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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:00 PM Jul 2016

Have I been catapulted back in time to the land of McCarthyism?

I am in no way defending the GOP or Drumpf. What I am doing is asking everyone to use discretion when repeating the story that Wikileaks/Assange are controlled by the Russians, who in turn are working with Drumpf. Do you realize how much power we're giving Drumpf, and the GOP, by promoting such a story?

It's precarious ground to tread, but I understand why Democrats are doing it - to move past the hack and the black eye, so we can have a positive, cohesive convention and win the election.

What I'm seeing and hearing is disturbing, coming from Democrats (this is something we've seen the other side do, many times).

If there's solid evidence of collusion and I've missed it please post it in this thread, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

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Have I been catapulted back in time to the land of McCarthyism? (Original Post) Avalux Jul 2016 OP
Yes onecaliberal Jul 2016 #1
Its the most complex conspiracy ever...if we're to believe Mook Press Virginia Jul 2016 #2
it's very likely true, and it's a huge story if true. Hard to overstate how huge geek tragedy Jul 2016 #3
And it has teeth JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #12
Not a 'red scare' at all. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #4
Proof? Thanks. n/t Avalux Jul 2016 #5
Proof? yallerdawg Jul 2016 #6
Quit playing. Avalux Jul 2016 #7
Question: "Have I been catapulted back in time to the land of McCarthyism?" yallerdawg Jul 2016 #8
THANK YOU. mylye2222 Jul 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author tralala Jul 2016 #10
I think it highlights Trump's lack of power. Orsino Jul 2016 #11
The Trump-Russian connection is sounding bigger than just the wikileaks story. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2016 #13
Post hoc propter id. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #14
OP. what would show is that Treacherous Trump would sell out America for personal gain. Doodley Jul 2016 #15
The possibility we are watching a major candide.... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #16
Where are the Wikileaks of TRUMP'S emails and the RNC's emails? Why only Democrats? Answer me that. Hekate Jul 2016 #17
 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
2. Its the most complex conspiracy ever...if we're to believe Mook
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

and still doesn't change the fact that there was some shady activity going on inside the DNC.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. it's very likely true, and it's a huge story if true. Hard to overstate how huge
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jul 2016

a US presidential candidate from a major party coordinating with a foreign power's intelligence services is.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. Proof?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jul 2016

What are you questioning?

Trump and Putin are fascists?

Trump and Putin are oligarchs?

Or Trump and Putin have similar goals?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. Question: "Have I been catapulted back in time to the land of McCarthyism?"
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jul 2016

That is what I answered.

Response to Avalux (Original post)

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
11. I think it highlights Trump's lack of power.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jul 2016

The only agenda item Trump's handlers added to the platform was fanservice to Putin?

I suspect we will learn much more about how beholden he is.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,834 posts)
13. The Trump-Russian connection is sounding bigger than just the wikileaks story.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jul 2016

Forget the emails and follow the money.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
14. Post hoc propter id.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jul 2016

"After this because of it."

From June 14th. This is July 25th?

First it's hacked - then emails released just before Democratic National Convention.

Russian government hackers penetrated DNC, stole opposition research on Trump

Russian government hackers penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee and gained access to the entire database of opposition research on GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, according to committee officials and security experts who responded to the breach.

The intruders so thoroughly compromised the DNC’s system that they also were able to read all email and chat traffic, said DNC officials and the security experts.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has spoken favorably about Trump, who has called for better relations with Russia and expressed skepticism about NATO. But unlike Clinton, whom the Russians probably have long had in their spy sights, Trump has not been a politician for very long, so foreign agencies are playing catch-up, analysts say.

“The purpose of such intelligence gathering is to understand the target’s proclivities,” said Robert Deitz, former senior councillor to the CIA director and a former general counsel at the National Security Agency. “Trump’s foreign investments, for example, would be relevant to understanding how he would deal with countries where he has those investments” should he be elected, Deitz said. “They may provide tips for understanding his style of negotiating. In short, this sort of intelligence could be used by Russia, for example, to indicate where it can get away with foreign adventurism.”


Doodley

(9,088 posts)
15. OP. what would show is that Treacherous Trump would sell out America for personal gain.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jul 2016

If that was the story and it gained media attention, Trump would be toast. It would be the biggest political story since, well, I don't know when.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. The possibility we are watching a major candide....
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jul 2016

working with foreign governments and criminal outfits in an attempt to throw an election is huge.

Hekate

(90,669 posts)
17. Where are the Wikileaks of TRUMP'S emails and the RNC's emails? Why only Democrats? Answer me that.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jul 2016
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