So Bernie is going to endorse. I'm glad. NOW will you get off of his case?

[Ken Burch]

And will you now finally admit his campaign was never a right-wing plot?

[still_one]

1. ok

[Ken Burch]

2. Thank you. n/t.

[hrmjustin]

3. I never thought it was a right wing plot and I am grateful he is endorsing Hillary.

I always thought he was going to do so.

[MynameisBlarney]

53. Same here

As a Bernie supporter, I think it's about darn time too.
Now is the time to start focusing on keeping that fascist SOB drumpf out of the WH.

[merrily]

4. They've been talking about joint efforts to defeat Trump since at least mid-June.

Some DUers have tunnel vision laser focus.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html?_r=0

[riversedge]

7. Way Past time to get on with that effort.

[merrily]

8. Point is, they have already been "on with that effort."

Good things have already come from it.

[riversedge]

9. Yes, Hillary has been on the campaign trail hitting hard on Donald.

[merrily]

10. So has Bernie. And, Hillary's bought into a good education plan.

Stop fighting the primary.

[riversedge]

12. I am not

fighting the primary and you know it. bye

[John Poet]

93. It's very obvious that you are

still refighting the primary.

Better stop that! Against TOS, you know !!!

[BobbyDrake]

33. Where on the campaign trail has Bernie been? All I see are speeches and op/eds about the platform.

He's still trying to fight the primary, obviously. And that means he's not fighting Trump.

[Squinch]

80. Yep. And telling Democrats this week how he needs to revolutionize the party. Thereby

dismissing all their efforts.

Will I leave BS alone? Well... sure, if he stops trashing Democrats.

And he hasn't endorsed yet, though at this point his endorsement is meaningless.

[merrily]

91. He has always said defeating Republicans and defeating Trump is important.

He has also said he's voting for Hillary.

[scscholar]

51. And, he hasn't done it yet

Why are people giving him credit for doing something he has not done?

[John Poet]

94. Maybe you don't know this yet, but

the election is in November.

[seabeyond]

16. Sanders has been insulting Dems and Clinton since way before then, non stop. One doesn't have

anything to do with the other. Insult us, we will call it out. That simple. Reality. Repercussion with what one says.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Sanders was my primary choice, I'm a Democrat. Your verbiage is insulting and out of date.

You do not speak for all Democrats. My Democratic State voted for Bernie by 12 points, closed Primary, in November Hillary will get our electoral votes. To suggest we are not Democrats is nasty and inaccurate. To do so posting from a State that will give electorates to Trump is irony beyond compare. To elect Hillary, you need to make use of our electoral votes because yours will go to Trump, and yet you smear us. For electing Democrats. On Democratic Underground. Stunning.

[seabeyond]

24. To state that Sanders has insulted and attacked dems for a long time is not saying ALL dem agree

with me, or I am speaking for ALL Dems. My verbiage is valid reactions to what Sanders said, he gets to own it. It is not out of date seeing how just last week he insulted Dems.

Nowhere did I suggest you or anyone else was not Dems.

Now you are going after me for living in the state I do? Lol. Because I live in Texas and it will go to Trump I need to shut up? or am responsible?

I am not into shifting responsibility. I would think the person that puts out a statement can handle rebuttle.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Then why do you speak in the plural 'insult us and we respond' instead of in the sigular and for

only yourself? You are trying to borrow that plurality to lend authority to that which is really just your personal anti Bernie jag.

You say Bernie has been insulting 'Dems' ( I don't use Dems, I say Democrats) but you offer no proof of that. Democratic States, which are a contrast to your own Republican State, voted for Bernie Sanders, my State sure did so. Yet you attack him saying he insults Dems. We Democrats voted for him, in droves.

Unless you are conjoined twins or speaking for the mouse in your pocket, you need to define who you are claiming when you speak as if you were a group of persons. Or consider simply speaking for yourself. Other DUers are talking to you, individually, not to the array of persons you suggest you represent with these insults of entire Democratic States.

[seabeyond]

37. He insult Democrats, plural... Which makes it an "us"... If we do not support him.

We... A number of people calling out Sanders attacks on us, makes it a "we". Just to start with you first question in your post. All pretty obvious that I see as a waste of my time to type out, while working.

I will get back to the rest of your post later.

[Ken Burch]

73. He never insulted anyone at all.

He simply asked for support. It wasn't an insult to say that this party needs serious internal change, just as this country needs serious change.

And no one, in this entire primary cycle, has persecuted you or called for anything that was a betrayal of what you support, so can you please stop acting like Bernie and his supporters are some sort of left-wing Klan or something? You've been furious with us since the campaign started and you never had any reason to be.

[BainsBane]

87. False

I could provide many examples, but I will not refight the primary. It's nice you admire him, but you don't get to determine how others think about him. People have formed and will form their own views based on what they observe.


In looking toward future primary contests, people should realize that insisting a candidate not be criticized or that voters shouldn't ask about what he plans doesn't help that candidate win votes.

[AgadorSparticus]

109. +1

[seabeyond]

88. He insulted us. Often, consistently and a hell of a lot more than Republicans. Nt

[Chasstev365]

103. Despite your failure to get off Bernie's case

I will be support Hillary in November.

[seabeyond]

104. Good. I am a believer that we all have the right to make our personal choices when it comes to votin

Good, that you will vote Clinton.

Seems like the smart move.

[seabeyond]

38. Second sentence of yours. Inevitably it is a fail when you assign motive to me. You are wrong.

[seabeyond]

42. Third sentence. No Sanaders did not win the Democratic states. He won a few. Clinton won more. No

revisionist history, please.

Clinton Democrats voted for her in greater droves. Point?

And no, you do not get to make the demands what I say, how I address an issue, or plural or singular. You just do not have that right.

[Bluenorthwest]

52. I did not say he won them all it is self evident that he did not, but you are saying Democrats did

not vote for him while many States voted for Bernie. As long as you affect that you speak for a group of people and not yourself alone I will ask who else you claim to speak for. If you are claiming to be 'we' then you need to explain who else is in that 'we'. You wish to borrow the power of groups for words that are yours alone, I will call that out and inquire as to whom else you claim to speak for. Because I'm a Democrat and you do not speak for me when you smear my State and other Democrats who voted for Bernie. So I want it to be clear that you speak only for you, not for anyone else. Not the admins, not the Party and most decidedly not for Hillary Clinton.
When you say 'we' you really mean 'I'. So why not just say that, kiddo?

[seabeyond]

55. No. I did not say Democrats didnt vote for Sanders. That would be stupid, wrong and not factual.

Done. I am not doing this back and forth

[Ken Burch]

100. I'm just as much a Democrat as you are

and so were the majority of Sanders supporters.

There also were and are a large number of people who voted for HRC who said they agree with Bernie on the issues but simply believed HRC is more electable. So it's not as though every HRC vote was a rejection of the entire Sanders agenda.

[seabeyond]

102. I have never question you or others being Democrats. I do not do that. You two keep making statement

I have never made.

I'm just as much a Democrat as you are

[Ken Burch]

105. When you use the word "Democrats" as if you speak for all Dems as a group, you do.

In any case, the party is uniting behind the candidate you always supported, so you have no reason to continue with your hostility.

You've won. Can't you just be happy about that?

[seabeyond]

106. "as if". Right there. You are creating your own story that has nothing to do with me.

Done. It is not hard to address what is actually being written instead of creating the story you want to argue.

[Cary]

79. It takes two

I am not ascribing fault but if you don't engage the opinions that you find to be insulting then you will not be feeding them.

What do you care what anonymous posters on an Internet board think, anyway? Move forward. We have a lot of work to do and more pernicious dragons to slay. Right?

[Squinch]

81. Yeah... well. Except no one said you are not Democrats, so your post makes no sense.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. OK.

As long as he endorses.

[SFnomad]

6. He STILL hasn't done it, yet ... and he's taken FAR too long to do it. But hey, keep sounding like

you're the people being put out by all of this.

[pnwmom]

11. When he does. He still hasn't done it yet. n/t

[caquillo]

13. Too little, too late

[NCTraveler]

14. Never thought or said he was a right wing plot.

I'll never get off the case of career politicians or elected officials.

That being said, I have minimal current issues with Sanders.

[SharonClark]

41. I never heard any Hillary supporters say Sanders' campaign was a right-wing plot

[NCTraveler]

45. I don't recall it happening.

Giving the op the benefit of the doubt I'm just going to trust they saw it all over the place. Therefore, I'm just speaking for myself. At the same time, I'm well aware they are still in primary fighting mode and this is a step in the process for them.

Sanders aligns with the right on some major issues and I have had serious problems with it. Overall, he is on my team and fights for very similar causes to myself. I've never thought of him as a right wing plot and like you the op is the first I have heard of it.

[John Poet]

97. Sanders isn't the only one who has aligned with the right on some issues,

but he has done it far less often than some other people I could name....

The 'right-wing plot' may reference certain DUers calling Bernie's supporters "right-wingers", which I have read on this site as recently as yesterday, about certain people who are no longer on DU. "I always knew they were really right-wingers" or some such.

[DLCWIdem]

113. they might have been referring to some of his supporters use of CT

Like JPR? OR their use of right wing sources when spreading Hillary criticism, hate and the thoughts of indictment.

[pandr32]

62. No one said it--you are right

But what we have been saying is that by continuing his primary fight he is helping the right-wing.

Heck, Donald Trump likes to quote Bernie's attacks on Hillary, and the right-wing is saying that the Dems are divided.

[Squinch]

83. Of course no one ever said that, but it sounds so dramatic, doesn't it? I am guessing that

was the appeal of the phrase to the poster.

[seabeyond]

15. If he doesn't attack Dems and Clinton, then we will not call him out. Are you ready to stop with

these OPS?

[NWCorona]

17. Come on, you know that's not gonna happen.

Bernie could have endorsed from jump and people would still be hating.

[seabeyond]

19. People react to what Sanders says. It is on his shoulder, he gets to own it. He doesn't get to say

whatever he wants without any feedback. Life doesn't work that way.

[NWCorona]

20. Did I say life works that way?

[seabeyond]

21. "Bernie could have endorsed from jump and people would still be hating."

This is what you said and what I responded to. You imply people are unreasonable when conversation about Sanders has to do with what he says. That is on him. That is not us being unreasonable. That should be the expectation when insulting a group of people, yet you imply we are simply unreasonable picking on Sanders.

[NWCorona]

23. You didn't prove your point by quoting me.

Actually you proved mine. Who said anything about being unreasonable? It's a matter of perspective.

[seabeyond]

27. It isn't unreasonable suggesting whatever Sanders does people will diss him because they are "haters

[NWCorona]

34. If you inferred that I meant everyone when I said "people" that's your problem

The fact is no matter what Bernie does there will be people who hate him. Just like Clinton.

[seabeyond]

46. "no matter what Bernie does there will be people who hate him" I got it. That is what I addressed.

My comment in no way was suggesting anything about "all". I feel, personally, that is a stupid ass argument to pull out and dismiss what one says. no, my observation was not thinking you meant all, some, a little, a lot, many.

My comment, I will say again, is suggesting people hate Sanders and it doesn't matter what Sanders says or does, we are so fuckin' unreasonable,. we simply hate him and will diss him.

As you have said AGAIN, reiterating my point.

Sanders condescends, attacks or insults Dems, owns Democratic [policies as his own, claims to be savior of the Democratic party, state that Dems are "establishment", rootin for the oligarchy, corporate and corrupt, the same as Republicans, then YES.... We are going to call Sanders out. That is what we are doing, reacting to comments Sanders makes. Not unreasonably just dissing Sanders because we 'hate' him.

[NWCorona]

50. Please. All the pointless Bernie threads here didn’t go away

[seabeyond]

54. No they did not. Sanders kept getting in front of the camera and saying shit that we responded to.

[NWCorona]

56. Thanks for agreeing that they are pointless threads and proving my point.

[seabeyond]

57. Lordy, lol. I do not get why people play this game. Whatever.

[LanternWaste]

68. You really seem to dig self-validation.

You really seem to dig self-validation.

[NWCorona]

69. Maybe

[Logical]

120. Lol, coming from you! Nt

[Bluenorthwest]

25. You say that but your smears on Bernie in this thread or elsewhere virtually never cite anthing he

has said that bothers you. You constantly type 'he insults' but you never have an example. You say he spent decades trashing Democrats but he's a founder of our largest Congressional Caucus and has organized and voted with that caucus for his entire career. When he voted opposite of most Democrats, he was usually in the right to do so, such as when he was in a minority voting against DOMA.

If it was about what he said, you'd point out what he said. But you can't so you don't. The time for what you are doing is in the past.

[seabeyond]

28. Many of us have repeatedly had specific conversation addressing what Sanders says. Now we are going

to pretend Sanders has not had decades insulting Dems? Really? Oh Bluenorthwest. Believe what you want,

Sanders is done. You are right. I am not continuing the primary fight.

Besides Skinner asked us not to.

So, are we done with these OPs yet?

[Bluenorthwest]

39. Bernie Sanders co-founded what has grown to be the largest Democratic Caucus in the US Congress.

He's been on the right side of many issues for many years. I note that you keep repeating the same unsupported smears of Bernie while 'not continuing to fight the Primary'.
You can't cite that which you claim Bernie said that bothers you because you have nothing to cite. That's why when repeatedly asked to do so you blast out more insults rather than produce any evidence to support your contention.

My States electorates will go to Hillary. You're welcome.

[seabeyond]

44. I am addressing today, and what Sanders says today. I am not fighting the primary, like I did during

the primary when I laid out specific issues of the primary. Not a tough concept. I am not going to once again, spend a half hour copying and pasting all Sanders past comments about the Democratic party.

[BobbyDrake]

31. Since it's still OK to review records, Sanders is on record opposing DOMA over states rights.

Not support for the LGBTQ community.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_569fcc4de4b0a7026bf9e06f

Sanders did support civil unions as far back as 15 years ago, but it was for the same reason he opposed the federal Defense of Marriage Act in 1996: his strong belief in state’s rights. He wasn’t advocating for legal marriage for same-sex couples. He actually avoided the subject.

As one Vermont columnist put it in 2000, getting a straight answer from Sanders on gay marriage “was like pulling teeth... from a rhinoceros.” In 2006, Sanders said he supported civil unions but not same-sex marriage, again deferring to states.

Status of request to revise history: Denied

[Bluenorthwest]

36. How does that relate to anything I said? You drag that up because I am gay, not because of

the subject matter. Why not address what I have said, respond to that which I have asked? Because you can't.

The person you are tag teaming with says Bernie has insulted Democrats for decades, she offers no citation nor do you. I asked for such cites repeatedly but you two lack the respect to respond to that which is actually said. It's really something to see. You two smear, but when asked to support your smears you refuse. Repeatedly.

[BobbyDrake]

58. First of all, I don't know you from Adam. I didn't post anything because of any characteristic.

Second, here's fucking proof of his insults. Maybe next time try Google first.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”
"We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”
Bernie Sanders, everybody—the same Bernie Sanders who is running to become the Democratic Party’s candidate for president of the United States.

And my reply is in direct response to your claim:
When he voted opposite of most Democrats, he was usually in the right to do so, such as when he was in a minority voting against DOMA.

Voting on states rights ground is hardly being "in the right," especially since liberals regularly criticize that argument from conservatives when they try it.

You were not posting factual information and I corrected you. And it had everything to do with you being wrong and nothing to do with you being gay. How do you know I'm not too, huh? You embarrass yourself with such assumptions.

[seabeyond]

59. My favorite: "It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said"

The tweedle dee and dum

Thanks

[auntpurl]

18. Yes, and I never thought it was a right-wing plot.

I'll be happy to have him aboard.

[BobbyDrake]

26. If Clinton is "not the nominee until the convention votes" as some argue...

...then Sanders doesn't get credit for an endorsement until he actually makes it. Always good to have everyone playing by the same rules, after all.

[rock]

30. I never was on his case

Once he turned irrelevant (shortly after Clinton became the apparent nomination) I never paid Bernie any more attention.

[Orsino]

35. Not until it happens...

...and not until it's accompanied by a sincere apology and at least a token prison term for his daring to oppose the anointed.

We seem to be headed for unity, as expected, but as Americans we tend to treat politics as a team sport. some rivalries are never allowed to die.

[seabeyond]

48. "at least a token prison term for his daring to oppose the anointed."

[Squinch]

86. You don't see the irony in your own post, do you?

[LaydeeBug]

40. this is passive aggressive....let's talk *after* he walks the walk. nt

[NorthCarolina]

43. He wasn't really hated for delaying endorsement, he's hated for his political stripes.

He's considered the evil SOCIALIST! Remember Sen. Claire McCaskill issuing her warning cry about Bernie on Hardball..."But, but, but...he's a SOCIALIST!"

[seabeyond]

49. No one considered Sanders an "evil" Socialist.

[okasha]

112. Some of us never considered him a socialist at all.

[CrowCityDem]

47. Yes, since he will finally be living up to his promises.

[Nye Bevan]

60. I for one will be happy to welcome him on board. Better late than never. (nt)

[liberal N proud]

61. Depends on what he does next

[arcane1]

63. The Clinton campaign's stated goal wasn't to defeat him, but to "disqualify" him.

So expect to see more lame attempts at shitting on any progressive idea the man has ever expressed in his life. It's the ideas that must be defeated in order for corporatism to claim victory.

[seabeyond]

65. "Clinton campaign's stated goal wasn't to defeat him, but to "disqualify" him." Where was this

statement made. You made it definite. I never saw this stated goal.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

64. this is like asking 'have you stopped beating your wife'

never thought it was a right wing plot, so cannot stop something i never started

the incessant whining about unfairness when he lost, but fairness when he won, was annoying as fuck but not a right wing plot.

[Squinch]

85. That is one of their favorite questions.

[JTFrog]

66. What's with all the strawmen around here today? n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. Sorrow. Disappointment. Lashing out.

[Ken Burch]

72. I'm not feeling any sorrow. Just asking for self-destructive behavior to stop.

Once he said he'd vote for her, you guys should have let it go at that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

74. who are these mythical 'you guys'? I am not doing anything to hurt Bernie.

you on the other hand need to stop accusing people of saying things they did not say.

[Ken Burch]

75. By that phrase, I meant those who've continued to demand Bernie endorse HRC and suspend

When it was already clear he was going to do that soon anyway.

I'm glad he's endorsing next week, but it wouldn't have harmed anything for it to be at the convention.

There was never a real issue here.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

78. no, nor is there a big issue of people persecuting Bernie by asking him to do the right thing.

this is just an excuse to keep fighting the primaries.

[BainsBane]

84. "Self-destructive"?

Last edited Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Bernie has absolutely nothing to do with myself.

[Ken Burch]

92. Self-destructive to the nominee's chances.

Sanders supporters have been embracing HRC's candidacy already. That fact means it's bad politics to keep attacking Bernie and implying he can't be trusted to do the right thing.

Your side should be nothing but conciliatory at this stage. The war is over.

[BainsBane]

101. Hillary has been extremely concillitatory

But if people are going to keep pushing Bernie on us, you are going to hear some criticism.
I myself would prefer to forget all about him, but some insist on keeping discussion of him going.

For months now we've been told we are not allowed to criticize or question Bernie is anyway, that he is
too important for mere voters to dare to even discuss his record. I understand that hierarchical view of human worth is
central to worldview in certain quarters, but I reject it entirely.

[Ken Burch]

107. I know she has been. She has my thanks. You should join her in that.

Nobody is pushing Bernie on you. All that's been happening since D.C. is the shaping of the platform.

And given that Bernie is not going to be nominated, why do you even still need to criticize him or attack his supporters? He had to run, there was no alternative to that once Warren dropped out. Now he'll endorse on Tuesday.

And plenty of criticism of Bernie was heard here. Your side wasn't really stopped from saying anything. Are you angry because HRC's campaign wasn't harsher towards Bernie and his supporters? What good would more attacks have done? It's not as though anyone but millionaires would have benefited if Bernie had suspended after Super Tuesday.

You've got what you wanted. Be happy. The primaries are over.

BTW, I don't believe in a hierarchal view of human worth. I don't worship Bernie as a god...it's just that he was the candidate i felt reflected what I stood for(that was exactly the case, I think, with 97% of Sanders supporters). if you preferred HRC, that's your call.
Why is it so hard to accept that there was nothing unhealthy or illegitimate in supporting the candidate I preferred?

[BainsBane]

108. I do not for a second dispute your right to support him in the primary

anymore than I would anyone else. Your vote is entirely your own. I'm not the one who posted thread after thread telling people who they should vote for.

I am very relieved Clinton is the nominee, but that doesn't change my views of her opponent or some of what happened in the primary and since.

When I did GOTV activities during the primary, I didn't utter a negative word about Bernie, and I certainly won't during the general election. I haven't posted a thread about him on this site since we transitioned to the GE. As I said, I would prefer to forget all about him.

Despite your assertion in the OP, it was not obvious he would endorse all along, principally because he equivocated on the subject and continued to attack Clinton even after the voting had stopped. He insisted on prolonging the conflict. To expect everyone to rise above that is unrealistic.

[Maru Kitteh]

70. When the pudding is on the table, sure.

And I never heard anyone who thought his run was a right-wing plot. Not sure where ya got that one but whatever.

[MineralMan]

71. I could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone calling

his campaign a "right-wing plot." Do you have an example of that from DU? If so, I'll visit any link you provide.

[John Poet]

95. Well, there are plenty of examples of DUers

accusing Bernie's supporters of being "right-wingers" as recently as yesterday, particularly if the supporters are no longer present on this site. I'm not about to hunt them down now, as it pisses me off too much to read them.

[seabeyond]

96. There was/are a lot of Sanders supporters that are rw'ers, and baggers, and Libertarians.

That is just fact. He was addressing white, men, middle/upper middle class and university students. That is his demographics. So factually, there were rw'ers supporting Sanders.

Just like I imagine Clinton will get a lot of Republican women votes.

[Lil Missy]

76. Nope. He'll stay on my shit list just like Nader does. n/t

[MFM008]

77. I am looking forward to them

combining and campaigning against the dumpster fire.
I cant wait.

[cosmicone]

82. Actually, all the HRC supporters like Senator Sanders

and we would have gladly voted for him if he were the nominee.

[DLCWIdem]

114. not gladly. kicking, screaming and with considerate gnashing of teeth but hell

I would never in a hundred million years vote for tRump nor not vote helping him get elected. So right after the last vote had been counted I would have stated I will vote for and support Bernie.

[cosmicone]

115. I don't see much difference in policy between the two

Hillary is more qualified and more pragmatic.

Bernie would have been forced to become pragmatic once he dealt with congress.

[DLCWIdem]

118. The post was, at first, a kind of joke but the more I thought about it the more I realized it rang

true.. Your right there isn't many policy differences. I actually hadn't picked between the 2 until mid March. It wasn't policy that made me angry with Sanders. Just suffice it to say, It was his hypocritical stance along with his name calling etc... that I really didn't like. As you can guess from my poster id I am from Wisconsin, so I take any form of trying to disenfranchise the voters very seriously because of Walker, and by mid March his campaign had already started floating the idea of trying to overturn the vote. Seeing as that vote (Clinton's coalition) was from women and AA to populations that have been disenfranchised and actually have had to fight for suffrage ... This and calling Democrats corrupt was pretty much why I would only reluctantly vote for him.

[cosmicone]

119. I hear you n/t

[Miles Archer]

90. Why does this matter to you?

Seriously, I don't understand why this carries any importance for you at all. You want approval and agreement, and you're seeking it here? Why?

[Ken Burch]

99. It's not about me. It's about making sure we win the election.

It is necessary for their to be good will between HRC and Sanders people in order to achieve that objective. Sanders people are doing our part now, HRC people need to do the same.

The war is over.

[Miles Archer]

110. I applaud your optimism.

Seriously, Ken...I read your posts. I am aware and appreciative of the efforts you have made in this area, and I know it is not about you.

DU split when "GE" mode clicked in. The Clinton supporters are on DU, the Sanders supporters...or to be more accurate, the people who will not support Clinton...went to JPR.

Before anyone alerts on my post...or maybe after, it's all the same...I had several public conversations with Skinner in ATA about this. What I told him...and the promise I have kept...is that I would obey the rule of not saying anything if I couldn't say something nice, and I've kept that promise. I've been largely inactive on DU since GE mode, because I'd like to remain a member of this site after November.

You can't control "HRC people." I have no interest in doing so. You can ask, you can extend an olive branch and calls for unity, and what happens next is up to them.

When I see the "too little, too late" posts here about Sanders, your desire for "good will between HRC and Sanders people" is admirable, but something I don't see happening. And it really isn't necessary.

It's Skinner's Website. He laid down the ground rules, as is his right.

Some people aren't up for those rules. For me, my silence is my participation. For others, maybe having posts removed or having PPR is a badge of honor. I'm too old to play that game. I made a promise to Skinner and I've kept it.

You seem to have conviction and passion. Maybe the fruits of your labor won't grow in this soil. But I'm not you, and I'm not giving you advice. I hope your optimism is met with success.

[Buzz cook]

98. I have been officially off Bernie's case since California

Once Clinton locked I didn't need to be upset by Bernie or his supporters. I'm 34/7 reconciliation.

[MirrorAshes]

111. If this isn't re-fighting the primary I don't know what is

a right wing plot? What does that even mean? This entire OP's premise is troll-bait and nothing more.

[NurseJackie]

116. You're right. This is a silly OP, and it's exactly as you've described it.

[Adrahil]

117. Depends on what he actually does....

Does he give an actual endorsement where he actually advocates voting for her, or will he make all about his own agenda and his vision?

Not that I particularly care either way at this point, but if he gets on board and campaigns hard, he would regain a lot of my respect.

[Ken Burch]

122. You do realize you'll probably get banned for having a posting name

that mocks another DU'er, right?