2016 Postmortem
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Will things change when Trump is overthrown; and someone like Mitten's steps in?
GOP wants anyone (Any ONE) to run against Hillary, other than The Donald.
Just sayin......
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This just in ...Romney's guy named RNC Rules Committee Chair
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/18/romney-ally-named-convention-rules-committee-chair/
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Another Romney guy is now named as co-chair of the Rules Committee
{MITT} Republicans Fill Crucial Posts Ahead of July Convention
Mickelson accepted the post amid reports this week of some delegates planning to block Donald Trump’s nomination.
If such efforts gain traction, decisions made by the Rules Committee during meetings before the convention could have a big impact on how things play out.
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Ron Kaufman, a longtime RNC committeeman from Massachusetts who is a Romney confidant, will serve as co-chairman of the Rules Committee.
Somethin's a happen'n
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GOP will usurp Trump | |
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It will be Hillary v Donald | |
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Both Conventions will be a Civil War zone | |
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Laser the Liquidatir has liquidated his own mind | |
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OKNancy
(41,832 posts)The Trump people would go ballistic.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)They have to usurp Trump; and there's tons of hints it is on the way.
Our nation is already a laughing stock he's this close.
The GOP may never recover.
Plus...if they are able to manipulate the Electoral..to prevent HRC from getting the magic number
Congress gets to pick the President
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)No matter how much they might want to get rid of Trump they lack any ability to do so.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Dont think so
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Trump has far too many delegates to take the nomination away from him.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)You, however, are likely to vanish once DU goes back to having rules.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)and that isn't likely. Anyway most of them are likely committed ("pledged" to a first-ballot vote for Trump.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Pledged delegates are required to vote for the candidate they represent on the first ballot. No matter how obsessed you are with this bizarre theory of Trump getting replaced at the convention, that doesn't change.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)moonscape
(5,436 posts)The Republicans have been hostage to the Tea Partiers, and now that they see what the TP crowd does, what do they have to lose?
They can stand for principle (dump Trump) or go along and be destroyed anyway, and more thoroughly.
If they dumped the Trump, they could have an outside chance of taking the Presidency (don't think so, but a lot can happen before November). As it is, they lose the Presidency and most likely the Senate.
What would the Trump people do? Go on a media rampage? Riot and burn in the streets?
With his soaring unfavorables, and needing to campaign in Texas to find kindred spirits, I wonder just how much support he has left to carry any of that out anyway.
TDale313
(7,822 posts)And the establishment Repubs and monied interests have already signaled if that's the case they're just fine with Hillary, tyvm. They'll leave their party to the crazies and continue the decades-long takeover of ours.
chwaliszewski
(1,528 posts)The GOP could be on its way out simply because the DNC is being hijacked by Wall St. Don't think it's possible? Think again. The Party of Lincoln used to be liberals until the switch was made. This is an interesting read about political parties changing their philosophy. http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,451 posts)The suggestion that the Trumpists would allow the nomination to be stolen from their guy without violence is not moored in reality.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,224 posts)Plan accordingly.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Planning on the basis of fantasy would be insane.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,224 posts)You and the Dems are going to get caught with your pants down.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,451 posts)Some of this aberrant nonsense that the GOP will dump Trump in the hope of fielding a more ostensibly electable candidate and risk the wrath of his unhinged acolytes is the motivated reasoning of some supporters of Hillary Clinton's vanquished opponents who want to see her defeated.
Let not your heart be troubled. Hillary Clinton will hand any Republican nominee for president his or her rancid ass.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)That when the republicans ditch trump we democrats will see the light and turn en mass to the logical candidate...Bernie!!
What will their reaction be when(if) Bernie supports Hillary.
Even more curious, if Hillary wins in a landslide, where do they go?
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)At the barest onf minimums there must be some sort of terpitude clause, ambiguous enough to allow the powers that be ...some sort of out
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)There is one and only one way the RNC can get rid of Trump and its simple and also nearly impossible.
The rules committee meets at the beginning of the convention to determine the rules for the convention on all kinds of things including how the delegates vote. They could institute a rule that effectively disqualifies Trump from the nomination. Something like, "to receive delegate votes, you have to have held an elected office as a Republican."
So, fine, they institute this rule. Simple right?
Slight problem.
For the rule to be accepted and put into force, a majority of the delegates to the convention have to approve it. That doesnt sound so bad right? Here is the problem, guess who has won 2/3rds of the delegates to the convention? Trump. And the people who are those delegates were selected by Trumps campaign for their loyalty to Trump.
For Trump to be pushed out, his own delegates would have to abandon him en masse. And we would likely hear that something like that was afoot long before the convention started.
No one would like that scenario more than me. I would camp out there just to watch it unfold. But it is extraordinarily unlikely.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And Mitt wouldn't be getting his ppl into position, for no reason.
We'll soon see
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And the odds are (given the nature of the beast and very recent manoeuvres) that Mitt is coming
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)If the emotions of enough Trump delegates are won over to the side that wants to get rid of him, they can.
Otherwise they can't.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Then ..the Donald will throw a national temper tantrum
And that's worth watching...also
Logical
(22,457 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And that's now at an end
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)He could cite a litany of reasons. For example, he says I have to bow out due to medical issues and I want all of you to know that I fully support X.
This scenario is plausible in my opinion. Donald gets what he wants (never believed he truly wants the job) and the RNC gets to pick a better candidate.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)he is for himself more than anything. The RNC approaches him and pitches this idea. He sells it to the public and he still retains a lot of power over the party without having to do much. He can get his crazy media idea off the ground sooner as well, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,224 posts)to run and wind up as a loser.
Between the GOP and his own ego, he will be gone.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,224 posts)Watch for his biggest one yet.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)That's not the same thing.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)musicblind
(4,562 posts)Remember? ....
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)You're right, he is the six million dollar man.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)pshaw
scscholar
(2,902 posts)They always stand against us. Stand against us.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,451 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)It's been tradition that between the Democrats and the Republicans that the party that is currently in power has their convention last. The last few conventions have only been a week apart ... though they have been as much a little over a month apart in the past.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)And holding the later convention is considered an advantage.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Of knowing what is currently
a mystery
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Quit pretending that it is.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)You just don't seem to realize it.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)The "Art of tge Deal" ...maker
Can Make
For handing his delegates over to a better contender
vintx
(1,748 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,451 posts)By my count the Clintons are 11-2 in their battles with the Repukes. I like them odds.
MFM008
(20,025 posts)into the steaming, stinking, fly covered pile that is Rump.
Frankenstein made this monster and they may be killed by it.
They need an EPIC loss that puts them in a major minority
and puts them in the same category as the WHIG party.
Eat it gop
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,139 posts).
There was something that deflated the elation of that event. I kind of think it was the unveiling of Sarah Palin.
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laserhaas
(7,805 posts)So much so
Nobody will pay attention...to his Robber Baron (racketeering) record
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Unless death or disaster strikes either candidate. The people have spoken.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Trump isn't going anywhere. Sorry.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Apparently they think that if the RNC decides to be completely undemocratic and somehow give the nomination to somebody other than the primary winner, the DNC will do the same and anoint Bernie as the nominee because...reasons?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Of our best is Clinton
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)and just anointing the losing candidate as the nominee.
tirebiter
(2,606 posts)water flows downhill and the political rivers are are flowing.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)for a first round victory, right?
Barring an implausible withdrawal, the RNC woukd have to change the rules to keep him out and doing that would blow up their party. They are screwed. They are stuck with trump.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)For them leaving the radicals of the tea-jad stranded and setting the ship on fire is a good thing
They don't want the party as it exists with it's infestations.
The rescue of what I will call refugee republicans is almost assured as the dems juggernaut has been triangulating just upwind.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)They would be better off just sitting out the 2016 election, letting Trump go down in flames, and then resuming control in 2020. Blowing up the party would be a huge risk, one that could put the tea-ha dists in control permanently
The Bush-Romney wing will just sit this one out. The less powerful ones will go through the motions of supporting Trump.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)into something that reaches a bit more to the right of dems to capture the republican center.
The NeoCons, Armitage, the Bushes... the list of people looking for haven in the NeoDems is startng to include 'traditional' republicans as well as what we once called movement republicans.
Such a thing will irrevocably change the nature of political alliances as well as enemies lists.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)is a matter of rules making per the ambiguity the rules provide.
Mitt wants to come and...obviously...any GOPr wants a run against the Hillary baggage machine
As is eveident by the placing of a Mittens man to be Chairman of the Rules Committee
In short order...we'll know...for sure
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)and votes needed for nomination. Trump has the nomination unless the unambiguous rules are unambiguously changed to take that away from him.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Because Romney wrote new rules last time...he intends to change once more...this time
You really believe the party of shut down the natiin isnt prepared to shut down Trump?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)They are stuck with him.
He would have to do something so colossally bad that his most loyal followers, i.e. his delegates, would go along with a rules change that would disqualify him.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And there are many other variables to consider.
Such as Trump really not wanting the job;
and this is all a show...for him to hand it over.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I'm also not pretending I know what is going on in Trumps head.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Is either qualified (expert)
Or unqualified (not an expert).
I..on the other hand...am...a expert on Pittens. And I've been telling ...everybody who would listen...that Romney is coming.
His 2 gal & pal becoming Co-Chairs of the Rules Committee.. most certainly is indicative
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Using math as a metaphor, it's arithmetic, not geometry or calculus.
But you have to read it.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And it looks like Christmas is also coming...early ..this yr
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)^^^^^ ^^^^^^
LiberalFighter
(53,536 posts)1) Trump is the nominee. Republicans refuse to vote for Trump.
2) RNC manipulate the rules to replace Trump. His supporters become enraged or just say the hell with it. See 3 below.
3) Trump drops out. RNC has to figure out who to nominate. Because it is late they are behind in fundraising and campaign organization.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And he owns Clear Channel (iHeart)
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Honestly, it would not be right. Republican voters overwhelmingly voted him as their nominee. To go with anyone else at this point is fascism. I hate the gop and everything they and trump stand for, but it was part of the democratic process of voting. Voting, for all of its issues, is the cornerstone of democracy and we have to adhere to it. He won the popular vote. The people have spoken and he needs to be their nominee.
And we need to work like hell to make sure that's all he will ever be.
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)the mess on their hands. I bet they wish they had super-delegates.
Mr Maru
(216 posts)Ryan is setting himself up to be "the great savior" in 2020. And then he can lose to HRC too.