Politico: Sanders booed by House Democrats

[George II]

(posted without comment)

Lawmakers press Sanders during a tense question-and-answer session on whether he would ultimately endorse Clinton and help foster party unity.

By Heather Caygle and Seung Min Kim

07/06/16 10:49 AM EDT, Updated 07/06/16 11:05 AM EDT

Sen. Bernie Sanders is still talking like a guy who's running for president. But frustrated House Democrats — who booed him at one point during a morning meeting — say it's time to stop.

With the Democratic convention just weeks away, Sanders still hasn't endorsed one-time rival Hillary Clinton and dodged questions about when he would during a tense meeting Wednesday morning with House Democrats.

"It was frustrating because he's squandering the movement he built with a self-obsession that was totally on display," said one senior Democrat.

After delivering his opening remarks — which touched on Sanders’ favorite issues including campaign finance, Wall Street reform and trade — lawmakers inside the meeting pressed Sanders during a tense question-and-answer session on whether he would ultimately endorse Clinton and help foster party unity.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/bernie-sanders-booed-house-democrats-225161#ixzz4DdvgZTp2

[MineralMan]

1. Weird story, I think.

I haven't heard anything about this from any other source. Seems strange to me, somehow.

ETA: I Googled this, and did find some other sources, including the LA Times. Based on my search, I wonder what Sanders is thinking, really. This makes no sense at all. Elections are ALL about winning. He seems detached from the reality of the challenge Clinton is facing and stuck on his own agenda.

[HumanityExperiment]

15. interesting...

'Elections are ALL about winning.'

I disagree, elections are about governance and issues, to disregard good governance and issues just to 'win' makes for the exact opposite of good governance and dedication to issues

[George II]

16. A politician can't govern or shape issues if not elected....

...when I was a young boy I asked my father what a politician's most important job was.

He said, simply, "to get elected", then added "if one doesn't get elected one can't do very much".

That was sixty years ago, I'll never forget it.

[HumanityExperiment]

28. MLK wasn't elected but he 'shaped issue' and did 'very much'

he's just one example....

seems you may have forgotten that...

[DonViejo]

42. MLK wasn't a politician, but rather,...

an ordained minister and one of the greatest moral voices in the history of the U.S.

[HumanityExperiment]

51. another example...

Harriet Tubman

we could on and on with this 'back and forth' but I believe my point is well made that 'if one doesn't get elected one can't do very much' is bunk...

[MineralMan]

78. Harriet Tubman could not even vote.

Yes, people who do not seek office can still have a large impact. Once you run, though, you run to win that office. Bernie Sanders has run and won a number of times, and still holds a seat in the Senate. He will not, however, be the Democratic nominee for President, and must recognize that at this point.

[HumanityExperiment]

89. interesting...

you posted this:
'I wonder what Sanders is thinking, really. This makes no sense at all. Elections are ALL about winning. He seems detached from the reality of the challenge Clinton is facing and stuck on his own agenda.'

it's in the very article in the OP

"Sanders also stunned some of the Democrats in attendance when he told them that winning elections wasn't the only thing they should focus on."

"The goal isn't to win elections, the goal is to transform America," Sanders said at one point, according to multiple lawmakers and aides in the room.
Some Democrats booed Sanders for that line, which plays better on the campaign trail than in front of a roomful of elected officials.
House Democrats overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton during the presidential primary fight, so it was not surprising that Sanders got a cool reception from them."

"Sanders complained about the "super delegate" process used during the primaries. "One person is starting with 900 delegates before anyone even votes," Sanders said. The Vermont socialist and his supporters have been upset about the issue for months."

"The senator also talked about his outstanding issues with the party's platform, particularly when it comes to trade."

“What he said very clearly is we’ve got to beat Trump and the way he believes we’re “What he said very clearly is we’ve got to beat Trump and the way he believes we’re going to do it is by having a commitment to an agenda that excites people, including the younger people. And he’s working on that."

and there is this.. to better 'answer' your 'point'

For his part, Sanders said he had a basic message for House Democrats.
“My message was a simple message: We have got to fight for the needs of the middle class and working families of this country,” Sanders said as he left the caucus meeting. “We got to get people involved in the political process, we got to get a large voter turnout, and if we have a larger voter turnout, Democrats will regain control of the Senate and I believe they’re gonna take the House back.”
Sanders also weighed in at a press conference on the FBI's decision not to recommend charges against Clinton for sending classified information over her private servers as secretary of State.
"I think you’ve heard me say from day one that there is a process in terms of the investigation regarding Secretary Clinton and the emails," Sanders said. "Yesterday was an important part of that process. Now we wait to hear from the Justice Department."

[George II]

146. "One person is starting with 900 delegates before anyone even votes....."

Shows how detached he has been throughout this entire process.

Does he not realize that there are only 714 superdelegates? So who were those other 186 delegates?

[HumanityExperiment]

151. LMAO

oh ok... making a mistake... it's ok for HRC but not same deference given to Bernie, got it

the point still stands, what is democratic about having SDs pledge BEFORE a single primary vote is cast... exactly what is DNC stating by allowing SDs pledge BEFORE a single DEM voter casts their vote?

[George II]

62. Going back to your post to which I replied, how much governance did MLK do?

[HumanityExperiment]

68. does MLK's leadership within a protest movement count...

...in how you define 'governance'?

dependent on that answer would matter in how I would proceed to answering your comment here

[George II]

69. Sorry, I think you're drifting off topic.

[MineralMan]

77. I don't believe he ever ran for office.

You can't ever lose if you don't run. Nor can you win, but standing outside of the political race, you can certainly raise issues.

[Demsrule86]

160. You still required Johnson to change the laws.

Out first job is to get elected. There can be no progressive movement of any sort under Trump.

[HumanityExperiment]

164. movements scare any elected official, regardless of party affiliation...

An engaged and focused movement can make ANY elected official act... human history validates that

[Demsrule86]

166. I am all for movements in general

But not if they threaten an election as consequential as 2016. No progressive movement can survive a Trump presidency and the thirty-year fallout from bad policy (more wars, economic chaos ) and the loss of the Supreme Court.

[Hortensis]

172. Excellent but horrifying statement of consequences.

[Demsrule86]

201. The consequences of a Trump president would be dire to say the least.

I do not assume we will beat Trump easily...maybe we will maybe we won't. I am prepared for a fight to elect Hillary because hate sells. I am a Hillary volunteer and look forward to making sure Ohio gets to vote...we always have dirty tricks in this state under a GOP governor. We have had some court victories, but we do have an ID law now...so we will be getting people to the polls and registering voters. I know because in my town is in Trumbull country (Democratic area)and we have lost all of out precincts except for one location with a parking lot that holds 30 cars maybe that part of the GOP effort will be causing long lines in Democratic areas by shutting down precincts. I will be in Youngstown or Cleveland passing out water on election day or hot drinks as is needed...disgusting and disgraceful bu this is what we face. Honestly, I don't care what the Dem platform states (do we even know what it said in prior election years?). I simply want to unite and defeat the greatest threat to our country ever...Donald Trump.

[Hortensis]

202. Ohio. I envy your efforts for mattering so much,

at least, but your post is far too realistic for comfort. "Hate sells." There's a run on hate these days.

Trump still could win, and with him people like the Koch alliance. They are far too clever not to find ways to use Trump to their ends. He has already promised to appoint justices from the list provided by the Heritage Foundation, and their operatives would be experts in schmoozing and debasing themselves as needed.

We'll win this one almost certainly, in spite of election theft. I think. People like the Kochs may well have decided to focus on more definitive methods than influencing minds.

[Demsrule86]

203. I think our chances are very good.

But we have seen some violent episodes which will certainly ramp up the fear in the electorate...we must be prepared to fight hard. Sorry about the terrible grammar and spelling...obviously spell check was not my friend!

[Hortensis]

204. Yes, fear serves the darkness.

Btw, didn't notice whatever. Message so much more interesting than the whatever.

[HumanityExperiment]

183. the only folks feeling 'threatened' are establishment folks...

principles are always consequential, regardless of election cycle

liberal/progressive ideology will always survive individual(s) and 'election cycles', this is validated throughout human history in terms of democracy context

what you're attempting to do is use 'fear extortion' to suspend one's principles to get a 'win' regardless of principle... I don't accept that premise and neither should you, let alone should you be pushing that narrative

[Demsrule86]

200. I disagree.

Trump is a real danger...and I put his defeat ahead of any movement ...this is an election year. We need to elect Hillary Clinton- our Democratic nominee. No progressive movement will survive a Trump presidency. He would pack the courts and enact policy that would be difficult to end as Reagan did. We still suffer the consequences of Reagan to this day. Trump literally threatens the lives of the American people;this includes women, LGBT, Immigrants, Muslims ET AL ...I have no greater priority this year than trouncing Trump...I will look at movement politics on January 21st, 2017.

[MineralMan]

17. Elections are all about selecting our leadership.

Those who win become the leaders. Therefore, elections are all about winning and who wins. Losers do not gain the offices, and thus will not contribute to governance.

We vote for candidates who come the closest to our own opinions about governance and issues. Those who are not candidates on our ballots cannot receive our votes. Primary elections are for determining who the winners are for the various parties. General elections are about who the real winners actually are and who will hold office.

In the end, winning is the only goal. Elections are about choosing those who will govern. Their issues are why we vote for them or against them.

Simple.

[HumanityExperiment]

26. interesting...

'He seems detached from the reality of the challenge Clinton is facing and stuck on his own agenda'

Care to defend that comment using your most recent reply?

What 'agenda' do you specifically refer to?

How is Bernie 'detached from reality'?

To an outside observer it would look like a massive attempt by you to marginalize / minimize what Bernie has done this primary cycle

[MineralMan]

31. I think you are overstating my capabilities.

I'm not capable of marginalize or minimize anything. I'm just a poster on a relatively obscure internet forum. Nothing I write is massive in any way. It's just musing in the morning.

However, I do not believe you are reading my post above carefully enough. You appear to have misunderstood what I wrote.

[HumanityExperiment]

34. interesting...

I'm merely pointing out what you have replied/posted

care to reply to my specific point as you specifically posted about Bernie or no?

[romana]

39. Then why

Then why did he complain so much about "rigged elections'" superdelegates, and closed primaries? I think he changes his narrative when it suits him, just like any politician. It was about winning there for awhile, there's no denying that. Now that he's lost, he's trying to change the narrative. That's fine for him to do it, because that's what politicians do, but let's not pretend he wasn't in this to win until he couldn't.

[HumanityExperiment]

50. 'complain'

advocating for reform is now 'complaining' got it...

I would guess that's why he's doing this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2239531

[CrowCityDem]

56. He's only trying to 'regorm' the parts that didn't work for him. Therefore, yes, it's 'complaining'.

[HumanityExperiment]

71. you're entitled to your own perception....

n/t

[CrowCityDem]

83. 'Perception'? When did he start fighting to get rid of caucuses? It's always been what hurt him.

He doesn't seem to care at all about anything that worked to his advantage, but wasn't fair. That's self-serving, and completely at odds with the fairy tale he's trying to spin about wanting to 'save' the party. Bull. He wants to change things so he can say he would have won if the new rules were in place when he ran.

[HumanityExperiment]

90. here ya go...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2240643

[CrowCityDem]

94. All I see is, "Me me me me me." Winning is absolutely more important than getting 100% of your ideas

[HumanityExperiment]

99. WOW...

interesting perspective you have within that bubble you're creating there

[CrowCityDem]

104. Bernie's the one who said winning isn't the most important thing...

Even thought it's the only thing that lets anyone do a single thing on his agenda for making America great again.... whoops, I mean fostering the revolution.

[romana]

57. Yes complain

All his "reforms" we're about selectively getting more votes for himself because he was losing the primary and he wanted to win. If he was truly about reform and voting rights, he'd be attacking the people making it harder to vote (the GOP), not the person beating him in the primary from the party that supports voting rights. He'd want undemocratic caucuses removed, too, but he didn't say a word about them, except to praise them. It's reform, but opportunistic reform rather than sincere reform, IMO.

[Armstead]

63. He personally won't gain by any reforms. It's wrong to call it "opportunistic"

He is not going to run again, and he knows the deck is already stacked against him this year. So he has nothing personally to gain by advocating for reform.

That's a silly meme.

[HumanityExperiment]

72. you're entitled to your own perception....

n/t

[AgadorSparticus]

155. So are you. But then, aren't we all?

[HumanityExperiment]

163. but, you're not entitled to your own facts

n/t

[JTFrog]

174. Neither are you.

Why ignore the fact that not a single person here is agreeing with you? Maybe because most of us at DU agree with DU's core principles:

Core principles
Democratic Underground is an online community for friendly, politically liberal people who understand the importance of working together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government.

You are entitled to believe that winning elections isn't important. So is Bernie. But, sorry, that doesn't make it fact. And it doesn't align with the purpose of this forum.

[HumanityExperiment]

184. principles

principles are always consequential, regardless of election cycle

liberal/progressive ideology will always survive individual(s) and 'election cycles', this is validated throughout human history in terms of democracy context

use of 'fear extortion' to suspend one's principles for a vote to get a 'win' regardless of principle is never a valid premise, this is why the DEM slide continues right... I don't accept that premise and neither should you

There is such a strong narrative here on DU lately that concerns suspending one's principles to garner a vote because the other side has 'that guy'... but when folks ask and point out issue of their candidate and not the 'other guy' that conversation is shut down, it's actively suppressed and dismissed

Does 'core principles' allow for principled stances and discussion concerning the DEM party and current governance?

[AgadorSparticus]

187. Here's the problem with that: many here think they are the only one with principles.

One thing I have learned is that when you have a real discussion with folks, overwhelmingly, we all want the same things. We just disagree on how to go about it. But it doesn't mean that the "other" is without principles.

[AgadorSparticus]

178. Neither are you.

[HumanityExperiment]

185. feel free to debate me concerning the facts...

n/t

[MaggieD]

79. Exactly - he is a politician like any other

And that should be more than obvious from his behavior. Very similar to the shtick that even though he has been in congress for 30 years he's not part of the establishment. LOL - sure, right.

No, he is actually the quintessential politician. But very good at pretending to be pure.

[BobbyDrake]

58. GOVERNING is about "governance and issues." But you need to WIN election first.

FFS, this is Civics 101 basics here, how do so many people not get it?

[HumanityExperiment]

65. Tell that to MLK and all those other non elected social justice warriors throughout history...

...that directly impacted 'governance and issues'

[BobbyDrake]

67. They influenced social movements, which is different.

You're trying to equate two things that are not the same.

[HumanityExperiment]

70. 'influenced' or did MLK not also lead that social movement?

n/t

[BobbyDrake]

75. You're nitpicking to make up for a lack of argument. Good day. nt

[bluedye33139]

126. raising the tone

It was all about raising the tone, and being better than everyone else, and giving the same speech over and over, and calling attention to himself, and talking and talking and talking, and not winning. No, it was not about winning elections. It was about, um, other things, inexplicable.

[workinclasszero]

188. He was a one man party for decades

Old habits are hard to break.

[MohRokTah]

2. BRAVO HOUSE DEMOCRATS!!!!!

[BobbyDrake]

61. +1! nt

[tallahasseedem]

143. +1

[AgadorSparticus]

157. +1,000

[Night Watchman]

165. +infinity

[DURHAM D]

3. and as regards the emails -

He is "waiting to hear from the Justice department" ????

[MoonRiver]

8. Hope springs eternal!

[MineralMan]

10. He can't be still thinking that there will be an indictment...

He just can't. If he is, then he needs to go home to Vermont for a long rest.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Do you think he was hoping for one all along?

[MineralMan]

25. Actually, I do.

I didn't believe that for a while, but he does seem to be holding out some sort of hope that he will become the Democratic nominee, even now. The only circumstance that could lead to that would be a Clinton withdrawal. The only think I can think of that would cause her to withdraw would be an indictment.

I can't really come to any other conclusion. Sanders appears to believe that there is some mechanism that might lead to his becoming the nominee. He must know that won't happen, but he continues to refuse to work toward unity. It's puzzling and more than a little disturbing to me.

Yes, he's pushing ideas and positions, but he could do that after conceding as well. He still has a large number of people who supported him during the primaries, but those primaries are over. At this point, there is no point in continuing to insist that he's still campaigning.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. If it is true I can say my reaction is one of profound sadness.

I can't imagine hoping for such a fate for a person I said I know, liked, and respected for nearly twenty five years.

[calimary]

46. Agreed. I'm convinced that's true.

What's always bothered me is - he and his campaign spent the last half of the primary season moving the goal posts around, regarding super delegates - he didn't approve of 'em, thought they should be done away with, but then he switched that and wanted them to flip to him, declared there were several different, and changing, metrics for what constituted reaching the critical number of delegates, no-she-can-only-win-with-pledged-delegates, and on and on. Seemed like it changed every doggone week forcryingoutloud!

I don't know what the deal is with him now. Unless it's an old tired syndrome I've witnessed for years in my own experience, among men in professional or powerful positions. They don't like women in there. They're bothered by women breaking through barriers to get in when they should know their "rightful place." It was awfully hard to get used to, and to have to "accommodate." They don't like to have to move over and make room when it used to be that they didn't have to. Just what I've observed, personally.

It's just a damn shame. He's squandering all the good will and clout and leverage that was built up, including all the hopes of his many supporters who really believed with all their hearts. I used to feel more troubled by what this was doing to him and his legacy. But whatever damage he's doing now is self-inflicted. At this point, all I care about is that his followers are the ones who'll wind up getting hurt the most. It's not fair to them to keep stoking their hopes the way he's now doing.

[MineralMan]

87. Berniie Sanders has always held very high ideals as his standard.

He's been someone I've respected for many, many years. However, at this point, he is harming the chances that his positions and ideas will become policy in this country. He ran to become the Democratic nominee, but failed to win election to that position. It's an extremely difficult goal. Someone else won. When that happens, candidates who did not achieve their election goal almost always support the candidate from the same party for the general election. They do not continue to pretend that they are contending for the nomination. Such a pretense is detrimental to one's goals.

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders share many priorities. Since he did not win in the primaries, it is now past time for him to enthusiastically endorse the candidate who did. To do otherwise lessens that candidate's chances of winning, and that's especially true in this election year.

I'm disappointed in his decision. I don't attribute it to misogyny, though, or to anything but ego. That's also disappointing to me. I wish Senator Sanders would take a few days to reflect on what his support could mean and compare it to what his non-support might mean. I truly do.

[calimary]

108. I do, too, MineralMan.

I don't like what it's doing to his supporters - it's really unfair and, frankly, rather selfish, of him to keep their hopes up when he's NOT gonna be the nominee, he's NOT gonna be the quarterback, he's NOT going to be carrying the ball, he's NOT going to be setting the agenda, and he's NOT going to be calling the shots. He seems to be trying to do that now. But he LOST! I don't like seeing the negative impact on the many people who believed in him, in good faith, and took him seriously, and placed their hopes and dreams in him. Including a lot of people here. And he's just leading them all down the garden path with a lot of false and misleading expectations. That's not fair to them. And it's not fair to HIM, either, and the stands he's taken and the beliefs he holds. He's pissing his legacy away. I've lost count of how many times I've read, and that I've stated also, that he isn't doing himself any favors. The biggest blow is being dealt to his followers to whom he's still making promises he can't keep.

[Hortensis]

132. It is attributable ALSO to personality traits that

are being demonstrated again and again as time goes on. This behavior is entirely consonant with being so righteous in one's own positions that recognizing validity in alternative answers is out of the question.

What may have seemed with less exposure like ONLY holding to high principles with more exposure during this campaign looks ALSO like an expression of rigid patterns of thinking that don't allow compromise in goals or further evolution of closely held opinions.

His unwavering convictions give Sanders's message the power to reawaken millions of Americans to believe we can choose to reform and advance our nation, and that has been a great contribution, hopefully in itself a truly transformative one. But.

"The goal isn't to win elections, the goal is to transform America," Sanders said at one point, according to multiple lawmakers and aides in the room.

This in the middle of one of the most critical elections in decades, one with which we will set our nation's course on one of two widely divergent paths. It might make sense, though, to one who sees more similarity than difference between the two parties. Notably, Senator Sanders has so far committed only to defeating Trump himself and to electing a tiny number of candidates who share Sanders' own views on changing America.

[PJMcK]

82. There are other reasons Secretary Clinton might not be the candidate

MineralMan, you wrote, "The only circumstance that could lead to that would be a Clinton withdrawal. The only think I can think of that would cause her to withdraw would be an indictment."

I don't expect or endorse any of the following but your post provoked these thoughts.

Hillary Clinton might withdraw if she or maybe her husband were diagnosed with a terminal illness.
She might withdraw if there were a threat to her or her family.
If she were seriously injured or even assassinated she wouldn't be the Democratic candidate.

In the event she couldn't continue, even if the FBI's decision had been to bring charges against her, I don't think the Democratic Party would turn to Senator Sanders as the candidate.

[Iliyah]

35. Yep.

[obamanut2012]

169. I do

[Renew Deal]

49. He doesn't understand that he will NEVER be given the nomination

[KMOD]

32. Yeah, I caught that too.

[Cha]

148. ...

Keeping this kicked!

[KMOD]

149. Hi Cha!

[Cha]

156. Aloha, K~

[Cha]

139. yeah.. too bad it's such a disappointment!

[DURHAM D]

141. I guess now he is waiting on the Congressional hearings. nt

[Cha]

142. Whatever..

[elias7]

158. Translation: that's the next part of the process. Why is that so hard for you?

Is that not correct?

[obamanut2012]

168. That's the part that got me

He needs to stfu.

[BlueCaliDem]

4. Clearly, Democrats in the more vocal Chamber in Congress are exasperated by this looooong good-bye,

as are Democrats across the country.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. ...

[BlueCaliDem]

7. Hahahahaha! Thanks, DSB! I love the Jackson 5!

And the song is so apropos.

[Cha]

138. ..

[BlueCaliDem]

144. Thanks, Cha!

[Cha]

147. Keep this Kicked!

[geek tragedy]

5. oy.

House Democrats including John Garamendi of California and Joyce Beatty of Ohio asked Sanders for specifics on when he would ultimately get behind Clinton — questions that were accompanied by some cheers and clapping from other House Democrats, sources inside the room said.

Sanders didn’t give them a clear answer, according to attendees. Instead, the Vermont senator emphasized that elections are not necessarily about winning, multiple sources said, but about transformations — an answer that was met with some boos from lawmakers, one person inside the room said.

Gee, I wonder why they didn't like that answer.

[GusBob]

9. If 'elections are not about winning"

why is he advocating for larger turnouts?

Curious, that

[randome]

12. He wants to teach us a lesson on how to be better human beings, I suppose.

I swear, the guy is having an end-of-life crisis and he sees this, after a lifetime of making only small changes along the margins in Congress, as his last opportunity to do something lasting.

The rest of us should just sit down, shut up and do what he says.

It's his turn, damnit!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

64. Maybe because they want The Club to stay as it is

[geek tragedy]

86. or, here's a radical idea, they think it's important to win national elections

so they can actually enact and implement policy instead of making speeches about it

"there's more to elections than winning" sounds a lot more like an excuse than a plan

[DemonGoddess]

11. I expect the boos

are expressions of frustration.

[seabeyond]

13. Gosh a man that believes campaigns aren't about winning telling us he will do everything in power

To defeat Trump isn't very hopeful.

[aikoaiko]

33. He's talking about his own campaign.

[Cali_Democrat]

47. He said "elections"

Plural.

Clearly he's talking about more than one campaign.

[aikoaiko]

84. If you look at the two paragraphs concerning the headline you see...

...that the question put to Bernie was about his campaign and not HRC's.

House Democrats including John Garamendi of California and Joyce Beatty of Ohio asked Sanders for specifics on when he would ultimately get behind Clinton — questions that were accompanied by some cheers and clapping from other House Democrats, sources inside the room said.

Sanders didn’t give them a clear answer, according to attendees. Instead, the Vermont senator emphasized that elections are not necessarily about winning, multiple sources said, but about transformations — an answer that was met with some boos from lawmakers, one person inside the room said.

And yes he answered in the general frame that elections about not necessarily about winning meaning that some are and some aren't.

[Bobbie Jo]

105. What campaign?

The primary is over.

There's no there, there.

[obamanut2012]

170. Except he no longer actually has a campaign

HRC won.

[aikoaiko]

186. Again, his campaign was about more than just about winning the most delegates for the nomination.

And yes, Hillary has won the most delegates by a clear margin and she will be the parties nominee when the delegates vote.

[Eric J in MN]

14. Other headlines which Politico could have used

Sanders Urges House Democrats to Address Middle Class Needs

Sanders Talks to House Democrats about Campaign Finance Reform

Sanders Talks to House Democrats about Strategy for Taking Back Congress

====

But Politico didn't use one of the above headlines, as it gives articles on Bernie Sanders as negative a slant as possible.

Nancy Pelosi, who endorsed Clinton, apparently likes Sanders, too, since she had him address the caucus.



Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders this morning

[eastwestdem]

19. That would be leaving out the most telling moment of the meeting.

Everyone has heard the Sanders stump speech thousands of times, that is not news.

[NWCorona]

20. Some just want to let it fester.

[brooklynite]

24. Sanders has a strategy to take back the House?

Besides endorsing five Democrats running against other Democrats?

Love to hear what it is...

[Eric J in MN]

27. I was referring to this paragraph.

“My message was a simple message: We have got to fight for the needs of the middle class and working families of this country,” Sanders said as he left the caucus meeting. “We got to get people involved in the political process, we got to get a large voter turnout, and if we have a larger voter turnout, Democrats will regain control of the Senate and I believe they’re gonna take the House back.”

Regarding Sanders' endorsements, they include Zephyr Teachout (D-NY) and Marcy Kaptur (D-OH), who are both now the nominees of the Democratic Party.

[brooklynite]

123. Marcy Kaptur didn't have an opponent and is in a safe Democratic seat; pretty bold choice

The question is what Sanders will be willing to do to get people elected in competitive districts. I could provide him with a list...

[Eric J in MN]

129. Thousands of people registered to vote in order to vote for Bernie Sanders and so he's done plenty.

With regard to what he'll do next, that has to do with the DSCC, DCCC, and HRC campaign. If one of those organizations wants to fund a speaking tour for him, then I'm sure he'll do a speaking tour. He probably doesn't have enough campaign funds of his own to do a speaking tour.

[liberal from boston]

153. Senator Sanders

Also Russ Feingold who is surging in the polls, Tim Canova, etc.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/15/as-sanders-campaign-wraps-up-down-ballot-candidates-reap-big-bern-rewards.html

[Renew Deal]

45. Should they have reported the booing?

[Eric J in MN]

161. Not without more context.

How often did the House Democrats applaud?

The one-time they booed during the 40 minute meeting, about how many people booed?

[Gothmog]

21. The action by the House Democrats is appropriate

[seabeyond]

22. He has insulted Dems for a year now. I think the gave been damn patient and accommodating. Nt

[MaggieD]

23. Excellent

My hat's off to house Democrats. My personal opinion is that his ego is the size of Montana and he just can't handle losing to a woman.

[Eric J in MN]

43. 'Bernie Sanders applauds Clinton for her new 'bold' proposal on cost of college'

'...and says work combo of two campaigns.' - tweet this morning by Mary Alice Parks.

https://twitter.com/maryaliceparks/status/750699781656223744

Bernie Sanders' post-primary strategy is about helping ordinary Americans. He's not a sexist.

[MaggieD]

66. Oh he's fine as long as a woman is doing what he wants

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I do happen to think he is a sexist. And there are many reasons to support that conclusion, IMO. I'm not overly surprised that (some) men do not agree with me on that. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. But I think I am as well.

[comradebillyboy]

81. I agree with you despite being a man myself...

[MaggieD]

93. Edited to clarify "some" men

My bad.

[Eric J in MN]

97. When I watched the three-candidate Democratic debates

...my impression was that Bernie Sanders respects Hillary Clinton more than he respects Martin O'Malley. Did you watch the those debates, and if so what was your impression?

[MaggieD]

103. MY impression was he constantly interrupted her and wagged his finger in her face

Both of which I found to be "tells" about his sexism. Other things that have made me view him as a sexist include:

- his early writings about women and their so called rape fantasies or his idea that cervical cancer is caused by women not putting out enough

- the way he ran against Madeline Kuhn for Governor of Vermont

- his dismissive attitude toward Clinton during the debates and in interviews and town halls

- the way he spoke to his wife and pushed her aside in that video clip at a rally

- his refusal to accept that she won and he lost

I am 56 years old, and like most women my age have experienced a whole lot of sexism in my life. We know it when we see it.

[Eric J in MN]

107. Was Sanders nicer to Martin O'Malley, never interrupting him

...never waving his finger when addressing O'Malley?

[MaggieD]

109. Not that I recall

[Eric J in MN]

111. If Sanders interrupted both HRC and O'Malley, then it wasn't sexism. NT

NT

[MaggieD]

112. But he didn't

So much for that canard.

[Eric J in MN]

120. Sanders interrupts O'Malley

...in the last 30 seconds of this debate excerpt:

[MaggieD]

122. No he didn't

[seabeyond]

171. Sanders reigns with interruption and not even close the number of times he interrupted OMalley.

[Eric J in MN]

173. And HRC interrupted Sanders more than she

...interrupted O'Malley because she and Sanders were the top two candidates.

[seabeyond]

176. Clinton interrupted 8 total. Sanders 23. Sanders to Clinton over 20, to Omalley under 5.

Maggied was correct, you were wrong.

If you are finding a way to argue that, points being made, go for it.

I do not play

[DemonGoddess]

175. ^^^This!!!

Thank you MaggieD!

[uponit7771]

124. +1, I'm a guy and I'm leaning towards this after seeing dems boo him. They're not giving him

... the benefit of the doubt that I gave him and this is not usual for dems to boo someone they've caucused with for so long.

They know him and don't like him, a public booing isn't a nice thing

[calimary]

53. I can't help feeling that same thing, MaggieD.

I've seen it too many times in my own life not to suspect it here, too. I also think it runs severely deep within Donald Trump. He will HATE HATE HATE getting beaten by a girl. After all, in his world, girls are supposed to dress in tight, expensive (and preferably skimpy) clothes and six-inch stiletto heels, when they aren't parading around in some bathing suit competition.

[BlueMTexpat]

182. LOL - Maggie D,

please leave MT out of it!

[KingFlorez]

29. They need to stop entertaining him

Clearly he cannot accept that he lost and he won't even acknowledge it.

[aikoaiko]

30. They booed him for this? Elections are not necessarily about winning, but about transformation

Politico should have named names. I'd like to know who booed that idea.

[askeptic]

95. So dissing Bernie is the strategy?

Maybe that'll bring all Bernie's folks over to Hillary, but it seems to me it could be taken personally, too. I just gotta wonder whether this strategy is really helpful.

[George II]

102. It's not a "strategy", it's an expression of frustration.

[TheKentuckian]

179. It is a demand to have a primary war chest formed against them and to be dogged out office

[jcgoldie]

118. You cant transform shit without winning nt

[aikoaiko]

125. Except when you can.

Bernie is accomplishing some of that transformation by working in the platform.

[NorthCarolina]

180. Yes, the establishment truly believes they have a lock on who wins,

but unfortunately for them that is not the only measure of viability anymore. Their media investment has played itself out and will no longer continue to have the political influence they have had in the past. The youth don't watch it because they are fully aware it is nothing more than 100% corporate government propaganda.

[Vinca]

36. Inappropriate and shameful.

They should remember they require the votes of Bernie's supporters to keep their cushy jobs.

[BobbyDrake]

54. When will you stop pretending you're a majority of Democrats? Soon?

Ever?

[MH1]

74. Vinca's right, and they don't need to be a majority.

I think it's sad that it's come to this and it is mainly Bernie's fault, but we need to be strategic - we do need as many of his supporters as we can get, to vote for Clinton in November. They don't need to be a majority to potentially swing a state, if we piss them off bad enough. I don't mean we have to be obsequious or anything - just don't be assholes. (yeah I know it's a tough ask for some folks.)

[BobbyDrake]

76. I distinguish between everyday-progressives and BoBers. I'll stand with everyday-progressives.

BoBers can go do their own useless thing, because I don't need allies whose first inclination is to stab me in the back instead of fighting our common enemy.

[Vinca]

101. That's all I'm really asking - just don't be assholes.

[George II]

194. Well, they were elected before there were any of "Bernie's suppporters" outside of Vermont.

[Vinca]

195. That doesn't excuse rudeness.

[George II]

196. In either direction. We don't know the context of the meeting and the booing.

[Vinca]

197. Well, your highness, let's just cut to the chase. Bernie bad, Hillary good. Happy?

[George II]

198. Were you as equally angry with those who booed Barbara Boxer, Dolores Huerta, etc.?

[Vinca]

199. I'm always angry at rudeness and incivility.

[shireen]

37. he's going to do it in prime time when attention is focused on the convention

It will be YUGE!
It will be dramatic!

It will make Hillary look good.

Chill people. it will all be good soon. We'll be united against the orange person.

[comradebillyboy]

85. I'll believe it when I see it

Sanders has moved the goal posts so many times I no longer think he will endorse Hillary. He will just keep finding excuses to move the goal posts some more.

[frazzled]

106. Unless he endorses before the convention, he won't be speaking at the convention

That's how it rolls, and always has. It's pointless, anyway. His actions over the past month have pulled the curtain from the Wizard, and he's just a small man now. Any endorsement at this point is meaningless. If it has to be extracted from him by force, it carries no weight. I don't really think anyone cares any more. And he is losing any clout he might have had in Congress (which he never had anyway). We saw that today.

He's thrown it all away for pettiness. He's not a smart man, I'm afraid, and I mean that in both terms of intellectual smartness and political smartness.

[Renew Deal]

40. Good. He deserves it

He flits around like Prince Wonderful in his all consuming self obsessed bubble. It's about time he gets some reality.

[Her Sister]

41. Am all for the coddling of the loser to stop any time now!

0. Politico: Sanders booed by House Democrats

Not gonna coddle no more!

[flamingdem]

44. Politico is shit stirring

Don't support them

[Eric J in MN]

48. Yes. Politico smears Sanders.

Their big profile a couple of weeks ago supposedly showed how bad Sanders is by implying he refused to fundraise for Russ Feingold (whom Sanders has fundraised for.)

[flamingdem]

117. They are using divide and conquer

probably to sell news and relevancy, and who knows what other agenda.

[demosincebirth]

52. Give it up Bernie, if you really mean what you've been sayin' about keeping Trumpf from

the White House, you are hurting more than helping, YOu ran a good campaign but the time has come to pack you lil' bags and fall in line with the rest of you democratic collegues (?). and help defeat Frumpf. YOu are a great asset and are needed to assisst in the campaign to defeat "El Trumpo" the scrouge of this millinien.

[BobbyDrake]

55. Good. His behavior has earned it for him. nt

[Peacetrain]

59. Ish... I just read this on the front page..

There reaches a point where nothing can be said.. except.. I knew this was going to happen!

[Surya Gayatri]

73. Massive K & R. Thanks for posting.

The House Dems. are showing their much justified frustration. Well done.

[mcar]

80. He really missed his opportunity, didn't he?

I just don't get the strategy.

[OnDoutside]

127. I honestly think he wants his moment in the spotlight for him, and his supporters, at the Convention

[mcar]

131. You may be right

But his intransigence will not gain him that.

[OnDoutside]

134. By pushing it to a vote, he will feel justified, but I feel he has missed an opportunity to build a

legacy for the future within the Democratic Party.

[Her Sister]

91. They are all fighting for "real issues" Bernie did not invent real issues

There are lots of real issues! I am a real American with real issues and voted for the nominee. Bernie ran and lost. Glad HRC is the nominee! Taking her all the way to the White House..

ThePhilosopher04
88. All the more reason to run all of their asses out of Washington
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Bernie is fighting for real issues that affect real Americans while so called congressional Dems are more interested in falling in line. We live in a one fucked up world.

[George II]

98. That post came and went so fast never had a chance to read it. Guess that's good.

[Her Sister]

100. It's in my post as I quoted it!

Just one person can save regular Americans... lah blah blah... that kind of she-bang!

[MineralMan]

92. We need more Democrats in Congress, not fewer.

Please don't advocate for "running their asses out." Thanks a bunch.

[Her Sister]

114. Taking back the Senate is within reach – say you'll help make it happen:

https://twitter.com/TheDemocrats/status/750755811945746432/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Sheepshank]

96. Well that was an unfortunate reality slap in the face.

I'd be totally humiliated if I were Bernie. His Senatorial "capital" is all but gone at this point.

[Cha]

140. ...

[MyNameGoesHere]

113. Go back to your job Senator Bernie Sanders (I) Vermont

and try working on your agenda from there. I know it's taken you 30 years to get serious but I applaud you for finally realizing you have a voice. Now get to work and shower us with the plethora of new legislation you are going to introduce. Your foray into the presidency is over. Do what you supposedly do best and shape some fucking policy.

[Her Sister]

115. perfectly stated!

[jcgoldie]

116. "the goal is not to win elections..."

WTF?

[George Eliot]

119. More to story.B looking long-term,bring voters in. Smarter.

House Democrats overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton during the presidential primary fight, so it was not surprising that Sanders got a cool reception from them.

snip

Sanders did have some support among House Democrats.

“A lot of members are anxious about when is he going to explicitly support Hillary," said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.). "And what he’s saying is that’s an ongoing process. But if we want to win, we’ve got to take the long-view that we need a platform that is going to genuinely create excitement for our nominee.”

Welch added: “What he said very clearly is we’ve got to beat Trump and the way he believes we’re going to do it is by having a commitment to an agenda that excites people, including the younger people. And he’s working on that."

snip

“My message was a simple message: We have got to fight for the needs of the middle class and working families of this country,” Sanders said as he left the caucus meeting. “We got to get people involved in the political process, we got to get a large voter turnout, and if we have a larger voter turnout, Democrats will regain control of the Senate and I believe they’re gonna take the House back.”

The Democratic Party and we the people should pay attention. This will help Hillary in long run.

[George II]

121. Not surprising that he did have "support among House Democrats", in the name of Peter Welch of VT.

[Jester Messiah]

128. The status quo speaks its mind.

After all, he was gonna screw up their cushy deal and have the electorate expecting progress again. Can't have that.

[George II]

130. Apparently what you call the "status quo" is preferred by the people who vote them...

...into office.

That's how our system works. Now, is there a better system?

[Jester Messiah]

193. So far, 2016 has made an excellent case for a return to the monarchy. n/t

[Alfresco]

133. Bernie will return to the Senate as a pariah, more alone than ever. Nicely done Bernie.

[totodeinhere]

135. Except that he retains millions of supporters.

And yes he got a few boos this time but only a couple of weeks ago he got a standing ovation on the House floor.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/168547-bernie-sanders-joined-the-house-sit-in-got-a-standing-ovation

[George II]

137. bustle.com? BTW, they referenced an article from the Atlantic, which had only one photo...

....and everyone in the photo was sitting on the floor.

And the only photo in the "bustle.com" article had him being virtually ignored.

[Cha]

136. Thanks George! Politico: Sanders booed by House Democrats

"It was frustrating because he's squandering the movement he built with a self-obsession that was totally on display," said one senior Democrat.

Sanders also stunned some of the Democrats in attendance when he told them that winning elections isn’t the only thing they should focus on. While they wanted to hear about how to beat Donald Trump — and how Sanders might help them win the House back — he was talking about remaking the country.

“The goal isn’t to win elections, the goal is to transform America,” Sanders said at one point, according to multiple lawmakers and aides in the room.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/bernie-sanders-booed-house-democrats-225161

[Maru Kitteh]

145. K & R; thanks for the post George

He's earned this feedback, for sure.

[bigwillq]

150. Good for Bernie

Keep fighting the good fight, Mr. Sanders.

[oberliner]

152. I get the sense he's going to go back to not being a Democrat

And re-embrace the idea of being an Independent instead.

[pnwmom]

154. Looks like he's already done that nt

[elias7]

159. I'm tired of how mean and ugly sounding the Democrats are on this site

I don't recognize anything in common with people who are perpetually snarky and disrespectful as so many of these posters are. Is this the new face of the Democratic Party? It is ugly.

[forjusticethunders]

162. People don't like being condescended to

And they don't like people who act like their shit doesn't stink while they're pointing out everyone else's faults.

Sanders needs to take the plank out of his eye before he starts looking for sawdust in everyone else's eyes.

This moment has been coming for a LONG time.

[DemonGoddess]

177. ^^^This!!!

the "holier than thou" and "my way or the highway" and "you're all corrupt because I'm right" shit is why he was booed

[elias7]

190. I hear you're frustrated he hasn't quit the race

There are Sanders supporters and then there are Hillary haters, and the Hillary haters have either left or have been civil since primary season ended.

The Sanders supporters understand he has lost but also understand that Sanders is staying around to try to affect the platform, and that's OK with me. They also see this as not at all about ego, and his involvement in the process may be of great benefit pulling the youth and the independents to the Hillary.

Many Hillary supporters cannot fathom why he stays in the race and have quite frankly remained fairly uncivil to anything Bernie (who?). They feel that anything not pro-Hillary out of his mouth is hurting her chances, and so continue to berate people without discriminating between the Hillary haters and the erstwhile Sanders supporters who support his process to strengthen the platform.

I understand the frustration, but I don't feel comfortable with the intolerance, the failure to consider his process as anything other than ego, and to discuss this real problem in a civil discourse.

DU has been a place where snark and gloating and inconsiderate behavior have always been rare, and open mindedness to other viewpoints and other longterm members differing opinions have been the rule. I've just been uncomfortable with the tone of some posters - both sides, but now mostly one sided - and just come away feeling that these are not very nice people. Which is strange, since I've never felt that way about fellow democrats before...

[forjusticethunders]

191. The problem is that "staying in the race" does not help a leftist agenda get passed

Are you even reading the responses that people are having to Bernie these days? People are getting pissed off. Pissed off people are less amenable to adopting other people's suggestions. Do you know WHY they are getting pissed off? Because Bernie is being tone-deaf, disrespectful, condescending, arrogant, and so are many of his supporters, and people are getting tired of it. I used to support Bernie until mid April but the above factors got too much for me to bear, and I'm to his LEFT! Yes, you can be on the Left and not support Bernie, believe it or not, because Bernie and his supporters have pushed a myopic, self-marginalizing, outdated, and tone-deaf vision of what the Left is! Bernie's idea of the Left is one where we spend more time attacking Democrats for not implementing maximalist solutions than attacking fascist Republicans for stopping ANY solutions. Where our main goal is trying to convince racist working class whites to vote Dem rather than supporting the diverse base of our party. Where our outreach strategy is screaming at people and telling them they're shills for not being as left rather than forming a popular front against reactionary elements, and then steadily moving the more conservative members of that front leftward (as what happened with World War II where the conservative Churchill and the socialist Atlee ended up agreeing on most things)

Right now Bernie is getting his tail wagged by the ultra-fringe, the people even Trots couldn't stand because nothing was ever pure or good enough. The people who think he's a traitor for even running in the Democratic primary (as opposed to running as an independent and electing Trump). Those are the people he's trying to appease right now and he's looking like a fool. He needs to realize that these "independent leftists" haven't liberated a single worker or uplifted a single marginalized person no matter how "radical" their rhetoric sounds.

[AgadorSparticus]

205. Could not have said that any better! Exactly this. +1,000

[Exilednight]

167. Said one senior Democrat? What a coward to go off the record.

It's not like they're whistle blowing and need anonymity to protect them or their family.

If you say something this moronic then you need to publicly own it.

[Scuba]

181. Anonymous source either bullshit or lacks courage. I call bullshit.

[Vattel]

192. Anyone who booed Sanders can fuck themselves