Are the Sanders delegates who walked out losing their credentials?

[brooklynite]

I'd hate to think it was just for show, rather than amateur of principle, and I'm sure the alternates would love the opportunity to vote for the VP choice.

[think]

1. After what the DNC did are you really surprised?

“I don't want to knock Debbie. I've always admired her as a human being, but this is not something the DNC ever should have done,” Dean said. “We had a really strict rule. We are so strict that I did not vote in the Vermont primary at all, because voting for somebody and keeping your mouth shut is not the same as being neutral.”

~Snip~

Dean offered praise for Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), who resigned from her position within the DNC to endorse Sanders and campaign on his behalf as a surrogate. He said Gabbard’s decision to resign was “the right thing to do.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-emails-howard-dean-226199#ixzz4FbpjB8Cu
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-emails-howard-dean-226199

[DanTex]

3. I'm not surprised. The Stein/Naderites have always been GOP stooges.

[think]

5. Always blame everyone else. Tone deaf response as usual.

[Dawgs]

21. Yep. That's all they know. nt

[DanTex]

41. You're the one blaming the DNC for the pro-Trump actions of the Stein/Nader crowd.

[think]

43. The DNC DESERVES blame. There is a reason DWS didn't open the convention or did you forget?

[DanTex]

50. No, the individuals supporting Trump deserve blame. They're choosing to support Trump

of their own free will, they own it. People are responsible for their own actions, not some boogeyman.

[bravenak]

8. Yep

[think]

13. So Howard Dean was wrong in his assessment of what the DNC did?

[bravenak]

14. What has that to do with Naderites and such?

I said nothing about Howard Dean. Your meaning is unclear.

[think]

17. Never mind. Just never mind....

[Cha]

9. Exactly! You are right on point, as usual.

[NurseJackie]

19. Yep! You're absolutely correct!

[baldguy]

4. Let's see 20,000 emails from the Sanders campaign.

We can find the half-dozen most ill-advised messages that cast the organization in the worst light possible, then spend a week harping on them. Then we'll talk.

The DNC emails are the sideshow diversion. The real story is the fact that every indication shows that Putin is behind it, and the fact that he could manipulate people so easily.

[LongtimeAZDem]

39. ^^^^^ (nt)

[ismnotwasm]

53. Exactly

This email crap is annoying.

[B Calm]

12. Nancy Pelosi admitted the DNC gave Hillary an unfare advantage.

In order for the party to unite, we all need to realize this. Nancy understands.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/nancy-pelosi-bernie-sanders-convention-226174

[Demsrule86]

37. She did not say that exactly. Lay such concerns aside is what she said.

“In terms of how the DNC may have treated him along the way, they may have a legitimate complaint,” she said.
Regardless, Pelosi continued, such concerns must be laid aside in the face of a general election rival like Donald Trump.
“Griping about that is a luxury our country cannot afford when we have such a drastic difference between Democrats and Republicans, between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump,” she said."

The primary is over. Our job is to elect Trump.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/nancy-pelosi-bernie-sanders-convention-226174#ixzz4Fc4MGQXv
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[B Calm]

38. They may have a legitimate complaint is admitting.

[pnwmom]

42. It is NOT admitting. It is setting the question aside, at least for now. It's a distraction

from the real crisis. Only about 3 months to defeat Donald Trump.

[G_j]

46. Sounds like a clear English sentence to me.

a simple statement that they may have a legitimate complaint.

[pnwmom]

47. "May" does not equal "does." She is saying to set aside this question till after we defeat Trump. n/

[G_j]

54. I can read

as I said, it was a very simple statement.

[pnwmom]

55. But your comprehension is affected by your inability to understand the meaning of the word "may." nt

[DLCWIdem]

59. may: means could. maybe from their perspective. maybe not from mine.

[Hortensis]

18. If they are actually committed to achieving

the progressive changes they claim, absolutely. They've gotten badly off track. The vast majority are fools who have soaked up propaganda lies about Hillary Clinton and the party and are far more influenced by that destructive negativism than any positive goals Bernie once excited.

Bernie himself is still right on track. His and Hillary's have converged because their goals all lie further down that same track they're both on. And so he has committed to electing her as his best means of ultimately achieving what he intends.

This walkout that sandbagged their own leader as he promoted their revolution in the national spotlight was frankly extremely ignorant, misguided and boorish.

Of course, in lying that the Hillary and the party were totally corrupt, lying that they are totally in business's pockets, and constantly lying that they were stealing the primary elections in many states, Bernie is only getting some of his own back. Unfortunately, these hard-core believers internalized his lies far too much to believe him now when he says, no, these are really the good guys.

[Lord Magus]

48. "What the DNC did" meaning staffers not liking Bernie & telling each other about it.

And honestly I think Dean's position of not voting in the primary when he was DNC chair was silly. Not voting for your favored candidate doesn't mean you don't have one.

[still_one]

56. Should some of the DNC members have voiced their preferences using DNC emails?

Of course not. It was inappropriate.

It is not unlike an employee using his or her companies email to correspond personal opinions, which are negative about his employer's policies, or business affairs to others outside of the company.

It should be noted that nothing in those emails showed any actual interference by the DNC. It would not have changed the results.

The voting, is handled by the individual states.

The DNC's purpose is to provide support for party candidates. It has no authority over elected officials. It is responsible for promoting the Democratic platform. It supervises the national convention, and coordinates with the presidential nominees in raising funds.

[DLCWIdem]

61. kind of like a scientist trying to say he can completely turn off his biases

[liberal N proud]

2. They should

If they don't agree with anything in the convention which it appears they don't why are they there?

[Cha]

6. Didn't they walk about with jill stein?

[giftedgirl77]

11. Yes...

Funny how that part keeps getting neglected.

[Cha]

16. Yes, I wonder why?

gifftedgirl~

[NurseJackie]

20. They certainly did. (That explains a lot.)

And it's doesn't paint a very flattering picture of those individuals, or their intentions, or their motivations.

[Cha]

24. It says to me that they're voting for jill stein and they didn't really belong

there anyway.

So thanks for picking them up and taking them out, stein.

Hey, Jackie!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

45. How do you go from Bernie Sanders to "Doctor" Jill Stein in minutes?

Sad little sheeple.

[glennward]

51. They were really not supporters of Bernie so much as they were against Hillary. nt

[bravenak]

7. I hope they lost them for life

[workinclasszero]

22. Same here

Greens have no business at a democratic convention except to disrupt it and help Trump get elected.

Jill Stein and her purist party are just another arm of the RNC as far as I'm concerned.

[bravenak]

23. Yep. Trump helper have no place at our party

I hope they never get into another convention of ours.

[workinclasszero]

25. I was soo pissed yesterday watching MSNBC

When the convention got underway and they had Jill Stein there, at our convention!

And she proceeded to spew out her damn lies about our party and Hillary!

[bravenak]

27. Like, what was her trip anyway?

Did she HAVE to come to our convention? All she wants is attention at this point and the only way to get it is to troll us democrats at our own convention

[workinclasszero]

29. Yes us! Not the fascist damn republican convention

but the liberal democratic convention!

I swear the Green party is a RNC black ops!

[bravenak]

31. They are secret republicans.

She has been acting way out of pocket for the past few months. I can see why she never ever ever ever ever ever ever wins.

[Demsrule86]

34. How did Jill Stein who is running against Hillary get credentials?

There is no way she belongs at the Democratic convention.

[bravenak]

36. That's what I wanna know? Who invited that troll to our party?

I bet msnbc snuck her ass in for the drama factor

[workinclasszero]

60. I bet that's right!

MSNBC is now Fox news lite

[chwaliszewski]

28. I agree that Green Party members have no business there...

but the possibility exists that they may actually want Jill Stein to win, not get Trump elected. Just saying.

[Demsrule86]

33. Jill Stein can not be elected

Thus a vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.

[workinclasszero]

35. And that is a stone cold fact!

[chwaliszewski]

40. We'll have to disagree about your logic.

Essentially, anything other than a vote for Hillary is a vote for Trump. This would include Jill Stein, writing in Bernie, not voting at all. Is this the message you're conveying? If that's the case, then this would be the same You're either with us or against us that can be found in many other places.

[BobbyDrake]

44. "either you're with us or against us" has nothing to do with the fundamentals of vote counting.

It's a fancy straw man, don't get me wrong, but one has nothing to do with another.

On election day, any vote that is not against Trump is actively helping him win, either by directly supporting him or supporting alternatives that still make his victory likely.

[chwaliszewski]

57. So.......any eligible voter who chooses not to vote at all is helping Trump?

[BobbyDrake]

58. You put words in people's mouths like it's your job or something. Why?

If you can't debate what I actually say, and have to rely on ridiculous rhetorical overkill just to keep up, then don't bother trying.

[chwaliszewski]

63. I'm doing no such thing.

It's this whole concept of If you don't vote for Hillary, you're getting Trump elected BS. If you vote for Trump, THEN you're helping Trump get elected. I'm not voting for Trump, no way, no how. He's a sick, twisted, ignorant narcissist. Conversely, I don't appreciate being guilted into voting for the Democratic nominee. I have been a member here at DU since 2006, have never voted Republican in my life, and don't intend on voting Republican, ever. If I choose to sit this election out because I'm not happy with the slate of choices, then that is my prerogative. I will not be bullied or guilted into anything.

[TwilightZone]

52. "anything other than a vote for Hillary is a vote for Trump"

You could have stopped there. That portion of your post is an accurate assessment of the 2016 presidential race.

[grubbs]

10. They have certainly lost their credibility in any case.

[SaschaHM]

15. They should have.

They walked out with Jill Stein. If they had walked out with Trump or Gary Johnson, my reaction would have been the same.

[Demsrule86]

32. The Greens are the most useless group...

Jill Stein is the worst.

[Orsino]

26. Credentials for what, exactly?

I can understand folks wanting them punished by ejection from the convention, and humiliated in some way, but what more did they expect to accomplish inside?

If they've removed themselves from official party functions, I'm fine with that. Hell, if they're not rioting, I wouldn't even fear their demonstrating further inside. After last night, I think they've been marginalized sufficiently.

[Demsrule86]

30. Good idea in that we don't want them booing Hillary. nt

[Blue Idaho]

49. If they had any honor - they would voluntarily hand them back.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You attend a convention to do the work of the Democratic Party. That's why the Party send you there. It's not a vacation - it's a job. That job includes casting your roll call vote and then - just like any election - accepting the Results. I don't know, but I suspect you also sign something saying you will abide by the rules of the party and the convention.

Several of the assholes interviewed proudly stated they would vote for the Green or other alternative party and would not support the Democratic nominee this fall. Seems to me that should be enough to disqualify your credentials.

It also seems to me if these assholes had any self respect at all, they would hand back their credentials if they no longer support the Democratic Party and its candidate for President. If you want to support another party - now is as good a time as any to start.

[DLCWIdem]

62. i believe there are rules of decorum

[OnDoutside]

64. Nina Turner said she did NOT lose her credentials, and that it was Bernie Sanders who personally

de-listed her from nominating him last night. She refused to say why.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/07/bernie_sanders_backer_nina_tur.html