2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBradley Marshell, DNC CFO, Should Be Terminated for His Religious Bigotry
I understand that the head of the DNC has resigned. This does not eliminate the personal responsibility of DNC CFO Bradley Marshall in expressing his religious bigotry against Bernie Sanders in an email to DNC colleagues.
Marshall said:
It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.
See: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7643
I think it would be appropriate for the DNC to immediately terminate him from his position.
Marshall's "apology" is completely insufficient: "I deeply regret that my insensitive, emotional emails would cause embarrassment to the DNC, the Chairwoman, and all of the staffers who worked hard to make the primary a fair and open process. The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees. I apologize to those I offended."
He doesn't even bother to express regret for sending the email. Rather he expresses regret that his colleagues are embarrassed. The DNC CEO was apparently not embarrassed when she replied to his religiously bigoted email with a simple reply: "Amen."
floriduck
(2,262 posts)David__77
(23,382 posts)He said: "I deeply regret that my insensitive, emotional emails would cause embarrassment to the DNC, the Chairwoman, and all of the staffers who worked hard to make the primary a fair and open process. The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees. I apologize to those I offended."
https://www.facebook.com/bradley.marshall.904/posts/10210076366333644
That strikes me as bullshit. He regrets that some people were embarrassed - he did not express regret for sending the email itself.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Besides, if you seek to cost someone a shot and the Presidency, what good is an apology at this point, anyway? Especially when you make it only after your mess hits the fan and you are worried about losing your job. This loser deserves no respect.
David__77
(23,382 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Response to emulatorloo (Reply #2)
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David__77
(23,382 posts)He said: "I deeply regret that my insensitive, emotional emails would cause embarrassment to the DNC, the Chairwoman, and all of the staffers who worked hard to make the primary a fair and open process. The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees. I apologize to those I offended."
He didn't even bother to express regret for sending the email. He expressed regret that some people are now embarrassed.
And regardless, I think that he send such a bigoted email in the first place should disqualify him from his position. Of course, the DNC can make its choice on that.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Sanders: I am not an atheist
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289002-sanders-i-am-not-an-atheist
Bernie Sanders Says He's Not an Atheist, Believes in God in His Own Way
http://www.christianpost.com/news/bernie-sanders-atheist-believes-god-156166/
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)By deleting it.
I am an atheist so perhaps I was projecting. Bernie primary supporter.
Would appreciate you if you tone down your attack on me, because I learned almost immediately I was wrong/incorrect and took it down as soon as I could.
Take care and have a good evening.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)His words are chilling and unacceptable. As a person Brad's Southern Baptist 'peeps' would also despise I find it just frightening.
David__77
(23,382 posts)Exactly what I think it terrible in the political backrooms.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)He wants to know if Bernie is an atheist because, well, atheists poll low. But what exactly is the problem with that? We want to know if someone is a {insert group here} rather often.
Is there something about being Jewish (the race) that precludes one from being asked if one practices the racial religion? Or is it some dog whistle I'm missing (as I've literally never known a Jew to my knowledge)?
David__77
(23,382 posts)He wanted someone to publicly ask Sanders about his religious belief because doing so might be politically damaging to Sanders among some religious groups.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Or do you think him saying he was a Jew would have made more people vote against him? The way I read it, the DNC guy (and bear in mind, at this point I would be happiest seeing the entire party apparatus dismantled, so I'm not defending them per se) thought he might get his Southern Baptists - Christians who support Zionism - to not vote Bernie if he wasn't Jewish. You know, like a 'Support the Jews' thing that most Christians have.
Ah well. Nothing major, just something I noticed that struck me as odd. Maybe I'm just misreading it, too (or, more specifically, imprinting my own interpretations on the phrases and not necessarily someone else's).
merrily
(45,251 posts)he (Marshall) might be able to use Sanders' religion (or possible lack thereof) to do that.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)their biases. This should disgust everyone.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...but I wasn't ever a baptist. I've always thought they were Zionist-supporters like most of the other Pentecostal variants.
Hrm. If that's indeed what he was doing, then yeah, that'd be disgusting.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Whether Marshall was correct or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that someone whose job requires him to be neutral was trying to sabotage Bernie and, on top of that, wanted to play to religious bigotry to do that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Months ago, on Sunday talk shows, this very issue was being raised. I posted an essay about it, albeit not at DU. Meanwhile, right here on DU, I was responding to posts claiming Sanders could not win because he was an atheist or, "at best" a pantheist.
And you and I both witnessed anti-Semitic posts about Sanders here.
So, either Marshall led the way and the unprincipled were happy to follow, or it was endemic, or both.
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)when they are running for president? I guess in the same eay Bernie refused to turn in tax returns, he should be exempt from those questions too. In many locations being an atheist is a lot worse than being Jewish.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It in the Constitution, both in the First Amendment and where it says there shall be no religious test for the Presidency. I bet it's also in the Democratic platform.
And, btw, unless it's some dangerous cult, ala Jonestown, or one that believes in Establishment, we should not concern ourselves at all with a candidate's religion. Unless there's a good reason it's our business, it's not our business.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)put a lot of value in that.
That's where my statement came from, so why don't you see if you bottle up some of that unprovoked rage & save it for your next big lecture?
merrily
(45,251 posts)It seems weird that you think in terms of rage when someone speaks of the Constitution, the Democratic platform and makes no personal reference to you. Since you went right at me personally, your post seems to me to be a lot more emotional than mine to you.
Oh, well. Takes all kinds to make a world, I guess.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)more hostile than being Jewish. So it's a valid question & one you can guarantee the RNC & rethugs would pounce on. You don't have to like it but it's life in this country & screaming at someone that is simply pointing out facts seems a bit over dramatic.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Marshall needs to apologize and resign effective immediately.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Why do they have to feel insulted that a majority of them or a large segment may be Southern Baptists?
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)This kind of nonsense from Democrats makes me puke. Not only are you pandering to the lowest common denominator, you have no damn clue who we are and what we're like here.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,185 posts)"The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs"
Really? Whose beliefs do they reflect. Your Aunt Edna's?
" nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees."
Yeah, I bet everyone there was jumping all over your ass.
"I apologize to those I offended."
In other words, Brad thinks plenty of Democrats were fine with what he said, but there are some folks who take offense at the silliest things so I'll throw you a bone.
David__77
(23,382 posts)I agree 100%.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)what any Sanders support thinks needs to be done. Clinton has negotiated with them in good faith, Sanders has gotten way more than he has deserved and some of his supporters are still acting like spoiled children.
David__77
(23,382 posts)Thanks for your reply.
treestar
(82,383 posts)He is talking about Southern Baptists and their potential bigotry.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,185 posts)David__77
(23,382 posts)It expressed the intention to create adverse public opinion against Sanders on the basis of Sanders' perceived religion, in my opinion. I understand that others may have different understandings.
treestar
(82,383 posts)David__77
(23,382 posts)I have a different one.