There has been a resurgence of people insisting there is "no" nominee until the Convention votes...

[brooklynite]

Will they acknowledge that the Party and the Convention leadership recognize that Hillary Clinton is the nominee, and that the Clinton campaign will have the authority to decide who does and does not speak at the convention?

[bkkyosemite]

1. She is only the presumptive nominee not the nominee. The DNC has stated as much.

AP called it before CA and other states had even been counted which is totally not alright.

Bernie is still running his Presidential campaign. Ignore that but millions of people are not, including me.

[brooklynite]

6. Explain how Bernie will speak without Clinton's ok...

[Lil Missy]

10. And AP called it right. HRC trounced Sanders in CA.

Just because it was not on your timetable doesn't change the fact that she won.

[Lord Magus]

23. How the hell is that "not alright"?

The AP called it before CA had voted because Hillary won before CA had voted. They call a winner when somebody wins, no matter how early or how late that happens.

[roguevalley]

47. until she has 2382 pledged delegates she has no right. of course, the slag at the DNC and others

don't give a rat's ass about the rules she she probably will. Marginalize bernie and there will be shit on the fan. If you want those votes, you better treat people right or suffer the consequences.

[Buzz cook]

58. You don't do math do you.

The 2383 number is half of all delegates both pledged and super. To exclude super delegates from that total is dishonest or in your case ignorance.

Half of pledged delegates alone is 2026. Clinton has exceeded that number..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Do the math yourself. But have someone else check your numbers.

[Lord Magus]

61. You're the one who doesn't care about the rules and is trying to invent new ones.

There is no pledged delegates only rule. It's 2383 delegates, period.

[Sheepshank]

2. Attempting to delay reality by pretending.

Not a good sign. Denial in this case is futile and quite silly

[Hortensis]

39. Yes, and arguing it with people who are

still denying it at this point is also both. Let them be loyal or whatever it is to them until they're ready. It makes no difference.

[Trust Buster]

3. Some have not come to terms with Sanders' loss. But, that does not alter reality.

[Iliyah]

4. The Democratic Party will continue on it's path to win the 2016 election.

HRC is the leader of the path.

[CorkySt.Clair]

5. They're making their last stand before Monday

if you look at it the right way, the schaudenfreude has been marvelous.

[John Poet]

59. Why does Hillary look so fat in your sig graphic?

I know she isn't....

[Amaril]

60. Jury results

Why does Hillary look so fat in your sig graphic?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2205876

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

I guess it's back to sexist fat jokes for the Sanders supporters.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:54 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So tired of every argument being labeled sexist. Is it in poor taste? No question. But it isn't any more sexist than Chris Christie jokes.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: An entire thread of one nasty personal insult after another directed at Sanders supporters
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[CrowCityDem]

7. I guess Bernie people live on the flat earth.

[Lil Missy]

8. Clinton is the presumptive nominee. Only in Bernie land is the pretense that it's not decided.

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. Sadly, Sanders is (and his supporters, are) banking on a ...

,or a series of, unlikely event(s) occurring in order to realize their goal (i.e., a HRC indictment, the disclosure of a grave HRC illness, HRC getting hit by a meteor); but, isn't that consistent with his/their political "plan"/"agenda" (i.e., "We will have universal, single-payer healthcare, a $15.00 minimum wage, free college, money out of politics, and Wall-street brought under control, by POLITICAL REVOLUTION!!!)?

I am not mocking; but, as I've said before ... "if your plan starts with, 'if {insert unlikely/series of unlikely event(s) here}, it is not a plan ... it's a wish/fantasy."

[Thinkingabout]

43. Good point, woulda, shoulda, coulda.

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. I grew up with the phrase ...

"woulda, shoulda, coulda, all means, didn't." (thanks, Daddy 1SBM) ... and would have been embarrassed to offer as an explanation, "the system is rigged" (thanks Daddy 1SBM for that, too).

[Thinkingabout]

45. Yea, bet he did not settle for that story, same way at my house.

[CorkySt.Clair]

11. They will be really loud in Philly.

Have you heard about it?

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2201655



The aroma of patulli and farts is not to be missed.

[azurnoir]

14. True that and those interlopers won't have t

the air conditioned limo's, private jets, and luxury hotel rooms that real Democrat's are privileged if not entitled to have either - just their own sad little Hoover Vils







sort of

[azurnoir]

16. I know I know those silly Bernie supporters should have had the sense to go where

the real money is, huh? Instead though in Bernie world 200k is a "golden parachute" - less than Hillary makes for speaking engagement but ya know that's little folks for ya - maybe next time they won't over reach quite so badly

[azurnoir]

22. I know PoC voted overwhelmingly for Hillary are you saying PoC are poor?

we've been told differently here by a person of color

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. LOL ...

more disingenuous claptrap. That is NOT what the posters said ... he/she said that (paraphrasing), Bernie's support among the poor/working class is a myth.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/does-sanders-really-have-working-class-support.html

[azurnoir]

46. ah ya right ummmhmmm

on a 287 comment thread it might be hard to pick out

[1StrongBlackMan]

49. I'm sure that sounded clever as it was being typed; but, on a 288 comment thread ...

the wit got lost.

[Hekate]

29. Have you ever put on a convention? The organizers get room-bloc rates, and the attendees pay

....for their rooms at those slightly-reduced rates. Same with air fares and other transport. I'll be blown away if you can prove the DNC is giving all the Party delegates from all the states a free ride.

Bitter-enders are sad.

By the way, how's plans for protesting the Republican Convention coming along?

[MineralMan]

53. I know a couple of delegates from Minnesota.

They'll be putting the expenses on their credit cards. Not all convention delegates are part of the 1%, by any means. In fact, most aren't. Being part of history, on the other hand, is worth the cost.

[Hekate]

54. Pretty much as I suspected, MinMan, based on my time as a conference co-ordinator long ago.

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Sometimes I wonder at the paucity of some people's experience, I really do.

By the way, Happy Father's Day.

[Surya Gayatri]

52. Soooo sad..."just their own sad little Hoover Vils."

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. No. There will be a protest crowd that shows up to the convention ...

there always is, and always will be.

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. Don't get it/me twisted ...

I know there will be a (relatively) small number of convention protesters ... who will have no impact, other than, maybe, a couple of blogs talking about how terribly mistreated they were by the "establishment".

But that is what they were seeking, in the first place ... attention.

[bkkyosemite]

13. And pretty soon you will be all alone and then who will you discourage then

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. trump supporters ...

and those that think NOT voting for the Democratic Nominee is a prudent, principled stance.

[Codeine]

17. Everyone eventually chooses a hill on which to die.

Some people make that choice more poorly than others. And sometimes some make an outright goofy choice. This is one of those times.

[greatauntoftriplets]

18. It might amount to a hill of beans.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/worlds_largest_fart-in_planned_for_hillary_clintons_acceptance_speech_in_ph

[MFM008]

19. This happened rarely

I understand Kennedy took it to the convention against Carter
but that turned out badly, a lack of unity helped bring us Reagan.

[WhiteTara]

21. And Kennedy lost my respect completely.

[JoePhilly]

25. Dear Penthouse, I never thought the convention would happen to me.

[randome]

26. A contested liaison!

[JoePhilly]

27. I was working on my acceptance speech ... a speech no one would ...

... hear.

And that's when there was a knock at my hotel room door.

Confused ... I answered the door.

And there, in the hallway, were 700 of the hottest supper delegates I'd ever seen.

Needless to say, those super delegates spent the night satisfying every single one of my electoral fantasies.

[randome]

30. Oh, God! You should start a blog: "Electoral Fantasies".

Throw in some zombies and time travel and you'll make a million!

[JoePhilly]

31. Bwhahahahahahaha!!!

That's a great idea!

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. LOL ... That was funny.

[CorkySt.Clair]

50. Priceless!

[PJMcK]

28. Please, stop this. (n/t)

[Live and Learn]

32. Only if the party is willing to prove Bernie right (the system is rigged) and deny a YYUUUUGE

block of Democrats a voice and to lose their continuing support for the party in the future. If they think we don't matter, that is exactly what they should do. I can't wait to prove them wrong.

[immoderate]

34. Fuck, NO!

--imm

[brooklynite]

36. Good to know...how WILL Bernie get included in the speakers' program?

[Iliyah]

51. R E V O L U T I O N

[Orsino]

48. There is no nominee until the convention...

...when our presumptive nominee gets nominated. Why isn't that enough?

I know that campaigns are hard work, and stressful even on people who aren't involved...but if we're going to talk about accepting reality, it won't hurt to acknowledge that the convention was scheduled long in advance and deliberately far after all the voting, so that we will have the luxury of knowing who is likely to win before we put on our silly hats.

It'll all be okay. Sanders will throw his support to the nominee, who is wise enough that she'll make room for him to speak in Philly. She'll even co-opt bits of his message, because that's what a candidate who bears the greatest responsibility for uniting the party would do.

It'll all be okay. The presumptive nominee isn't threatened by the continuing existence of a parallel campaign, because that candidate is already pledged to support the eventual nominee.

It'll all be okay.

[leveymg]

55. There is no nominee until the Convention votes, just a presumptive candidate with presumptuous bots

Have you read the Party and Convention Rules? The Candidate doesn't control the convention or the rules. These people run the show, start to finish:

DNC Leadership

President of the United States Barack Obama Illinois
Vice President of the United States Joe Biden Delaware
Chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz Florida
Democratic Congressional Committee Chairman Congressman Ben Ray Lujan New Mexico

447 Members of the DNC

...includes 75 at-large members who are nominated by the Chairman and approved by the full DNC.

Executive Committee

64 members; oversees affairs of the party in between meetings of the full committee and meets four times a year.

Standing Committees

Rules and Bylaws - Co-chairs: Jim Roosevelt (MA) and Lorraine Miller (TX)

Credentials - Co-chairs: Karen Carter Peterson (LA) and Andrés W. López (PR)

Resolutions - Co-Chairs: Jim Zogby (DC) and Hilda Solis (CA)

BYLAWS
Adopted Pursuant to the Charter of the Democratic Party of the United States
ARTICLE ONE
Democratic National Convention
Section 1. The National Convention is the highest authority of the Democratic Party. subject to the
provisions of the Charter.
Section 2. The National Convention shall adopt permanent rules governing the conduct of its
business at the beginning of each Convention, and until the adoption of such permanent rules, the
Convention and the activities attendant thereto shall be governed by temporary rules set forth in the Call to
the National Convention.

Bottom-line: whomsoever controls the Rules Committee at the Convention, runs the show.

[pdsimdars]

56. Well, that's because they actually believe in the RULES of the DNC.

And those rules state that unless one candidate wins 59% of the PLEDGED delegates, there is no nominee and it will have to be decided AT THE CONVENTION.
I know it's hard for some to respect rules, especially since their leader doesn't seem to respect them, BUT those ARE THE RULES set out by the DNC.
Try not to ge too lost in fantasy.

[bettyellen]

57. Including the caucuses that exclude voters- but not the other rules which hurt them....

We get it- you want the losers to determine what the rules should have been. Okay then.