Hillary won the primary, but still gave everyone $15 min wage. Its her VP pick, WHOEVER it is.

[ericson00]

PERIOD.

Be grateful.

[CrowCityDem]

1. The thing I laught at are their claims that THEY are Hillary's base.

[NurseJackie]

5. It's clear to me that some people do not understand what "base" means in that context.

It refers to the loyal and dependable and dedicated Democratic voters... which is something that many of them are definitely NOT. And that's not an insult either ... it's something that they proudly brag about. You know: "no compromise", "vote not for sale", "not beholden to any party", "won't be told how to vote", "votes for the issues, not the party", "vote must be earned", "not-voting is a vote" (whatever that means).

[think]

9. Apparently you haven't been reading the NUMEROUS responses by long term Democratic voters here

who are fed up & tired of a rigged economic system where the corporations are continuously coddled and given the key to the castle.

The Wall Street banks have a long record of screwing over the American people and it needs to end. PLENTY of examples can be provided if necessary. Here's just a couple off the top:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-banks-rigging-lawsuit-idUSKCN0WU1E8

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/goldman-sachs-agrees-pay-more-5-billion-connection-its-sale-residential-mortgage-backed

You might be happy as peaches but that doesn't mean all Democratic voters are. Millions lost jobs and homes in the last economic downturn while the banks that helped cause the disaster got bailed out.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36231884/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/t/study-million-households-lost-recession/#.V5JOLbiAOko

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news/economy/jobs_gone_forever/

Income inequality is at levels not seen since the great depression:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/1110/Economic-inequality-in-the-US-reaches-levels-not-seen-since-Great-Depression


If the establishment doesn't feel these individuals are part of the base after voting for Democrats for decades that's very unfortunate for the future of the party....

[Hortensis]

26. Think, roughly 80% of Bernie's voters always had Hillary in their

pocket as a second choice and moved as a matter of course to her camp when he won. Since then, another several percent of Bernie voters have decided to support her and are satisfied that she has responded to and mostly met the significant demand for additional progressive solutions.

The remaining 15 or so % of Bernie supporters are made up of
* some progressives who will probably eventually vote for Hillary, or not,
* the left's counterparts to the "lock-her-up" crowd at the GOP convention,
* a bunch of conservatives who never intended to vote for Bernie for president and are gone.

You might note that that 85-90% of Bernie/and now Hillary supporters do not think gaining 80% of what they want somehow constitutes failure. They think they've mostly won and are basically set.

Hillary has to make sure she keeps those who have joined her satisfied, but they'll accept the VP of her choice even if not pleased, and the rest will go whatever ways they choose. Fantasies of special wooing and concessions just for the intransigents are just that.

[dflprincess]

30. Resigning oneself to filling in the circle by her name

as the only way to stop Trump, really isn't the same as "moving into her camp".

The Bernie people I know still don't like her, don't support her and really wish they didn't feel like we have to vote for her - and I'm referring to long time party activists.

The Republican hate fest this week was making this an easier pill to swallow, but then she announces her VP pick, making it clear that her "move" to the left was a sham and that she'd rather appeal to Bush-type Republicans than members of her own party.

[Hortensis]

31. Well, most are happy enough and, of course,

some are resigned. What do you expect? A proper nation with over 150 million voters would be able to give everyone just what they want?

We have to win this election, and we simply cannot blow off millions of potential voters from toward the middle to placate a handful of rigid ideologues. Personally, I'd rather go your direction, but that is just not in the cards. We have to win.

And whether you like it or not, our elected officials are supposed to serve the interests and wishes of everyone. Not just Bernie's self-centered fringe, or those awful citizens on the right who yammer about taking "their" country back.

[insta8er]

25. Ah...I see, you mean blindly following, lock step, not looking at the issues or the persons

credibility. Conforming to the opinion of the group even when it goes against something you were against a couple of months before. Yeah understood..Basically anyone who does not agree with the majority....I can see where that makes total sense.

[Grey Lemercier]

29. this! ^^^^^^^^^^

They will never be satisfied. They also exist in a bubble where they think most people in the USA are consumed with politics. I trust Clinton and Kaine explicitly to do an OUTSTANDING job at running the country.

As for the purists, let us see how happy they would be under a Trump presidency with TRUMP APPOINTING up to 5 Supreme court justices.

[farmboy]

10. Easier to laugh and ignore than to listen and consider others views.

You and your claims are so wrong this time it isn't laughable. I am the base. I vote EVERY TIME polling locations are open. For DEMOCRATS. I will again. But I will not put forth the GOTV effort I usually do when I feel let down and laughed at by my own party.

Don't group me in with Sanders supporters or others that many write off as being hurt or childish or any other word to belittle. I have long been mainstream to left-leaning Democratic party. I am a progressive but not an obstinate. I do know that Hillary Clinton, my candidate, is not as progressive as many in our party, and has many supporters because of that fact. But we have lots of views and perspectives here.

Please stop trying to embarrass and write off and condescend to the large faction of Democrats and their voters who would like to be represented in our highest levels of government by others to the left of Sec. Clinton, like they are. Nothing wrong with that. Perhaps it would even be a healthy, progressive, forward way to go.

[CrowCityDem]

12. Wanting is fine. Demanding and threatening not to vote aren't.

[farmboy]

13. BS on the "demanding and threatening". I have done neither. Your lies won't shut me up

[CrowCityDem]

14. I make a generalized statement, and you assume it's all about you. It wasn't.

[farmboy]

15. You were replying to me. And there are many others like me, so careful with the generalizations.

[CrowCityDem]

19. The generalization was in my first reply, which was before you got involved.

[NCTraveler]

17. Yeah. That was a little strange.... and uncomfortable.

[NurseJackie]

23. More than just a little. It seems to me ...

... that the primary isn't over for everyone yet. But, I remain hopeful that things will get better soon.

#FeelTheUnityEventually

#ItsHerChoice

#HillaryDecides

[NCTraveler]

24. "I remain hopeful that things will get better soon. "

Things are looking pretty good. As a Democrat we know that complete unity will never be possible. It really is a pretty big tent. Sometimes you just have to tell your crazy uncle to fuck off even though you love him.

[NWCorona]

2. I thought Hillary supported the $15 wage

It is her choice but I think people should be free to voice their own opinion.

[ericson00]

4. its one thing voice opinion, its another the threaten non-voting

as some people here are.

[Wounded Bear]

16. She proposed a $12 min wage at first...

Probably what we'll end up getting. But you have to shoot high ($15) or you don't get anything.

[annavictorious]

18. She proposed starting at $12 in certain regions and moving up to $15.

It was a nuanced position from a woman who was a senator from a large state with both rural areas and major cities.

[Wounded Bear]

20. Thanks, I wasn't aware of the details of her plan...

I just knew she was for a decent increase. I kind of agree with that proposal, actually. I don't have a problem with some areas being a bit lower, but $7.25 is a bad joke being played on the American public.

But hey, Negotiations 101 says you ask for more than you need, and maybe the final compromise fits what you want.

[flor-de-jasmim]

3. You make it sound as though she has compromised a principle.

BE GRATEFUL? I thought we were past those kinds of comments here.

[B Calm]

7. Well said! +1

[Bluenorthwest]

6. The pick will in part define her intentions. Kaine was virulently anti gay and acted upon

his bigotry when in office, signing anti-equality laws he'd promised as candidate to veto. It's heartbreaking that he's even in the running. If his past included the same words and actions pointed at any other minority group he would not be in the running.

[ismnotwasm]

11. What laws did he sign?

I was looking this up and get a picture of someone who certainly wasn't what I would call Gay friendly--he seemed to shy away from the "marriage" word, but then seemed to have a change of heart, now scoring 90% on Human Rights Campaign's Congressional Scorecard.

[annavictorious]

21. What are you talking about?

Like Obama, Clinton, and Sanders, Kaine's views on marriage have evolved.
Sanders himself was only against DOMA on state's rights grounds and was quite happy to leave it at civil unions in Vermont, so even he doesn't pass your purity test.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/03/sanders-evolving-and-wishy-washy-stance-on-same-sex-marriage/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-gay-marriage_us_569fcc4de4b0a7026bf9e06f

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html

http://www.advocate.com/election/2016/7/21/clintons-vp-possibilities-and-their-lgbt-rights-records

[Hortensis]

27. Kaine has never been "virulently" anything.

In case you're tossing this word around not realizing, it means:

"Bitterly hostile. Synonyms: vitriolic, malicious, malevolent, hostile, spiteful, venomous, vicious, vindictive, bitter, sharp, rancorous, acrimonious, scathing, caustic, withering, nasty, savage, harsh"

From the WashPost:

At the same time, Republicans acknowledge that Kaine is not an easy target. “It’s hard to find any flies on Tim Kaine,” said former congressman Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). “He’s a thoroughly honest and decent man.”

[Adrahil]

8. Well, sure it's her pick, but I certainly have an opinion about it.

Not sure what the purpose of this post is.

I think Kaine would be a fairly weak choice, but it's not like I won;t vote for her because of it.

[Her Sister]

22. I trust the nominee to pick HER running mate!

A lot of great DEMS to choose from! What a fantastic problem!

[TSIAS]

28. Absolutely

Fuck the little people. I hope that's on a placard at the convention.

[NorthCarolina]

32. Hillary never mentioned that she supports a $15 minimum wage.

Even in her appearance with Bernie she never mentioned $15/hr. She said "give folks a living wage", but stopped short of mentioning the "$15/hr" part. It may be in the platform, but the platform is not binding on the candidate, and she has not ever emphatically stated that she will fight for $15. She was (and likely still is) reluctantly with advocating for $12/hr, and she was backed into supporting that by the Sanders campaign. I understand touting the Dem candidate, but lets keep it real in doing so.