thing he still can with his campaign while he still has funding, and that's campaigning. No he can't win, but he can continue to get a message out that you won't hear at all once he no longer has a podium. You may not care about that message. I care deeply about it, and it won't be coming back around soon, so I hope he reaches whoever he can, especially the youth, because we need a better breed of politician going forward.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
70. Saying he's like "a WWII Japanese soldier hiding in the jungle" is even in WORSE EFFING TASTE.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016
But unfortunately Senator Sanders is refusing to acknowledge that he has lost, stubbornly continuing like a WWII Japanese soldier hiding in the jungle refusing to believe that their Emperor would surrender to the inferior Americans.


Seriously. Screw that...it's wrong on so many levels I wish I could "unread" it.
 

Sivart

(325 posts)
45. Trying to blame sanders for Clinton tacking to the right already???
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jun 2016

Man, this is going to be hilarious.

jamese777

(546 posts)
63. However she tacked
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jun 2016

Resonated with the Democratic Party's primary voters and caucus attendees. She beat the pants off her opponent by 3.7 million votes. 56% to 43% and 34 contests won to 23 is an ass-whupping.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
82. So in your fantasy world, where we have this free society, and the message isn't managed in any
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jun 2016

way by powerful interests, and all candidates "totally" have an even playing field, and people are just voting their consciences, and their consciences just happen to be leaning right, is that something worthy of celebration in your eyes? Is winning with an agenda that is pro-corporate okay so long as that agenda reeled in the win? What is the "we crushed your idealistic candidate into dust" argument supposed to achieve for you exactly? Why are almost no pro-Hillary posts saying "thank god we got Hillary because of issue one, issue two and issue three. They're just all "Wooooowoooo in your face suckers!"

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
69. I don't understamd how you can have been here 10 years
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jun 2016

but all your posts are in the last 90 days? I wouldn't even remember I had an account. I mean, I think I created a couple here and there way back, but I wouldn't be sure. V strange.

jamese777

(546 posts)
59. It Was A Landslide
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jun 2016

In modern day politics a ten point win is considered a landslide victory. Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders by 13 points (56% to 43%) in the popular vote. She won 34 contests to his 23 (60% to 40%). And she finished with a 387 delegate advantage in pledged delegates.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
89. She will track toward the RIGHT.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jun 2016

Which is where she came from in the first place.

Sanders has nothing to do with it.

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
150. I wonder what the general election winner take all delegate count would be
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jun 2016

Considering a general election candidate won California, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York. Without checking I think It'd be over 300.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
155. The states Hillary won in this primary would add up to 399 EVs in the general.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

Obviously there's no way this map would happen in a general. Any candidate who could win every state in a general that Hillary won in the primary would win pretty much everything. It would be a 1936 or 1984 level landslide.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
125. no, dont bother trying. at least we can identify those who are deaf and blind, cant think on
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jun 2016

their own. Most were tombstoned by skinner, and they will be again, just a matter of time

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
110. What a surprise. Another nasty Clintonite thread about how they need but don't need progressives.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jun 2016

And I STILL can't tell the Clintonites from Republicans. They insist that they are "Democrats", but they never support or advocate for any Democratic policy.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
123. she will beat Trump, but will find defeat in congress and world issues.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jun 2016

everyone will have her on ignore and Bill will just muck things up.

If she ignores Sanders, the Revolution goes into overdrive

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
147. At this point everyone sane on the left would never allow Trump anywhere near
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jun 2016

the oval office.

The majority of Sanders supporters will support Hillary, and there is probably a pretty large chunk of the right that will too, either by voting for Hillary or staying home. Sanders seems to be having a lot of trouble pivoting post voting, but fortunately, Hillary and Sanders are mostly divided by methodology, not ideas; she has excellent skills in making deals that work, his amendment king skills will come into play, and I suspect that things will work out better than most people expect them to...in time.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
153. "Rejected by Democratic voters"?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jun 2016

Seems to me he won almost half the states, and got quite a few votes. Those voters aren't "democratic"?

It's funny how even with the voting being over, so many people are still terrified when he gets a little media attention. What are they afraid of?

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
159. So why don't you just ignore it? You won. Isn't that good enough for you?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 07:36 AM
Jun 2016

Must you continue to antagonize Bernie's supporters? Your chosen candidate REQUIRES their votes to win after all.

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