Seriously, DU'ers..

[mountain grammy]

can we get through this without the name calling. It's a convention. Conventions are wild. I listened to a Congresswomen on Stephanie Miller this morning talking about the protests. It's Democrats, she said, That's what we do, we act up. Joe Biden said the same thing in an interview this morning.
Remember how rude ACT UP was, how rude BLM was? We don't call these people idiots because they're not. Now, Bloomberg is speaking. Will BLM heckle him? I wouldn't blame them.

Come on, my fellow Democrats, lighten up. I don't like the heckling either, but I'm not going to call my fellow democrats idiots, assholes or anything else for being passionate about human lives.

[Zynx]

1. They are undisciplined assholes and they detract from fighting a treasonous fascist.

Fuck. Them.

[Stuckinthebush]

3. Exactly

They need to be called out. And thrown out

[mountain grammy]

5. Hey, drag em out and beat em up..

that's what Trump would do...

[Rose Siding]

35. As you know, violence and recognizing those hecklers are fools are very different things.

Try to remember not to go so overboard with the hyperbole, huh?

[Glamrock]

79. Riiighht...

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Try post 7, 15, 18.....

[George II]

101. Link to the DU home page? WHICH thread for post 7, 15, 18??????????????

[Glamrock]

105. Sorry

Fixed it.
So as I was saying...

[mountain grammy]

111. No hyperbole ever on DU.. riiiight..

I don't know how old all these shocked Democrats are, but, sometimes, it seems to me they have no sense of history when it comes to political conventions. "The whole world is watching.." who would they have considered idiots and assholes in 1968?

[Glamrock]

122. I know, right?

But there is definitely an air of "they're ruining my soiree" under pining all the concern.

[George II]

100. What are they accomplishing?

[emulatorloo]

109. No body said or advocates that

[Hissyspit]

72. "Show a little class, let them be frustrated for a while." Vice President Joe Biden

"I understand their anger." Rep. Elijah Cummings

[DLCWIdem]

129. sooo... letting them be frustrated = letting them disrupt the convention

BTW how did Bernie handle protesters as mayor of Burlington?

[lastone]

93. Lol

Your funny, right?

[NBachers]

94. And they're media whores, giving the media a story to use against us.

[JCanete]

115. um, so not on the same scale, but you don't have a problem with fascism, corporatism,

or anything else, so long as its the democratic brand. In another thread you point out just how much you don't give a shit when the corporate wing of the DNC puts its thumb on the scales. You say, "the primary is over" as if we don't need to look back and examine the machinery at work and whether or not we want our elites to broker our elections while we continue to operate under the feel-good pretense of democracy. Unless you are willing to fight this kind of shit in your own goddamn party, I'm not convinced the roots of fascism is even an issue for you, and as somebody who is going to vote for Hillary Clinton, I'm not saying lets "throw the bums out," but please stop saying "move on."

[sufrommich]

2. They chose to heckle a great take down of Trump's relationship

with Putin. They aren't my fellow democrats and I'm not going to pretend they are.

[BlueMTexpat]

124. + a million! eom

[NYC Liberal]

4. They're not Democrats. Not Democrats we should welcome, anyway.

[mountain grammy]

8. They most certainly are Democrats..

shame on you.

[whatthehey]

14. No! Shame on them!

Shame on them for interrupting, defecating upon, and rendering pathetic the most important meeting of the only party in this country that gives a shit about their causes their aims and even themselves. Fuck them if they can't tell the difference.

[Hissyspit]

18. "Defecating on."

"Not Democrats we should welcome...." is pretty "shitty" an attitude.

[lastone]

97. For fucks sake

Please... pathetic and wrong.

[John Poet]

106. 'Pathetic' ? I guess you must be watching a different convention

than I am. Any floor disruptions have been very small potatoes, compared with the message of the speakers. You're giving them WAY too much importance.

REAL Democrats are for FREE SPEECH!

REPUBLICANS are the ones who always want to squelch dissent.


WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON ?

[mountain grammy]

112. Yep!

[NYC Liberal]

22. Not Democrats I want ANYTHING to do with.

[TDale313]

77. This is how we lose.

Splintering into our camps- seeing other Dems as the enemy. Keep it up. You'll be as responsible for a President Trump as any Bernie supporter.

[MelSC]

130. More like shame on THEM

Pathetic...

[Hissyspit]

16. "Not Democrats we should welcome, anyway."

And there we go. Prove the OP correct, why don't you, and lose the argument before you've started.

What a horrible attitude.

[mountain grammy]

20. Exactly!

[NYC Liberal]

21. Nope. Fuck them. Where were they at the RNC? Why weren't they protesting the orange prick?

Yeah -- my attitude is "horrible", but heckling and screaming at folks like Elijah Cummings and Joe Biden is just fine and dandy.

You can welcome that all you want. Your choice.

[Hissyspit]

29. Yes, I will.

There were protesters at Trump rallies and RNC. There were reasons they didn't get to be we're not vocal, including fearing for their lives.

[RonniePudding]

26. My parents taught me it was rude to interrupt others when they are speaking.

I have zero use for people who can't extend common courtesy.

[BlueMTexpat]

126. + a million! eom

[whatthehey]

28. The only horrible attitude

is on display from the noisome idiotic morons disrupting the only thing that stands in between us and Trump. And their Quisling enablers here.

[Hissyspit]

36. I like the roughness and and messiness and discord of true democracy.

Not the horrible authoritarian suppression and exclusion of the Republicans.

[mountain grammy]

84. Me too!

[Amaril]

120. Well said!

[MelSC]

132. Exactly

They are so stuck up their own asses they don't see how dangerous a Trump presidency would be. I honestly think they don't care...

[nini]

6. "can we get through this without the name calling." The answer is no

This has been going on here since the beginning. This is normal for DU.

[mountain grammy]

39. Sadly, you are right..

I should just suck it up and stay silent. But, damn, I've enjoyed this convention, every single bit of it. and am sorry so many here can't get into the spirit of a bunch of rowdy, rude Democrats. I'm so mad I have play tickets tomorrow night and will miss Hillary's acceptance speech. I'll watch the rerun, but won't be the same.

[nini]

41. I am always right LOL

I completely understand where you are coming from but I know how this place is and for all the good it does it can suck the spirit out of you at times.

[mountain grammy]

78. Yeah, I think you're always right.

[anamandujano]

131. but you are asking us to be silent about them

"I should just suck it up and stay silent."

[mountain grammy]

139. Us and them?

Not the way to win an election.

[anamandujano]

142. Us being those of us distressed by the constant disruptions. Them being those disrupting.

[cynatnite]

7. In another day or so, everyone will have forgotten they existed. n/t

[Hissyspit]

31. Then why the hateful vitriol?

[cynatnite]

62. It wasn't meant to be hateful...

People will move on and the protesting will be forgotten. That's all.

[Hissyspit]

68. I don't mean you. I mean others.

Calling them "prick," and "babies" and stuff.

[procon]

9. BS!

This is the nominating convention, not the primaries.

[procon]

42. Joy Reid just said something to the effect that they were so stupid

they didn't even understand the importance of what Panetta was explaining, and too dumb to comprehend the effects of what Trumps presidency would mean for them if he's allowed to get away with encouraging our enemies to launch a full on cyber war against the US.

[lostnfound]

10. Totally agree. God how boring to not want our pretty little heads troubled by unpleasantries.

Reminds me of Barbara Bush asking "why should I bother my beautiful mind..."

[one_voice]

11. I don't care about protests..

but I'm going to complain when they make it impossible for a speaker to speak.

They chanted on Leon Panetta when he was speaking truth about Trump. We're trying to win an election, FFS!

Not too mention, people spent their money to get there and it's not right to totally fuck up their time. They've acted like spoiled brats every night.

[mountain grammy]

30. Did you read Panetta's book?

He trashed Obama for not being enough of a war hawk. I was sitting in my living room heckling him.

[one_voice]

49. As I said, I'm not against protests..

I'm against people thinking what they have to say is so much more important than anything else. It's not like they haven't been doing this EVERY NIGHT.

My second point was they were chanting over Panatta when he telling an absolute important truth about Trump.

They made their point. The other people in the convention center have a right to hear what is being said.

Nothing wrong with a little consideration.

[Kali]

12. I agree.

[demmiblue]

13. I agree.

If it was sustained, I can see the point. However, heckling for .01% of the convention is really not that big of a deal.

Two people personally attacked me tonight by saying that I was "singing the song of my people" for not being outraged.

[That Guy 888]

15. Kick and Rec n/t

[bigtree]

17. the hecklers are idiots

...and questionable Democrats.

The heckling is thoughtless. It doesn't deserve consideration.

[BooScout]

19. Oh hell no!

They didn't show any respect to the DEMOCRATS speaking tonight. I sure as hell am not going to lighten up on them. They aren't fit to be in the same room with real Democrats.

[mountain grammy]

23. Who decides who's a "real Democrat" anyway?

[BooScout]

27. In my world....ME

....and in my world those were petulant little shits being ridiculous.

[still_one]

37. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Same thing in my world too

[Hissyspit]

43. Wow.

Doesn't work that way in the real world, though.

Amazing how you don't see how disturbing that is.

[still_one]

58. In is no more disturbing than when I was characterized as anti-Muslim or a third way Democrat. Both

which are as far from reality as they could be.

Frankly, I have no problem with using hyperbole, since the characterization of me was directed by some who had no idea who I was

[mountain grammy]

85. +1

[Hissyspit]

46. Luckily, all this is taking place in everyone else's world.

[BooScout]

52. Luckily....most of us in DU world know they are idiots....

....and won't be silenced in pointing that out loudly and often.

[quickesst]

71. I think....

..you summed up my opinion rather nicely. Well done. Well done indeed.

[RonniePudding]

32. We have a pretty good litmus test for that actually, as it turns out

Real Dems don't act like insufferable assholes while other Democrats are speaking.

[fun n serious]

55. They are holding up Jill Stein signs

Some of them are.. So no.. they're not democrats.

[BooScout]

73. Nope....just ridiculous little shits

[fun n serious]

92. We had a wonerful conventio despite them..

[duncang]

25. They want their voice heard by silencing the voice of others

Just wrong, totally wrong.

[mountain grammy]

47. Haven't seen anyone silenced yet.

[duncang]

75. By trying to shout down the speakers they are trying to silence the speakers message.

They make the boos more important in the eyes of media. That is what media is covering. Not what they or the speakers are saying. Just hoping they will understand if they really want their voices heard randomly booing at speakers is not the way. Rational thought and speech will help more then anything.

[Haveadream]

34. Protesting the protester's stupidity and inability to foresee consequences

You are perfectly ok with delegates heckling, protesting, screaming and interrupting our leaders but not ok with Democrats on a discussion forum (created to support Democrats) protesting that?

Why are only some speshul "Democrats" (and some are on camera saying they will change parties) allowed to protest and be passionate about human lives? Do you not realize that the anger at what the delegates are doing is because Democrats here are defending the lives of the millions those idiots are putting at risk?

[mountain grammy]

45. Why can't you support Democrats protesting war?

[Haveadream]

57. Because they are shouting down a leader who is trying to stop the person likely to get us into war?

Do you not understand that these speeches are for the American public and we are trying to convince them NOT to vote for Trump? And that the "protests" from our own side make us look like we are wrong?

[MelSC]

133. What's your answer?

How should we deal with the clusterfuck in the Middle East? You think if we leave them alone they won't come here and terrorize us? You live in a dream land. Reality is ugly. It's an extremely complicated situation and "Just give peace a chance..." Sounds infantile. There are people out there that HATE us and want to kill us. My uncle works for the UN, it's real. It's complicated, and yes the US played a big part but we have to deal with what's going on NOW.

[mountain grammy]

138. Never war.

[Hissyspit]

70. "Show a little class, let them be frustrated for a while." Vice President Joe Biden

[Haveadream]

76. Wise words for everyone

[Hissyspit]

83. Yes, some posters here sure could learn from that.

Posters who refer to the protesters as "pricks," for instance.

[DLCWIdem]

134. letting them be frustrated = letting them disrupt convention

Pres Obama not in our convention let them get their own house

[skylucy]

38. Hmmmm. Let me get this right. These anti-hillary delegates can continue to chant/boo over

people as they speak, put tape over their mouths to whine about being "silenced" yet get to talk to all the journalists looking for sh** disturbers at the convention, even interrupt the invocation with their antics. But you are scolding us here on DU for expressing OUR displeasure with their behavior? I happen to think that the small percentage of delegates who continue to throw their little tantrums are idiots. And their behavior through out this convention has had nothing to do with being "passionate about human lives". It has been about their candidate not getting the nomination. Even if Trumps Russian buddies hadn't released the emails they hacked, these delegates would have still acted this way. Some folks need to lighten up alright...This is the DEMOCRATIC underground and we have the right to express OUR displeasure with people who are hurting our candidate for president. HILLARY/KAINE 2016

[DLCWIdem]

136. + 1,000

[geek tragedy]

40. Those hecklers aren't Democrats, they're Naderite saboteurs nt

[mountain grammy]

50. Oh, come on now..

[geek tragedy]

82. They were chanting "Trump."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512314203

Some serious undesirables.

[ericson00]

44. Conventions are not "wild" anymore. Times are changed. They ARE dog/pony shows

and will forever be.

[Purveyor]

59. I miss the old days with my first memory being the '68 convention. Excitement is good and

the ratings seems to support that.

[Lord Magus]

137. I don't.

The reason that conventions were "exciting" back then is that the voters didn't get to choose the nominee. The majority of states had party officials appoint delegates with no voter input. The '68 debacle forced that to come to an end.

[JohnnyLib2]

48. I agree

[fun n serious]

51. i do not undertsand what they have a problem with

Tim Kaine is wondeful. They should be heckling Pence but they're not.

[Raster]

53. Thank you, grammy!

[mountain grammy]

87. You're welcome..

It's sure been a fine convention!

[Raster]

90. Hasn't it though... President Obama was just FREAKIN' BRILLIANT...

...He is truly, truly going to be missed.

[rjsquirrel]

54. Sorry

This is not normal convention behavior. Protest and disrespect are two different things.

I have contempt for these loony left infiltrators.

[betsuni]

56. You can't tell me what to do, you're not my real grammy!

[mountain grammy]

65. That's what my step grandchildren say..

[deathrind]

60. Agreed.

The double standard is on full throttle.

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

61. I'm with you Grammy n/t

[NCTraveler]

63. I don't recall how rude BLM was.

I do recall Trayvon being hunted down in the streets like wild game by a man who is walking free.

Gray murdered by police with no justice in the end along with countless others.

BLM is a movement. Some of those you are mentioning have truly stated they are voting Trump, Johnson, or Stein. They are rude and deserve mocking.

At the same time, seems they have simply added viewers and excitement to a brilliant convention. They are dim to the point their heckling will be a positive for us in the end. They are bringing eyes to our brilliant progressive speakers.

[mountain grammy]

67. The young woman who interrupted a Clinton event

was considered to be rude. I didn't think so. Some of these protesters are rude, but I'm not offended. Politics are rude.

[NCTraveler]

69. You will find no comment of mine calling the Clinton interruption rude.

Just the opposite. I cheered them. They took over the primaries early and I cheered them every step of the way. They are rejuvenating a great revolution that has taken our party by storm.

Never have I called them rude. They aren't rude. I speak for myself.

Politics can be rude. No doubt about it. Idiots are also allowed to participate. We are allowed to be honest about that as well.

[mountain grammy]

74. I didn't say you did.. in fact

on DU, very few thought she was rude, but she made Hillary uncomfortable and that's what it takes sometimes.

[NCTraveler]

80. Democrats are their vehicle for governmental change.

Their protests have been brilliant. One candidate literally changed their stump speech within days of being protested. That's how you protest.

The small group on the floor now are the exact opposite. Privileged idiots. Still useful as they are generating a little excitement and getting people to tune into our convention. Our excellent progressive message will resonate with people everywhere. They have marginilized themselves and are helping our party at the same time.

[mountain grammy]

88. Some protests are more effective than others.

on that, I'll agree.

[csziggy]

64. Let's learn from Tim Kaine

He turned the Feel the Bern chant into a slam against Trump - with a big SMILE!

I'm liking Kaine more and more.

[mountain grammy]

66. Me too!

[riderinthestorm]

81. Thank you. SMH at the vitriol aimed at anti-war protesters nt

[Arazi]

86. "We all need to be as vocal and as organized as Bernie Sanders's supporters have been"

Obama just endorsed their activism.

The perpetually outraged at Sanders and his supporters need to dial down

[mountain grammy]

89. Obama, as usual, the smartest man in the room.

[Raster]

91. President Obama was, as usual, right on point.

And yes, I completely agree. The "perpetually outraged" need to take up a hobby, get a life or whatever, their act --and it is an act-- is getting fucking tiresome.

[lastone]

98. Who of you didn't hear this

Why isn't it being shouted from the rooftop?

Again the double standard here is fucking pathetic...

[avaistheone1]

95. K&R

[Skittles]

96. acting up is one thing

acting like complete assholes is another

[George II]

99. No...the childishness should end, it should have ended yesterday (Tuesday) afternoon.

[riderinthestorm]

102. Obviously President Obama disagrees

Since I trust him, I'm following his lead on this.

"We all need to be as vocal and as organized as Bernie Sanders's supporters have been".

So obviously, democracy is messy. Get used to it.

[radical noodle]

103. I'm not going to call them names

but I want to hear the speakers. I want others to hear the speakers. Those speakers help us win. Also, if I was giving a speech and that started, I probably would lose my train of thought. If they want to protest outside, during the day... I'm okay with that. But not during speeches.

[PatrickforO]

104. My inclination is to forgive them.

Many are young, first timers. People who expected that if Bernie won, everything he wanted would all fall into place and life would be so much better (and if we put his platform in place, it WOULD be).

But I think Obama may have hooked them when he reached out. Saying not to stand off to the side just because Clinton doesn't totally align with what you believe was brilliant, and right. As was his follow up exhortation to get in there, get involved and help make the change happen.

It's how our system works. I want single payer, and I am willing to work for it, to push for it, hard. But to boo the heavy hitters tonight? Never. That is a bit short sighted, because even if you an Clinton intersect around 85 or 90%, I guarantee you if Trump gets in, your intersect with him will be a negative number.

[mountain grammy]

113. Seems to me, the first timers are the ones hating on the protesters

living in some dream world of a quiet, calm, no discourse allowed, political convention. Sounds pretty totalitarian to me. Good for Obama and Biden and Cummings and others, recognizing the passion of dissidence and what we all share in common.

[jalan48]

107. Thanks for the sane post.

The Purity Police need to chill.

[fantase56]

108. I like a democratic party who remembers Evelyn Beatrice Hall's quote

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[lapucelle]

110. They brought flags to burn.

Israeli and American.
That's the wrong message.

[mountain grammy]

114. I'm not ashamed to say

I've burned a flag or two in my lifetime.. see Vietnam War protests. As for the Israeli flag? They're getting pretty adept at burning Palestinian children. A flag is a symbol, not a living, breathing human being.

[sufrommich]

116. It has the opposite effect on everybody but

your small circle of leftists. When is the left going to learn this lesson? Who do you think you attract by burning the Isreali flag? It's not who you think you're appealing to.

[lapucelle]

119. Delegates to the Democratic convention burning the US flag and the flag of one of our allies

at the convention is inexcusable. I'm not sure if the Bernie supporters they were elected to represent at the convention expected them to do that.

[MelSC]

135. And that...

Is what gives Liberals a bad name.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

117. That is what we do.

We are the Party of the Squeaky wheel. We scream and yell till the wrong is made right.
We look like and are all over the map. But then the repukes do something that we come together to fight against. And this time they gave a great target. This monster they have dredged up from the bowls of hell is all we have fought against in one orange package.
now is the time for us to to say to one another " pick up the internal fighting after November?"

[Orsino]

118. I tend to agree.

If the protests are peaceful, more voices are still generally better.

If we just wanted a happy party where everone is all smiles, why did we schedule it for 2016? Last I heard, that's a really shitty year full of violence and inequality.

[obamanut2012]

121. They heckled John Lewis and defended TRump

I am done with excusing them.

[LostinRed]

123. They are assholes

I feel the same about BLM when they interrupt and I think others share that opinion they only hurt their cause.

[Lil Missy]

125. No. They are not Democrats. n/t

[redstatebluegirl]

127. I drew the line when they heckled Cummings.

No excuse, none at all. Young and uninformed won't cut it for me.

[MelSC]

128. Sorry they are assholes

This is serious, not a football game. I don't want there to be any chance of Trump becoming President. That means we are all in full support of Hillary 100%. The hecklers don't belong there.

[Rex]

140. Well yeah, but then what would some of them do?

Maybe you haven't noticed, but they made a career out of trying to divide us up. Since it is a tiny group, I just ignore them.

[mountain grammy]

141. Yes.

Should have been the title of my post...just ignore them.