Bernie likes to tell the rich "Enough is enough. You can't have it all." Well, same for you Bernie.

[RBInMaine]

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The loser does NOT get to dictate every point in the platform. That simply isn't going to happen. Bernie has already gotten a heck of lot of what he wants. So here's the message to Bernie:

No Bernie, you do not get it all. Your expectations need to be realistic. You have already blown a good deal of your influence and it is waning by the moment. Warren is campaigning with Hillary. Your one Senate backer Merkley has endorsed Hillary. If you want to have influence, be happy with ALL you have gotten, get aboard, endorse, and start going after Trumpenstein. You have been welcomed into the party, and now we welcome you to the general election and the paramount objective of beating the subhuman racist monster who is Trump.

Some like to say Tim Kaine is "boring." Well, this needlessly prolonged thing that Bernie is doing is getting boring, and it sure as heck isn't serving him well at all.

Bernie, enough is enough.

[Orsino]

1. Doesn't matter. We have basic unmet needs...

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...and if we can't have it all now we need to be keeping track of the claimed reasons why not. Some of the things Sanders is still fighting for aren't just nice-to-haves; for the individuals who need them they are requirements.

What the Establishment says is "enough" is never, ever going to be enough.

[RBInMaine]

4. The platform is the most progressive in recent memory. No one gets perfection. That is life.

[GummyBearz]

7. Most progressive in recent memory??

Are you 18? Or do you just have an 10 year long memory?

[pnwmom]

37. Which platform since 1972 has been more progressive?

The 1972 platform that lost by 49 states?

[brush]

40. Let's be real. The platform is a nice exercise but it gets filed after the convention and is . . .

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mentioned after the election.

[Orsino]

13. The platform has not been finalized.

And even when it has been, the hard work of being a citizen does not end. We need to make the platform better, and we need to keep our candidates and office-holders focused on the things we need done.

[synergie]

18. How about less focus on a platform and more focus on actually raising funds and supporting

the candidates that seek office, since they actually effect change and the platform is essentially meaningless when it comes to actually effecting change?

[eShirl]

30. how about both

[lapucelle]

34. If you want to keep track of the claimed reasons "why not"

here's a great place to start.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/72569-sanders-withdraws-single-payer-amendment-

[Exilednight]

2. I'm sure he'll stop by and read it. this is the equivalent of me penning a letter to

Obama and sending it to the North Pole.

[RBInMaine]

3. It's making a point. I'm sorry you don't like the point. But it is a very fair one.

[phleshdef]

5. Actually its a stretch and pretty fucking lame. You should try again and do better.

[RBInMaine]

8. It was obviously "unlame" enough to get your attention. Thank you.

[JudyM]

16. And Bernie obviously still has enough power to irk you.

But thank you for graciously welcoming him into the party, that was sporting of you.

[phleshdef]

35. Thats stupid. I pay attention to lame shit all the time.

I wouldn't be reading half of DU otherwise. All this petty bullshit passes the time.

[Vinca]

6. Why are you so obsessed about someone who isn't the nominee???

[RBInMaine]

11. Who is "obsessed"? These are very important issues that we have been discussing a lot. Further,

we are trying to move into the general election against Trump. Sanders was the second-place finisher and still wields influence. In my view what he is doing has moved into the realm of unrealistic and counter-productive behavior that isn't serving himself, his supporters, or the goal of beating Trump well at all. These are very timely and fair issues. Sorry if you don't like it, but that's what it is.

[SCantiGOP]

41. What was your reason for posting this?

Unnecessarily divisive and mean-spirited. Accomplishes nothing but dividing Democrats when we should be uniting.

[Lil Missy]

49. That describes Bernie to a t.

[JudyM]

20. Because he is not bending the knee.

[bettyellen]

43. All these fantasy and sci-fi references.... Well they say something. LOL.

[RAFisher]

9. I voted for Bernie but really haven't paid much attention to him in weeks

I find it funny how much the anti-Bernie people still pay attention to him.

[RBInMaine]

12. We have to pay attention because he still wields some influence and we need a united front. Also,

the convention is coming. We need a strong convention and a very united message. This is a very important and timely set of issues.

[JudyM]

23. We need a united front after the convention. The before is for defining what will be *voted* on.

[bigwillq]

15. .....

[BlueCaliDem]

10. You can say this again and again, but Sanders and his staunch supporters will either dismiss the

reasonable and sane argument and/or attack you for it.

Fact remains, you are SPOT ON. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows to the winner goes the spoils, and I'm certain that had Sanders been the winner and Hillary had been acting the way he is doing now, afterward, his supporters would be telling us the very same thing you're trying to convey.

[JudyM]

25. May I ask what you think the proposals would be that Hillary would be fighting to get into the

platform if as you postulate, the roles were reversed?? What are the principles that she would be standing for that Sanders would be opposing?

[BlueCaliDem]

31. Hillary wouldn't have. Period. She never dictated what she wanted when Sen. Obama won the nom. All

she did was ASK if he would help her retire her campaign debt - according to Howard Fineman who said this on Hardball just a few months ago. That's it. Because she, like everyone else, knows that the loser doesn't dictate. They ask. Politely.

[JudyM]

32. Kind of missing the point. But whatever.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. I know what your point was attempting to achieve, and I wasn't playing. I decided to just

give you a refresher of historical precedence as the answer to your inquiries. But, whatever.

[DemonGoddess]

29. ^^^This!!!

[BlueCaliDem]

39. Thanks, DG!

[KansDem]

14. "The loser does NOT get to dictate every point in the platform."

Just the points that make sense for the betterment of the Commonweal.

[synergie]

21. No, actually that's not how that works, also perhaps if he were less busy dictating things

and trying to win at something, anything, he might realize that the points that are already there actually do what he claims is his intent?

Learning what the platform actually says would be a good start, it seems all he's interested in is looking like he's doing something and winning something.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

17. If you believed what you're posting, you would have no need to post it.

If he's of no consequence, then by all means, ignore him.

[synergie]

22. That's a rather silly argument.

[AgingAmerican]

19. Eventually you will get past it

[Eric J in MN]

24. Bernie Sanders has gotten things in the Democratic Platform draft,

...and maybe he should be satisfied that it's progressive enough.

But he's gotten nothing from Hillary Clinton in terms of her compromising on a policy issue. Of course, she won't change all of her positions. But she could say on one issue, that if Congress passes his plan instead of her plan, she'll sign the bill. She said that during a debate about the minimum wage. She could say that about another issue in the post-primaries period.

[villager]

26. Ah, so this is really about your Tim Kaine advocacy. nt

[Squinch]

27. Who?

[Gothmog]

33. Agreed

Sanders has gotten all that he is going to get

[bobthedrummer]

36. All power to The People-like our Constitution says. Not bullshit rhetoric anymore. n/t

[Lord Magus]

44. The people had the choice to make Bernie the nominee. We declined. -nt-

[eastwestdem]

42. Agreed!! nt

[Urchin]

45. Bernie was just a little ahead of his time

As older middle-class asset owning voters (being asset owners, they want to keep the financial bubble inflated, so a candidate who takes Wall Street money is what they want) grow old and pass away . . .

And as the proportion of non-asset owning victims (especially younger people) of the financial bubble grows . . .

And as the economy continues to go nowhere or likely down . . .

Then you'll see Sanders type candidates sweep all elections.

Sanders platform is the future: four years, eight at most.

[aikoaiko]

46. What's your rush?

Chillax. There's plenty of time.

[Martin Eden]

47. The rich want it for themselves. Bernie wants it for people in need.

So, you're really saying "enough is enough" to people who can't afford an education or health care.

Here's what I say to people who try to stifle the progressive movement and settle for less:
Enough is enough -- you're part of the problem, not the solution.

[MadBadger]

48. Since when has Bernie ever been realistic?