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Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:36 AM

My fellow Bernie supporters.

Ok my fellow Bernie supporters, it's time to move on to the next phase.

I realize none better how painful it is for the dream candidate to concede. Particularly for those of you who are new to politics and are witnessing their first real campaign. I have to tell you that this happens just about every cycle. The best guy rarely wins. Thus the phrase "you fall in love in the primary and fall in line for the general". The sad part of this particular one is that if anyone at all foresaw the kind of support Sanders was going to receive, there would have been a much more concerted effort to see people change registrations to get the votes necessary to take the nomination. Alas, it was not to be.

But it's not for us to despair here. Bernie has fought for and gotten many of the issues that matter to us into the Democratic platform. We got the public option to expand health care on there, we got the tuition free public college on there, we got minimum wage, we got campaign finance reform and dragged the party back toward the left on other issues. It's a win for us, we should be proud of what we've accomplished.

So, now is not the time to be shortsighted and foolish, now is the time to play the long game. The most important thing is to keep the tiny handed, thin skinned, racist angry yam from getting anywhere near the levers of power. A complete know nothing amateur such as he would be a disaster for the country.

One need only look at the results from 2001-2009 to know that we simply cannot afford a person of such shallow intellect and inexperience to be anywhere near the Oval Office. Let's face it, as boorish and embarrassing as he was, compared to Trump, Bush is a sophisticated statesman. It's that bad.

Yes, Secretary Clinton is an imperfect candidate. Yes, she's a little too much of a neo-lib in her policies but there simply is no viable alternative if you care about progress at all. No, she's not the perfect across the board progressive we all want but she's also not the iniquitous villain she's portrayed as by the right wing hate machine that's been relentlessly attacking her for twenty-five years. All those phoney scandals, many of which have sadly been repeated by those on the left in this primary, have amounted to nothing. Like it or not, like her or not, she truly is imminently qualified and probably more prepared to step into the job than anyone in history.

Now, if we want the revolution to continue we need to vote for candidates who will carry that platform out. We can't cut and run or stamp our feet because we didn't get everything we want and allow the far right crazies to continue to hold power in the congress. And further, we need to commit to running Sanders style candidates in every race for every office from now on. We need to take this party over from the bottom up and if we can't jettison all of the corporate whores, we can hold their feet to the fire and make them very uncomfortable. That's the long game.

This is particularly important because a Trump presidency with a teabagger congress means massive damage, if not the outright abolition of, social security and Medicare, massive damage to health care, massive damage to services for the poor and needy, ignoring climate change, an end to the right to organize and collectively bargain, massive deregulation of Wall Street which will lead to another horrific recession, more pointless tax cuts for rich people and all the usual failed trickle down policies from the past four decades that have brought the middle class to its knees. And then there is the disastrous foreign policy Trump envisions. He casually speaks of torturing people, of murdering the innocent family members of terror suspects, of handing out nukes to countries that have never had them and destroying relationships with our allies as he praises dictators.

And if that isn't enough to convince you, the Supreme Court is everything in this election. If women's rights, workers' rights, LGBT rights, voting rights, money in politics, health care and the seperation of church and state, progressive values all, matter one bit to you, you'll vote for the person who will keep these things intact and work to expand them. The person who will appoint judges who will adjudicate fairly and according to the Constitution. I certainly do not want to spend the next thirty years living under the thumb of the far right Christian Taliban. That is what is at stake in the judicial branch.

So, in conclusion, I get the disappointment, I get the mistrust and I get the cynicism. And if your demand for one hundred percent agreement is more important than the health and security of the country, by all means go vote for someone else. Jill Stein is a fine candidate. But what I have laid out is why Bernie Sanders endorsed Hillary Clinton. It's not because he "sold out". It's not because his life was in danger or any idiotic nonsense like that. It's because he cares about the country, it's because incremental progress is better than regression on a giant scale. It's because we want to continue being the leader of the free world and not reduce ourselves to the level of petty third world tyrants.

We're better than that and that's why we should be with her.

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PeteSelman Jul 2016 OP
seabeyond Jul 2016 #1
awake Jul 2016 #3
seabeyond Jul 2016 #7
awake Jul 2016 #9
seabeyond Jul 2016 #11
awake Jul 2016 #14
seabeyond Jul 2016 #23
ehrnst Jul 2016 #44
Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #6
Post removed Jul 2016 #31
seabeyond Jul 2016 #33
sheshe2 Jul 2016 #53
seabeyond Jul 2016 #54
lunamagica Jul 2016 #34
SalviaBlue Jul 2016 #39
seabeyond Jul 2016 #43
BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #59
aikoaiko Jul 2016 #57
BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #2
jcgoldie Jul 2016 #8
BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #37
greatauntoftriplets Jul 2016 #50
PeteSelman Jul 2016 #28
Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #4
riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #5
thucythucy Jul 2016 #12
riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #15
KMOD Jul 2016 #19
riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #21
KMOD Jul 2016 #24
riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #26
BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #38
riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #41
BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #45
KMOD Jul 2016 #56
nolawarlock Jul 2016 #46
rbrnmw Jul 2016 #16
riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #17
rbrnmw Jul 2016 #18
riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #25
rbrnmw Jul 2016 #27
riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #36
George II Jul 2016 #55
PeteSelman Jul 2016 #29
Orsino Jul 2016 #10
840high Jul 2016 #35
MADem Jul 2016 #58
snooper2 Jul 2016 #13
PeteSelman Jul 2016 #30
nolawarlock Jul 2016 #47
LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #20
awake Jul 2016 #22
LexVegas Jul 2016 #32
PeteSelman Jul 2016 #40
Cal33 Jul 2016 #42
Philly-Union-Man Jul 2016 #48
cosmicone Jul 2016 #49
Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #51
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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:40 AM

1. How many days are we going to have to listen to Sanders owning the Democratic positions,

 

Taking ownership of our Democratic party, and a little dissing of Clinton along the way, Democratic as a whole along the way, with a smile on our face, to not hurt feelers?

This is getting old, in a very short time. I have been patient in the last 24 hours, but this is like the 6, 7, 8th Op or more taking ownership of our Democratic party, that he has no right to that ownership, building himself up, at our expense.

Enough. !!!

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:49 AM

3. The Democratic Party is owned once again by the people not wall street

the New Deal that FDR started has been reborn and I for one am taking Hillary's word that she will support our new platform. What I believe Bernie wanted more then to be in the Whitehouse is to return our party to its roots which he has done and now he is going to help Hillary win this fall.

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Response to awake (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:05 AM

7. Fact: Most of what Sanders claims as his is Clinton's and the Democratic long held position.

 

Sanders does not today, nor 15 months ago, get to own what Democrats have been fighting for, for decades.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:19 AM

9. I'm really not sure what the hart of your beef is

Do you not want Bernie's supporters to get behind Hillary? What is wrong with people feeling that they are being heard and wanting to be involved in this party? If you are not interested in hearing or reading what some one who was a Bernie backer has to say then you do not need to read their thread. The Primary is over Hillary won so lets us all get together and defeat Trump and stop bashing each other.

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Response to awake (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:24 AM

11. Re defining who the Democratic party is, and what they stand for, to create them as less, to make

 

another feel good works for none of us. Sanders did not get to own the Democratic positions we worked hard for 15 months ago, and he does not get to own them now. Why must we pump his ego at the expense of others. Why can we not embrace and welcome what he did, without belittling others that have not earned it.

Clinton has held these positions and fought for them always. I won't pretend otherwise.

It only has to create an illusion that both parties are the same, which is a lie, not factually correct and harms the democratic party.

Seeing how we are a part of the Democratic party, on a Democratic board, supporting our Democratic nominee, I think we should be allowed to OWN what Clinton has put out as her policy and has fought so hard for.

No, Sanders does not get credit for her work.

No, Sanders does not get credit for the Democratic Parties work.

He gets to own his work.

Why do you need more, why do you think that would be fair, to just make others feel good at our expense?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:36 AM

14. Well I am sorry if you feel that the work that Bernie and his 2 million backers

have been up to some how has cost you something and I am sorry if you feel a loss by this post, that is not how I read it.

In my mind Bernie has helped return this party to its roots he has embraced Hillary and is asking his supporters to do the same.
I have not always been clear as others have as to where Hillary stands on some issues and I am glad the we now have a clear statement in writing as to what this party stands for this year. I am very happy that Hillary is backing the party platform which included hard work by many including Bernie but he clearly did not do it by himself.

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Response to awake (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:02 AM

23. Standing strong on Clinton and Democratic party positions should be expected.

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:53 PM

44. Thank you. (nt)

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:02 AM

6. The 'we' in your rhetoric seems to think it is the owner of the Party, which is really

 

ego tripping.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:52 AM

33. Owning our position and not allowing another to own our position so we cannot be defined by

 

a lie is being an asshole?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:20 PM

53. They are gone.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #53)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:34 PM

54. Well, good to hear. I have never heard so many people demanding one allow the credit for all.

 

Truly, this surprises the shit out of me. I was just thinking that, man, do they not get what that says to all of us?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:19 PM

34. + one million, Seabeyond! I've been biting my toungue, but enough is enough!

You'd think he's the nominee!

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:13 PM

39. You might want to get used to it.

Bernie owns now what he has always owned. He has every right to ownership of his positions. He is and has always been steadfast.

The idea that he it trying to build himself up is ridiculous and indicates your personal opinion of something you cannot know... his motivation.

Bernie is good for Hillary's candidacy and good for Democrats. I can't get "enough" of it. I want more!!!!

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Response to SalviaBlue (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:45 PM

43. He can own it along with Clinton and the Democrats. You do not see anyone of them saying, Me Me Me,

 

I am the sole Democratic voice, do you? Of course not.

What he is doing is once again creating negativity that he got rid of with his endorsement. And the reason he did that endorsement was because he was getting horrible coverage.

No, he does not get to own Democratic policy any more than the whole of us do.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #43)

Thu Jul 14, 2016, 04:00 AM

59. +1! eom

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:21 PM

57. What part of the OP is claiming Bernie owns the Democratic party?


I read this OP as a long-winded attempt to ask Bernie supporters to support HRC even if they don't like her.

I think such an OP is unnecessary, but I don't see what you see.

Maybe its my Berniebro cool shades.

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:48 AM

2. "Jill Stein is a fine candidate??" What part of the new ToS isn't sinking in?

 

What part about this site being to promote the DEMOCRATIC candidate isn't translating?

FFS, this is beyond ridiculous.

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Response to BobbyDrake (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:10 AM

8. Jill Stein is unqualified to run for dog catcher

Plus she's an asshole.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:03 PM

37. Of course she's an asshole. That's beside the point. What is bullshit is that people here continue

 

to promote her as an alternate to the Democratic nominee. WTF were the terms revised for if no one is going to enforce them?

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:24 PM

50. I wouldn't trust her with my dog!

If I had one. I just don't trust her.

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Response to BobbyDrake (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:28 AM

28. I thought about taking that out.

But if you read the previous sentence you should be fine with its inclusion.

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:55 AM

4. Excellent post.

 

A handful of her supporters and a handful of his will begrudge the process and the fact of Party but those people are neither numerous nor influential.

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:01 AM

5. Do you believe climate change will wait for "incremental" change? Serious question nt

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:25 AM

12. Probably not.

Do you believe a Trump presidency will do ANYTHING to combat climate change, considering Trump has said he believes it to be a liberal hoax? Also a very serious question.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:36 AM

15. Nope. Bottom line is the planet is now irrevocably fucked. nt.

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:49 AM

19. Tom Steyer disagrees with you.

 

"Hillary Clinton is an experienced leader who will lead us to victory because she embodies the best values of our country. She will put the needs of working families first. She will be fearless in her pursuit of solutions to the most urgent challenges we face," Steyer said in a statement. "She will move us rapidly towards becoming 'the clean energy superpower of the 21st century,' with inclusive prosperity and a better future for all."


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/tom-steyer-endorses-hillary-clinton-

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Response to KMOD (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:58 AM

21. Ah well then, billionaire hedge fund guy v scientists.

 

SMH

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:11 AM

24. lol

 

He views Climate Change as the number one issue facing the world and has spent millions of dollars as an environmental activist.

Steyer v you

SMH

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Response to KMOD (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:19 AM

26. Oh I know Tom Steyer.

 

Really. I know him personally. One of my clients works for him so yeah, I'm comfortable with my comment.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:05 PM

38. "One of my clients works for him." That's not what it means to know somebody.

 

But if playing 6 degrees of Tom Steyer is what gets you through the day, go for it, I guess.

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Response to BobbyDrake (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:35 PM

41. Lol, ok. I've been to their house and partied with him several times.

 

Since the environment is one of my biggest issues, and his, we've had a few conversations together.

So he's not an intimate friend but he's definitely more than a passing acquaintance.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #41)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 02:57 PM

45. Sure, great story, so sure it's real. Did I mention l'm the 5th Beatle?

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #41)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:51 PM

56. So what disagreements do you have with him?

 

Since you dismissed him up thread, and said you stand by your comment that he is in disagreement with climate change scientists, even though he is a huge supporter for climate change activism, what do you two disagree about at the parties at his house?

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:19 PM

46. Nice ...

Isn't it great that you can keep dishing out vague one liners bashing our candidate but they're all just this side of vague enough that none stand alone enough to merit and alert. Why don't you just stop fighting our candidate?

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:36 AM

16. rider what will happen in a Trump Presidency?

Do you believe he will address Climate Change?

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:39 AM

17. Nope. Do you think climate change will wait for "incremental" steps? nt

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:41 AM

18. No but I do believe we have a better shot

with Hillary in office of doing something along the same lines as President Obama

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:15 AM

25. So you're ok with Obama's support of fracking, coal, ozone standards etc?

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:20 AM

27. No but at least it's something

My idea candidate would be calling RFK Jr. and putting him in charge of Climate Change studies, and follow his recommendations.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/robert-f-kennedy-jr-popes-climate-change-call-moral-imperative

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:38 PM

36. "Something" equals nothing unfortunately, at this stage :(

 

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 08:43 PM

55. You do realize that Hillary Clinton is our candidate, and whatever her policy is will be better....

....than that of Trump's, or any candidate who has the ability to be elected President.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:35 AM

29. No but Trump is a denier.

He's not going to do anything at all.

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:23 AM

10. "It's time" posts are meaningless.

People come along at their own pace, or never. And anyone still hurt and surprised now at an endorsement we've known was coming for months isn't going to be persuaded by a nice post like yours.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:26 PM

35. I find them annoying.

 

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Response to Orsino (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 14, 2016, 02:10 AM

58. It's high time people stopped posting "It's time" posts!

That was a joke, to lighten the rather heavy and sour mood of this thread....

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:33 AM

13. did you forget which site you are logged into? Oh, and I thought you said this site was "dead"

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511261743#post241


"There will be a lot of disappointed people for sure but I doubt the site dies off. Seriously, you can't kill something that's been dead for quite some time."

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:37 AM

30. It's certainly not what it was ten-fifteen years ago.

Not even close.

Yeah, it's practically dead but I wanted some feedback on this.

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #30)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:20 PM

47. Why ask for feedback from a dead site?

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:57 AM

20. I have said this (more or less) a lot since yesterday and will say it again.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]I believe in Bernie Sanders, and a part of that is trusting in his judgement. He endorsed Hillary, and as such I will now put my trust in her.

His running has helped pull this party more to the left where it belongs and I am grateful for that. I do not in the least bit regret supporting him. But, he lost. He acknowledged that and then after using his the successes he did have as leverage to get needed consessions out of the Democratic party, he endorsed the best candidate to defeat Trump.

The fact that she has also been endorsed by people like Russ Feingold, Elizabeth Warren, and John Lewis only makes that point clearer.

But most importantly to me, I can't let this opportunity for the democratic party to reclaim the Supreme court to pass us by. For far too long the republican's have owned that court, and now we have our chance to take it back. There is no way I would ever jeopardize the issues I care most about, civil rights and liberties, just because of small differences between me and her on a handful of issues.

I believe in Bernie, and now I will Trust in Clinton. It is as simple as that.[/font]

EDIT: as for the Green party, their words and positions might be more along the lines of what I believe, but I judge people by their actions more so than their words. Their actions have done nothing except to HURT the causes I believe in, so I reject Jill Stein and the green party completely.

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:02 AM

22. +1000

Well said

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:44 AM

32. Still stings, huh?

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #32)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:35 PM

40. For some, yes.

Thus my soothing tone.

I've been good with it since the last primary. It is what it is.

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:42 PM

42. Bernie is everything you said about him. And I also agree with most of your opinions about

 

Hillary. In addition, I think she isn't as afraid of fighting back against the Republicans as
some of our top Democratic leaders seem to be.

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:26 PM

48. Hear hear!

 

Well stated. The stakes are too high for selfishness to rule the day and we need all hands on deck. Hillary Clinton is the only choice now and I intend to honor Bernie's wishes by doing all I can to get her elected.

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:36 PM

49. It's a bit patronizing and a bit presumptuous

 

however, I applaud the tone of unity in general.

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 06:41 PM

51. Nobody should sit around...

...and wait for "the perfect candidate." It either never or hardly ever happens. Bernie and I will vote for Hillary!

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Response to PeteSelman (Original post)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:13 PM

52. totally agree with you

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