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Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:00 AM

Is it beyond other non-Hispanic Democrat politicians to become fluent in Spanish ?

All credit to Tim Kaine for becoming fluent in Spanish, but he's being set apart just because he can speak the language.

Are there any others, perhaps amongst the rising stars ? You would think it'd be a no-brainer for an ambitious politician to make it their business to add Spanish to their abilities.

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Reply Is it beyond other non-Hispanic Democrat politicians to become fluent in Spanish ? (Original post)
OnDoutside Jun 2016 OP
yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #1
OnDoutside Jun 2016 #3
yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #6
Hortensis Jun 2016 #23
Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #2
OnDoutside Jun 2016 #4
B Calm Jun 2016 #5
OnDoutside Jun 2016 #8
B Calm Jun 2016 #11
LanternWaste Jun 2016 #12
OnDoutside Jun 2016 #18
treestar Jun 2016 #7
TheFarseer Jun 2016 #9
OnDoutside Jun 2016 #10
tazkcmo Jun 2016 #15
betsuni Jun 2016 #16
Post removed Jun 2016 #19
Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #13
OnDoutside Jun 2016 #20
book_worm Jun 2016 #14
DustyJoe Jun 2016 #17
OnDoutside Jun 2016 #21
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #22
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #24
BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #29
B Calm Jun 2016 #25
sarae Jun 2016 #28
Scootaloo Jun 2016 #26
BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #27
AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #30
TacoD Jun 2016 #31

Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:04 AM

1. Some really bright and good democratic people don't have the ability

 

to speak another language. I don't think they should be penalized. It can be an asset but to be negative or discount someone who is unable to speak Spanish is highly unfair.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:46 AM

3. I am singularly talking about it being an asset, my question is why aren't there more when

there's a very obvious dividend for themselves and the Party.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:10 AM

6. Sorry. I took it wrong.

 

Have a great hump day!!!

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:19 AM

23. I agree. I've wondered myself. Bernie is from

a very white state, but Hillary's been developing relations with Hispanic groups for years and became a senator for New York. It seems beyond likely that in future more will.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:42 AM

2. om sure a lot of politicans are busy and just dont have the time

 

Learning a new language takes a lot of time, and peope are busy with other things.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 06:48 AM

4. Yes, that's true but there's serious political advantage for them in doing so.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:00 AM

5. I'm more concerned where they stand on the issues than how

 

many languages they speak. Call me old fashion.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:44 AM

8. Is it beyond them to do both ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:29 AM

11. Which is more important? Would you support an anti choice candidate

 

because they speak two languages?

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Response to B Calm (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:36 AM

12. I've see no implication that any vote's are predicated wholly on a candidate's ability

I've see no implication that any vote's are predicated wholly on a candidate's ability to speak bilingually, merely that it is an additional and valuable tool.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:42 AM

18. Exactly, thank you.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:13 AM

7. lol Dubya claimed he could do it

I recall a hilarious Spanish language comedy web page - it purported to be the WH page in Spanish. It was hilarious.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:51 AM

9. First of all

All the credit in the world to people who learn a second language when they wouldn't really have to. But do I have to point out that learning a second language is hard? The wife and I picked up Rosetta Stone and tried to learn Spanish a lesson at a time every night for 2 months and it just wasn't clicking. So we gave up and just counted on everyone in Playa del Carmen speaking English. It's not as easy as picking up being able to speak Spanish at Target.

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:06 AM

10. I think people are missing the point here, there's an opportunity for the Democratic Party to make

great inroads into the Latino community, because of Trump. It's surprising that more senior Democrat leaders don't have a grasp of Spanish, when there is electoral advantage in it for them.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:11 AM

15. Speaking of language...

It's DemocratIC, as in "It's surprising that more senior Democratic leaders...".

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:26 AM

16. That bugged me too.

I would suggest: "Apart from Tim Kaine, why aren't there more non-Hispanic Democrats who speak Spanish?"

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:49 AM

13. Jeb Bush is fluent in Spanish. The Castro Brothers are not.

 

Discuss.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:45 AM

20. And neither is Ted Cruz !

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:51 AM

14. The younger you are the easier to learn another language--harder as you age

not impossible, but harder. I believe Kaine learned at an early age and kept up with it which is excellent.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:35 AM

17. immersion

Maybe a mandatory internship for all lawmakers in mexican government to immerse themselves in hispanic culture and language is needed in order to serve the hispanic constituency ? /tongueincheeck/

Then vietnamese, chinese, farsi, korean et al.

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Response to DustyJoe (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:45 AM

21. How would they get over the wall ???

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:53 AM

22. This made me think of Bloomberg and his Spanish

 

It was literally the only good part of his 'rule'

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:21 AM

24. heck it was beyond Julian Castro to become fluent in Spanish. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:38 PM

29. Julian Castro: "...being fluent in Spanish does not define whether or not you're Latino."

And he's right about that. Fact remains, he is Latino and part of the largest Latino group within the Hispanic group - Mexican-American.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/hud-secretary-julian-castro-on-speaking-spanish-490886723833

Also remember, that during the time he grew up - Reagan's era - in the 1980's, speaking Spanish was not an asset. In fact, it was seen as a liability and frowned upon unless you were of the Anglo-American persuasion. I can understand why his mother didn't want to raise her twin Mexican-American sons with Spanish as their first language. The Hispanic community understands that, too.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:09 PM

25. What do we know about Julia Castro? What's his stance on abortion?

 

Granted he is a Latino and that is a huge plus, but we know nothing on his stances on key issues.

For a real eye opener, click here.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Julian_Castro.htm

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Response to B Calm (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:30 PM

28. Thanks for the link, I haven't seen it before.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:21 PM

26. The older you get, the more difficult it is to learn a new language

 

And even if you learn the language, fluency is a pretty variable thing.

While it's certainly a desirable skill, particularly in politics, achieving it can be kind of difficult, individual by individual.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:28 PM

27. Plenty of Latino-Americans who don't speak Spanish very well or at all. If by rising star you mean

Julian Castro, he was raised in the time when most Mexican-American families didn't teach their children Spanish and, instead, opted to adopt the language of their country - which was America and American-English - because of the negative stigma placed on Spanish-speaking Latinos in the 1980's. I know quite a few Latinos - with accents, too! - who can't speak Spanish at all!

But it's never a bad move to want to be bilingual.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:44 PM

30. I have a minor in Hispanic studies

 

And I can assure it is very hard to learn a second language. You have to put your heart and soul into it for years. It is very hard to do casually.

Was almost as hard as computer programming.

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Response to OnDoutside (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:59 PM

31. Democratic is the adjective. Using "Democrat" as an adjective is a right-wing rhetorical tactic.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

ETA: Must copy and paste URL, as parentheses break DU's linking function

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