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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:30 PM Jul 2016

Kaine and Warren likely not the VP pick, who say you?

The publicly discussed short list has winnowed with Kaine saying he doesn't expect it will be him and Warren speaking early at the Convention.

Interestingly, James Stavridis has been included in the public short list. But he was clearly on Hillary's actual short list for some time.

What it tells us is that the media doesn't have the full story or the full list and it could (maybe probably will) be someone not yet discussed or reported to be vetted.

Who do you think it could be? Not your preference, but your educated guess.

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Kaine and Warren likely not the VP pick, who say you? (Original Post) morningfog Jul 2016 OP
I don't think Warren will be. 840high Jul 2016 #1
Which is why I didn't support Hillary in the primary. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #3
I honestly don't know. KMOD Jul 2016 #2
My guess is still Kaine. Just seems like the "safe pick" and running against Trump DanTex Jul 2016 #4
Concur rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #6
"I don't expect to be picked" Night Watchman Jul 2016 #20
If it's Gingrich or Christie, we need a strong debater. If it's Pence, anyone will do. nt Zen Democrat Jul 2016 #54
Booker and Kaine are awful and pokes in the eyes of progressives. w4rma Jul 2016 #5
Julian Castro...n/t chillfactor Jul 2016 #7
Don't you think he's just a little inexperienced? And looks like it, too? (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #8
A VP is either a mentor okasha Jul 2016 #10
She needs someone capable of taking over the country in case something happens to her. BlueStater Jul 2016 #12
Castro was also part of the smear campaign against Sanders on immigration issues. Vattel Jul 2016 #32
Agreed. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #42
I t was his brother Joaquin who was accused okasha Jul 2016 #53
I was for Juluan Castro, but now I like Xavier Becerra. He has all of Castros' pluses, but he is a lunamagica Jul 2016 #43
I'm rooting for Kaine... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #9
Based on nothing but a vibe... Chan790 Jul 2016 #11
Funny. I am thinking the same. Have nothing to base it one but a hunch. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #52
I think it will probably be Tom Vilsack. And I am still not ruling out Xavier Becerra. (eom) StevieM Jul 2016 #13
Xavier Becerra lunamagica Jul 2016 #14
I'm tending to think it will be Beccera. morningfog Jul 2016 #15
He would be the best choice, imho. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #39
I love Becerra and he would be my first choice. But it looks like she is going StevieM Jul 2016 #51
I had such high hopes on it being Warren. But I just read today that she asked to speak on the AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #16
I am really sad to hear it isn't Warren. musicblind Jul 2016 #17
Same here. Haven't heard Stavridis speak Hortensis Jul 2016 #22
Thanks for the link. Hadn't seen that. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #38
Interesting, all right. Hortensis Jul 2016 #46
Wouldn't that be something? Hortensis, if you haven't listened to his TED TALK, AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #47
I hadn't and now have, thank you. Hortensis Jul 2016 #48
I feel the same. Kaine isn't very exciting. Maybe he hasn't been given a chance yet to really shine? AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #36
It might be genuine but it COULD be a smokescreen until they see who Trump picks. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #23
It could. There's still hope.... AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #37
I doubt that Trump would pick a military person, who would also be an untested politician like him. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #40
Tom Perez, maybe? BainsBane Jul 2016 #18
It very well could be him. Perez or Becerra. morningfog Jul 2016 #30
Tom Vilsack oberliner Jul 2016 #19
I don't like the idea of a unknown military being in the executive. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #21
I think all the names being floated are, DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #24
She needs to pick someone who is going to generate a little bit of excitement. Vinca Jul 2016 #25
Julian Castro! (nt) apnu Jul 2016 #26
Just because Kaine says it won't be him doesn't mean it won't be and also book_worm Jul 2016 #27
Sure, anything is possible. But I would bet money it won't be either morningfog Jul 2016 #28
Not sure! Lots of good & interesting choices! Her Sister Jul 2016 #29
Kaine doubles down on "change = bad; status quo = good" which wins no votes but loses many. Vote2016 Jul 2016 #31
Bullshit. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #44
On what issue is Kaine to the left of Obama (who is the status quo)? Vote2016 Jul 2016 #49
If I had to guess, I would anticipate someone NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #33
Claire McCaskill is from Missouri, not California. SheilaT Jul 2016 #55
Not Kaine please. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #34
There would be few who would have a pro gay past. More important is where they are now. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #41
Almost everyone has evolved on this. Don't be so single-issue. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #45
Picking Kaine would be a huge boon to Jill Stein and brings exactly zero votes to the table. Kaine Vote2016 Jul 2016 #50
Kaine voted to Fast Track the TPP. The only people he impressed with that vote were his donors. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #56
Bernie voteearlyvoteoften Jul 2016 #35
 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
2. I honestly don't know.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jul 2016

The only ones who do know, are the candidates who are being vetted, the Clintons, and their lawyer.

There are probably surprises on her list that are not on anyone's radar.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
4. My guess is still Kaine. Just seems like the "safe pick" and running against Trump
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jul 2016

there's a logic to going safe.

 

Night Watchman

(743 posts)
20. "I don't expect to be picked"
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:54 AM
Jul 2016

Boilerplate for soon-to-be running mates.

But I'm still betting on Perez!

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
5. Booker and Kaine are awful and pokes in the eyes of progressives.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:53 AM - Edit history (1)

Brown will cost us a very important Senate seat.

Castro and Perez haven't distinguished themselves. They would waste the bully pulpit.

And, I figured out why the media has been pushing Perez: He is a strong supporter of the TPP.

I strongly doubt that she'll surprise the world and pick Sanders.

And, with that list, plus the chemistry that Hillary and Warren have when they campaigned together, I can't really think of who else would be Hillary's VP choice.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
12. She needs someone capable of taking over the country in case something happens to her.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jul 2016

Castro doesn't cut the mustard. Not even slightly.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
32. Castro was also part of the smear campaign against Sanders on immigration issues.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:25 AM
Jul 2016

So picking him would also be a poke in the eye of Sanders supporters.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
43. I was for Juluan Castro, but now I like Xavier Becerra. He has all of Castros' pluses, but he is a
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jul 2016

more solid candidate.

Also, he is fully bilingual, which is not a requirement, but it sure is a plus!

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
9. I'm rooting for Kaine...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jul 2016

as long as there's no shady financials. Rachel's clip of him being interviewed in Spanish tonight was pretty incredible as well.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
11. Based on nothing but a vibe...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jul 2016

I think it's down to two people between Perez and Stavridis. Both seem to be being floated by the campaign to media and I've seen major-media profiles on both within the past 24 hours. So I have a feeling this is the final two options they're weighing; whichever isn't chosen is probably getting a major administration post. This would be the common way to float trial balloons to test how a pick would be received.

Tim Kaine was seemingly floated earlier this week and I think they disliked the read they got on feedback to that balloon.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
52. Funny. I am thinking the same. Have nothing to base it one but a hunch.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jul 2016

I think it will be Perez or Stravridis too. More the latter, but we shall see....

StevieM

(10,494 posts)
51. I love Becerra and he would be my first choice. But it looks like she is going
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jul 2016

in a different direction.

My money is on Tom Vilsack.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
16. I had such high hopes on it being Warren. But I just read today that she asked to speak on the
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 02:34 AM
Jul 2016

First day of convention. VP's dont speak on the first day typically. So, I am a little (ok. A lot) bummed.

Since it doesn't appear to be Warren, I have no idea. If I just HAD to pick someone, it will be the admiral, stradvirus (I am pretty sure i totally killed that spelling).

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
17. I am really sad to hear it isn't Warren.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:30 AM
Jul 2016

She was my top hope.

I really don't want it to be Kaine. I don't hate Kaine or anything, but I don't think he will energize people. She needs to ENERGIZE people. Warren is an amazing speaker and would have been perfect for that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Same here. Haven't heard Stavridis speak
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:45 AM
Jul 2016

but I just read a couple things, one by and one about him, and he's a very interesting guy. The antithesis of the neocon crowd. Wonder what they'd be like together.

That she's looking at him suggests she's very concerned about the promise of a great deal of further unrest in the world due to global warming and disappearing fresh water over the next 8 years. Dealing with world crises piling on each other could easily take all her time.

Still like Perez a lot, and Tim Kaine's probably far more redoubtable than I realize, but...the admiral is interesting.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2013/07/25/recently-retired-nato-commander-james-stavridis-on-conflict-resolution

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
38. Thanks for the link. Hadn't seen that.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jul 2016

If there is going to be an increased military presence, his approach and perspective will be interesting. He sounds like a thinker and doer who gets the big picture. We shall see. Will be interesting for sure.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. Interesting, all right.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jul 2016

We could become an anti-war saint and still potentially be busier militarily than at any time since the last world war.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. I hadn't and now have, thank you.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jul 2016

I'd really like to hear him talk at a more detailed level, but this was inspiring and a nice look at him. It'd be an honor to be his friend.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
36. I feel the same. Kaine isn't very exciting. Maybe he hasn't been given a chance yet to really shine?
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jul 2016

That is what I am hoping anyways.

Warren is electric! Not only is she a force in her own right, but choosing her can translate to downline success as well. That was part of my hope. There has been some speculation that she would outshine Hillary. I find that just offensive. We CAN have 2 powerful and accomplished women working together. She would be quite an asset for the Hillary Presidency. We shall see.....

OnDoutside

(19,863 posts)
23. It might be genuine but it COULD be a smokescreen until they see who Trump picks.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:42 AM
Jul 2016

They could always change her to later in the week.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
37. It could. There's still hope....
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jul 2016

But I am not holding my breath. Trump is suddenly adding a general to the vetting mix. They must have some information that is lending them to look at someone with military experience.

I don't know. Total speculation. Just a hunch. But maybe they anticipate an increased military presence?

OnDoutside

(19,863 posts)
40. I doubt that Trump would pick a military person, who would also be an untested politician like him.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jul 2016

I think the Clinton campaign are just covering the bases.

LiberalFighter

(50,046 posts)
21. I don't like the idea of a unknown military being in the executive.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:00 AM
Jul 2016

Actually any military.

I don't see Vilsack offering anything to the campaign.

I am thinking that just because Warren is slotted to speak first doesn't mean she is out. Things could change. Or it could be a planned surprise to make people believe she isn't the pick.

If Kaine was Hispanic himself I would be right with him. But he isn't. I'm leaning more toward Perez. I wish Castro had more in his resume.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
24. I think all the names being floated are,
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:46 AM
Jul 2016

for the most part, smoke screens. I think she's had someone specific in mind all along, but is waiting to see what the Rethugs do before she makes a final decision.

Vinca

(50,080 posts)
25. She needs to pick someone who is going to generate a little bit of excitement.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:04 AM
Jul 2016

Okay . . . a whole lot of excitement. I'm still in Warren's corner, but I don't think it will happen.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
27. Just because Kaine says it won't be him doesn't mean it won't be and also
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:18 AM
Jul 2016

the Clinton campaign went to great length to say that just because EW has a early speaking slot doesn't eliminate her from the VP stakes.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
29. Not sure! Lots of good & interesting choices!
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jul 2016

Have not heard about James Stavridis being a choice before. He seems very smart and experienced in both military and the law.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
33. If I had to guess, I would anticipate someone
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jul 2016

who will generate interest among the heavy campaign donor class like possibly

- Joe Manchin of WV
- Joe Donnelly of IN
- Claire McCaskill of CA

Chris Matthews has even mentioned a few times that Hillary should choose Kasich, so who knows...perhaps he had some inside info?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
55. Claire McCaskill is from Missouri, not California.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

I'm very unimpressed with her as Senator. I used to live on the Kansas side of the border, near Kansas City, MO, so I was aware of her as she held various elective offices and ran for others.

Plus, at 62 she's too close in age to Clinton. I want to see the VP pick at least a decade younger than Hillary.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
34. Not Kaine please.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jul 2016

Tired of that entire spectrum of mealy mouthed and biased politicians with the anti gay past history.

 

Vote2016

(1,198 posts)
50. Picking Kaine would be a huge boon to Jill Stein and brings exactly zero votes to the table. Kaine
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

would be a confession that Hillary fears being upstaged and that fear drove her VP selection. Picking Kaine is a surrender to the lack of confidence. We win with Kaine (maybe?) in 2016 but Hillary-Kaine loses to Ryan on 2020.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
56. Kaine voted to Fast Track the TPP. The only people he impressed with that vote were his donors. (nt)
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jul 2016
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