2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn the last 20 years, the Republicans spent close to 50 million trying to get the Clintons.
And guess what they got? Nothing!
Nuff said!
apcalc
(4,465 posts)PJMcK
(22,050 posts)The Clintons present an interesting puzzle with only one of two scenarios being true.
1. Bill and Hillary Clinton are corrupt to the core and have engaged not only in every one of the plots that the Republicans and their media mouthpieces have espoused but also in other nefarious plots that have yet to come to light. They have the most brilliant minds and they've been able to always cover their tracks such that they will never be caught for anything serious.
==== OR ====
2. Bill and Hillary Clinton are typical politicians who have had to make compromises in their decision-making to succeed but they've led relatively honest lives in their public service. The Republicans hate them because, for the most part, the Clintons' policies are good for the American people and not for the Republicans' wealthy elite.
I won't tell you which I believe to be true. (wink)
But I will tell you that I'll be voting a straight Democratic ticket on November 8th!
OnDoutside
(19,972 posts)niyad
(113,576 posts)that was certainly worth, to them, spending 50 million of OUR money.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)You can't buy that kind of media coverage for that price.
Hekate
(90,824 posts)Hekate
(90,824 posts)liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)hertopos
(833 posts)gordianot
(15,245 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And I would postulate that is because they are the most effective Democrats to serve in office since LBJ.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)and continuously throughout the primaries, the Clintons know which closets hold their enemies' skeletons and where these same adversaries buried the bodies - and have no qualms using these aces in order to get things done.
Nothing motivates Republicans more than FEAR.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Richard Mellon Scaif and others. Scaif's Judicial Watch is continued by the foundation or trust he left to carry on after he was dead, churning out one -gate after another, each chosen to provide endless opportunities for "freedom of information" requests and phony lawsuits, opportunities for subpoenas, promises of indictments any day, etc., in order to keep each phony scandal going for years.
22 years of this so far and, all but an occasional excursion to "prove" they're not devoted to the Clintons, devoted to the Clintons. 42 professional-level staffers plus budget to keep them operating at a national level.
Toss in the related Heritage Foundation, which devotes considerable effort to this ongoing project of taking down the seemingly unconquerable Hillary.
That's just Scaif/Judicial Watch/Heritage. I'd love to see an estimate of what the entire private billionaire and corporate effort to destroy first the Clintons and now mostly Hillary costs each year.
At some point didn't it lose purpose, become frivolous? No one person can be such a threat all by herself that stopping her justifies that kind of money. They helped her lose to Obama but just got Obama in exchange. And yet the industry continues to churn out lawsuits and paychecks. Truly bizarre, and just a tiny indicator of the enormous amount of our national wealth that has been funneled to the few.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's play money to them. They don't inhabit the real world.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)and run by those as Newt Gingrich who was having his own affairs. They don't have anything to show but their lies and bill for their "investigations".
brush
(53,871 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)SUCKERS!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And there is an ongoing FBI criminal investigation into our Presidential nominee, which was started as a result of republican hunting.
I wouldn't say they got nothing. We aren't out of the woods yet.
trumad
(41,692 posts)They got nothing.
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)with a 66% approval rating.....higher than Obama's is now, so I wouldn't say they got their money's worth there. As far as an indictment on the email server business, never gonna happen.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)They definitely are not winning this fight . . .
Brother Buzz
(36,466 posts)and the entire right-wing echo machine injected billions trying to topple the Clintons.
randr
(12,415 posts)CaptainSensible
(35 posts)If suggest that a sizeable "in-kind" principal payment is inevitably expected in short order. No?
Imagine the most devastating and summary loss a political party has ever endured on November 8, 2016. Widespread loss, shame, embarrassment, blame, inner turmoil and introspection proliferates fueled by quick-turn "snitching" and threats of disclosure of secrets in exchange for exoneration and jobs. Any job.
If not, try it. You'll like it.
niyad
(113,576 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)The more attention you give something, the stronger it gets. They made the Clintons ultra famous and turned them in to heroes of the Democratic Party.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)UNLESS we GOTV and handle those down ballot races.
CaptainSensible
(35 posts)Strangely enough, she is actually well-liked by Congress and the Senate and typically enjoys decent cooperation in that context. I've heard. They are afterall past colleagues. But as POTUS, who knows.
I've often thought about how Sanders would fare in that arena. A socialist. I think about the wholesale obstruction by these assists fit practically every single bill presented under Obama, a black POTUS (SHUDDER). I honestly believe that Sanders would have been effectively in nowheremanville. Paralyzed. Frozen out.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Yours and mine. Not their own. All for partisan bullshit. Hate those bastards.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...Hillary's low trust poll numbers. They probably think it was well worth your money.
Lance Bass esquire
(671 posts)Gotta love those whacky Republicans
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)"Keepin' It Dumb 2016!"
pansypoo53219
(20,997 posts)RogueTrooper
(4,665 posts)They have made a fair amount of that money back bilking their supporters.: If you take into account the DVDs, Books & Videos (as it goes back that long) they have sold off the back of these "scandals".
trumad
(41,692 posts)It's BS.
RogueTrooper
(4,665 posts)I should only post after my second or third coffee
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)TUESDAY, MAR 12, 2002 04:09 PM PST
Kenneth Starrs $70 million bag of garbage
The independent counsel's pathetic final report reveals what a travesty the right wing's get-Clinton crusade was.
Of course, its not just the expense that rankles. Congress and the Clinton administration were paralyzed by the Starr investigation and by impeachment for almost two years crucial years during which the nation failed to use a budget surplus to solve pressing problems, while the al-Qaida terror network grew stronger. Its hard not to come away from the Ray report saddened by the colossal waste of time and money, and the reports Whitewater Part 2 isnt likely to make that feeling go away.