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Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:05 AM

 

A protest vote for Jill Stein

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Reply A protest vote for Jill Stein (Original post)
Scuba Jul 2016 OP
still_one Jul 2016 #1
lewebley3 Jul 2016 #29
still_one Jul 2016 #32
WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #56
SticksnStones Jul 2016 #2
Pacifist Patriot Jul 2016 #3
Cracklin Charlie Jul 2016 #4
RAFisher Jul 2016 #5
bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #63
demwing Jul 2016 #113
JaneyVee Jul 2016 #6
MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #10
Renew Deal Jul 2016 #41
Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #91
bekkilyn Jul 2016 #12
George II Jul 2016 #17
misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #31
merrily Jul 2016 #28
misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #34
merrily Jul 2016 #37
misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #40
Johnyawl Jul 2016 #39
joshcryer Jul 2016 #49
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2016 #75
MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #7
calimary Jul 2016 #25
FreeStateDemocrat Jul 2016 #8
thesquanderer Jul 2016 #9
Scuba Jul 2016 #11
merrily Jul 2016 #30
Il_Coniglietto Jul 2016 #46
Stellar Jul 2016 #13
misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #36
workinclasszero Jul 2016 #14
LongTomH Jul 2016 #15
Scuba Jul 2016 #22
TNNurse Jul 2016 #16
southern_belle Jul 2016 #19
calimary Jul 2016 #26
onecaliberal Jul 2016 #33
southern_belle Jul 2016 #18
colorado_ufo Jul 2016 #20
auntpurl Jul 2016 #21
vlyons Jul 2016 #23
calimary Jul 2016 #43
Android3.14 Jul 2016 #24
leftofcool Jul 2016 #81
Android3.14 Jul 2016 #88
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #92
Android3.14 Jul 2016 #105
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #110
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #27
B Calm Jul 2016 #58
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #59
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #94
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #77
skepticscott Jul 2016 #83
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #95
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #93
Raster Jul 2016 #35
Hekate Jul 2016 #38
NNadir Jul 2016 #42
Ernesto Jul 2016 #44
Orsino Jul 2016 #45
DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #47
MarianJack Jul 2016 #48
Bradical79 Jul 2016 #50
wysi Jul 2016 #52
YOHABLO Jul 2016 #51
Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #53
forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #67
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #96
zentrum Jul 2016 #54
hay rick Jul 2016 #60
zentrum Jul 2016 #64
hay rick Jul 2016 #70
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #97
zentrum Jul 2016 #108
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #109
Paladin Jul 2016 #55
AllyCat Jul 2016 #57
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #98
CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #61
Lifelong Protester Jul 2016 #62
mwooldri Jul 2016 #65
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #99
shireen Jul 2016 #66
jimlup Jul 2016 #68
LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #69
bocaharv Jul 2016 #71
mountain grammy Jul 2016 #72
Wolf Frankula Jul 2016 #73
demwing Jul 2016 #112
Lunabell Jul 2016 #74
DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #76
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #104
DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #111
dubyadiprecession Jul 2016 #78
lonestarnot Jul 2016 #79
skepticscott Jul 2016 #84
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #101
beachbum bob Jul 2016 #80
JCMach1 Jul 2016 #82
2banon Jul 2016 #85
Post removed Jul 2016 #86
Vinca Jul 2016 #87
brooklynite Jul 2016 #89
Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #103
Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #90
UCmeNdc Jul 2016 #100
beachbum bob Jul 2016 #102
thucythucy Jul 2016 #106
BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #107

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:07 AM

1. The stakes really are that large, thanks

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:06 PM

29. Trump is a fascists: that is not a bad ideology: It could end up with dead American's.

 

Last edited Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Trump is in favor of torture: maybe he won't just torture
terrorist: Maybe he thinks American's need to be tortured
that don't agree with him.

Trump cannot eliminate problems but he could eliminate people!


He talks as if congress will be his employees!

To Arms my fellow American's we need to defeat Trumps new/ old
fascism here at home.

Hillary and others should ask Mit Romey and other GOP people that are still
loyal to this country to help defeat the Trumps fascism threat.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:09 PM

32. That sure does focus on what Trump is. Thanks

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:02 PM

56. I agree

Never have I seen so many in the USA in favor of Fascism, it's time to defeat Trump.

And yes, we need a revolution, a peaceful one of course

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:21 AM

2. Agreed.

The house is on fire, we can discuss ripping up the floor boards after we put out the flames...



Metaphorically, of course

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:39 AM

3. Spot on

Except after watching the DNC, I'm more of a Hillary fan.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:47 AM

4. Last two lines...

A+!!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:49 AM

5. Do people who vote Green really want their state to go Green?

Congress picks POTUS if no one can get 270 electoral votes.

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Response to RAFisher (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:23 PM

63. Greens will not get 1 electoral vote

they can sway the overall vote, but not win anything

they are irrelevant

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Response to RAFisher (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 10:08 PM

113. I would love my state to go Green

 

but I live in Florida, so we have to settle for Blue Dogs

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:51 AM

6. Why doesnt Jill run for senate?

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:10 AM

10. INORITE?

She could actually do more there than constantly running for POTUS.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:20 PM

41. She's not about doing anything

Accomplishments are not her thing

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:42 PM

91. Stein and the Greens are about maintaining their status quo

The Green party does nothing that could make them a viable national party. They work hard only to fleece children, cranks and malcontents of enough money to keep their quadrennial show-pony and staff of wanna-be spoilers afloat.

They work for Putin this year.



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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:12 AM

12. She would be better off running for school board or some other local state election

At least if she wants people to start taking the party seriously rather than just throwing up an irrelevant presidential candidate every four years so that people who have no clue what her platform even is can use it as a throwaway protest vote.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:35 AM

17. Maybe because if she won it would be too much like work. Running for an office....

....that she has no possibility of ever being elected to is safer. She can disrupt without having to worry about the inconvenience of actually following up.

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Response to George II (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:06 PM

31. Like the Big Dog said " its easy to give speeches"..doing the work is hard.



Stein, like Nina, loves the speech part.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:05 PM

28. To unseat Warren or Markey?

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Response to merrily (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:11 PM

34. Kennedy will step into Warren's Senate seat if she leaves it .

Already been confirmed. Rep Joe Kennedy was asked by Warren & he accepted.
Should Pres Hillary appoint Warren to the Fed, where her passion lies, Kennedy will run for her seat and he will win.

Stein's not usurping either of those MA Dems.

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Response to misterhighwasted (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:13 PM

37. I meant she could not defeat either Warren or Markey.

Kennedy's don't lose in Massachusetts.

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Response to merrily (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:18 PM

40. Yes I was agreeing . Not arguing. MA would run Stein outta town

Warren & Markey are anchored to MA.
Complete agreement merrily

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:15 PM

39. The only race she's ever won has been to her town council...

Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, 2002

finished third in a field of five candidates, with 76,530 votes and about 3.5% of the vote.


Massachusetts House of Representatives candidate, 2004

ran for state representative in 2004 for the 9th Middlesex District, She received 21.3 percent of the vote in a three-way race, but lost to the incumbent Thomas Stanley, who received 59.6 percent.

Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth candidate, 2006

In a two-way race with the Democrat Bill Galvin, a three-term incumbent, Stein received 18% of the total vote.

Town of Lexington Town Meeting Representative, 2005 and 2008

She finished first of 16 candidates running for seven seats, receiving 539 votes, for 20.6% of the total vote. [80] Stein was re-elected in 2008, finishing second of 13 vying for eight seats.

Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, 2010

Stein received 32,816 votes out of 2,287,407 in the November 2, 2010 general election. (approx. 1%)

Having failed to capture any statewide office, of course Jill Stein assumed she was ready for a nationwide campaign

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:01 PM

49. she is not qualified to run as the dirt in my big toe

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:52 AM

75. Because the people of Mass know she's a moonbat

She has no chance

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:04 AM

7. Dayum! Wish I could K&R more than once!

That really nails it.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:01 PM

25. TOTALLY.

Absolutely.

Completely.

Exactly.

Precisely.

Definitely.

Emphatically.

A wasted vote for CERTAIN. And that only helps one person: Donald Trump. Is that REALLY worth it, America?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:08 AM

8. recommend, logical statement!

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:08 AM

9. Good post, but more applicable to potential swing states than solid blues...

...where such a protest vote would not have those consequences.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:10 AM

11. Good to keep the solid blue states solid blue. In a red state, perhaps it's different.

 

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:47 PM

46. Look at the Maryland governorship.

The assumption was that the Democrat, Anthony Brown, would easily win. Yet turnout was low among Democrats and the Republicans won.

No state is truly "safe" unless people vote to keep it that way. Enough protest votes and Trump wins.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:13 AM

13. I must have written that in my sleep.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:12 PM

36. LOL..I hear ya

Long night but worth it all.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:13 AM

14. Trump is a national emergency!

 

This cannot be said enough!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:28 AM

15. Agreed; but, at this point, you're preaching to the choir!

I think anyone remaining on Democratic Underground has probably. already decided to support the Democratic candidate, no matter who they may be.

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:46 AM

22. Feel free to share it widely!

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:32 AM

16. Perfect

I fear someone's "conscience vote" will doom us all. Please people deal with reality. He cannot become President.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:36 AM

19. +1 n/t

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Response to southern_belle (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:03 PM

26. + 1 more.

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Response to TNNurse (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:10 PM

33. This is my thought. We do not deserve to live out the consequence of their stupidity. They're

Acting like petulant children because they didn't get their way. This is the most consequential election in my lifetime. It's time for maturity.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:35 AM

18. Exactly!

I wish they would have - or will - cover it at the DNC and stress it!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:39 AM

20. Great post!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:44 AM

21. k&r

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:47 AM

23. I learned much about Hillary's activism this week.

I feel much much better about voting for her. She will be a very competent Prez, and I think capable of listening to the progressive wing of the party.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:31 PM

43. Bloomberg noted that very thing last night. "Sane Competent Leader."

The word "sane" keeps coming up. I've even seen it in posts written by people who are just starting to be willing to vote for her. The one good thing they tend to come up with, immediately, was that "at least she's sane."

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:56 AM

24. If Clinton cannot gain the edge over Trump, a vote for her won;t do those things either.

 

I'm casting my vote for Clinton as the strategic choice at this point, but if she cannot begin inspiring people with more than fear of Trump, then a vote for Clinton is as useless as a vote for Stein.

She needs something big on which to hang her hat.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:40 AM

81. She already has something big

She already inspires millions of people.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #81)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:34 PM

88. I really lack the interest in having this stupid fight with you

 

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:58 AM

92. Clinton is doing fine...early days.

And voting for her does give her the edge. As for inspiring...She is not a messiah but a presidential candidate...she has said what she wants to do which is close to what Bernie wanted...what else can she do? And a vote for a Democrat is not useless...consider that Bernie was inspiring..no doubt. But voters chose the candidate who wants to get stuff done.Many , many people showed up at Bernie's rallies, but more voters showed up for Hillary. Also, I like Hilarry, and I am inspired by her...if you don't like her she won't inspire you no matter what she does. And voting in order to save your country from an orange madman is acceptable and the responsibility of all sane people (mostly Democrats).

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #92)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:22 AM

105. "if you don't like her she won't inspire"

 

I disagree. I've had to follow people I disliked, and a leader can still inspire people to great things, regardless of the opinion of the persons he or she leads.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #105)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 12:35 PM

110. Sorry, I don't buy that. No matter what a person I disliked did...

I was never inspired nor would I ever be...I still did what was best...but they could not inspire me.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:04 PM

27. That is unquestionably true in Ohio and Florida any any other states that serve as battlegrounds.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:55 PM

58. My state Indiana will overwhelmingly vote for Trump.

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #58)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:01 PM

59. My state, too.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #59)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:04 AM

94. If you are not planning to support the Democratic candidate why are you here?

I don't care where you live; the popular vote is important too. What if Virginians had felt as you do...they would still be a red state. I lived in Georgia and voted in every election for a Democrat...wrote one in if there was no one running as a Democrat.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:12 AM

77. Same with Oklahoma

 

Some states the protest vote can be a safe vote of concience. This election is to important if you are in a state that is even close.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #77)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:33 AM

83. If you only vote that way if it's "safe"

 

then it's not a vote of conscience.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #58)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:09 AM

95. You never know

Pence really hurt Indiana.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:01 AM

93. It is true in all states

We don't know how this election will go...as it is unlike any election ever. Trump was two points ahead of Hillary in Georgia recently. Everyone needs to vote Democratic...all Democrats. We need to get the popular vote up in order to give her strength. Support Democrats.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:11 PM

35. NO SHIT! Trump/Pence is UNTHINKABLE. NEITHER is qualified in any shape, form or fashion...

...to be POTUS and VPOTUS and their election to the two highest offices in the land would be AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER for this country. Unthinkable and Unacceptable. I will do whatever it takes.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:13 PM

38. All good points. Thanks.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:25 PM

42. Well true but...

...anyone thinking of voting for that pixilated person at this point, is not really worth speaking to.

As distasteful as this is, it's probably more important to reach a person who might vote for Trump, either to get them to stay home, or consider Ms. Clinton.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:38 PM

44. A vote for Nader was a vote for the chimp!.............. n-t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:39 PM

45. In the lifeboat, we could have her ear while she rows.

And take our own turns at the oars. If Hillay Clinton isn't the president you want, make her a better one.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:53 PM

47. More reasons from Slate as to why Stein is a piss-poor candidate. . .

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:00 PM

48. I'm about to vote for Jill Stein in my bathroom.

I'll wipe afterwards!

PEACE!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:09 PM

50. It's just stupid

Might as well make your "protest vote" a write in for a random name out of the phone book. They'd probably be just as qualified, and more likely to have reasonable views on vaccines.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:42 PM

52. Indeed

Every four years my late friend Edward would write in "Bill the Cat" for President. It's pretty much the same thing.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:49 PM

51. I'm all about getting Hillary elected, but don't throw Stein's ideas under the bus.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:44 PM

53. Love the platform, but no progressive in any battleground state should support the candidate

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:45 PM

67. Stein HAS no ideas.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #51)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:13 AM

96. I throw Stein and anything that comes from her lips under the bus and

then I back it up and run her over again. She is a spoiler and a Democratic hater ...she led voters out of the Democratic convention in order to show disrespect for Democrats. Jill Stein wants Trump to win; there can be no other explanation for her behavior. She crashed the convention ; she had no place there. I would not listen to one word Jill Stein said. She is dead to me. Fuck Jill Stein!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:44 PM

54. All this is

……very true. And what I discern in it, cut down to the bare gist, is that these protest voters will in fact experience the election as a vote for the lesser of two evils.

That is the problem that reframing does not change.

An anti-Trump vote, (in other words, a vote for Hillary and no one else) essential as that is, is not what democracy should be. We need a pro-vote election.



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Response to zentrum (Reply #54)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:02 PM

60. The "lesser evil" is simply the better candidate.

Any candidate that you don't agree with 100% is a lesser evil. The "lesser evil" framing has the effect of reducing participation in the political process and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The way to break out of that vicious cycle is to help build a party or volunteer for a campaign... good old-fashioned sweat equity.

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Response to hay rick (Reply #60)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:42 PM

64. Not at all true.

Voting for Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin and then again over Romney/Ryan was not at all a vote for the lesser evil. It was for most, a pro-better vote.

Things are not quite that way this time. That's all I feel comfortable saying in this venue.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #64)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:18 AM

70. We disagree.

Hillary lacks Barack's charisma but I think there is little difference between them on policy. The difference between the Democratic candidate and the Republican candidate, on the other hand, has only gotten greater with each succeeding election. I will vote for Hillary without enthusiasm. I will vote against Trump with absolute conviction.

I supported Bernie in the primary and I volunteer for the party because I want to rebuild the party of FDR. Our first and necessary task, however, is to save our democracy from those who would discard it.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #64)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:16 AM

97. Many people were not thrilled with either

Romney or Obama who was not as popular as he is now. Many people said why couldn't we have better candidates when I GOTV. They say every year because someone's primary pick didn't get in or a second term president has done things that people don't like...the Greens were brutal to President Obama by the way.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #97)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 10:10 AM

108. They don't say "why can't we have better candidates"

.....just because of petulant sour grapes. They say it because of the clear-eyed perception that things that could change more and more rapidly simply do not because of more hidden systems---Citizen's United putting K street on steroids for example, and the corporate take over of the elections etc.

My comment was more directed at Obama '08 before the disillusionment of his first term had set in. That '08 vote was the most pro-vote I've seen in my lifetime. Putting aside for the moment the PUMA's. Going back to what this thread is about ----the idea of having "to vote for the lesser evil". The '08 vote stood out as not being like that for millions.

Many aren't looking at their political choices as team sports and my tribe vs the other guys, or a set of mere "likes"---but as real life policy choices that effect life, death, health, their kid's future. I think there is a sense of desperation in the country that started to surface in the '08 economic melt down and that's what makes people feel they are trapped in the "lesser of two evils" choice.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #108)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 12:33 PM

109. I always wonder at people who think a president can do everything on his own.

Imagine if Obama had a real majority. He never did ...with conservadems, Lieberman and Kennedy being ill.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:48 PM

55. The lifeboat comparison is first-rate.

Not so much for me, as I've backed Hillary from the beginning. But I know a couple of sore-headed Bernie supporters who need to hear it.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:49 PM

57. I just got an email from my Dems and Progressives group

saying the majority of the members are working for Stein. SMH. They helped me get elected to public office. And now want to undo everything we have fought for. I am frustrated that we have to settle this election again. But when each one is more awful than the last, how can we not vote against the republicans?

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #57)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:18 AM

98. There will be no progressive movement if Trump gets in and packs the courts.

Your friends don't understand. How will they look at their wives and daughters and say ...'hey abortion is now illegal and I helped', being gay is now criminalized again,my vote did nothing to stop it...never mind gay marriage this is what Scalia wanted and Trump wants justices who think as Scalia did and millions are locked up in little more than concentration camps...we could even face nuclear war. How about we become a brown shirt nation and take out the families of terrorists just like the Nazis...did reprisal killings. Trump has advocated for this.Trump appears to be in bed with Putin and on course to destroy NATO. This is not an ordinary election. It is as someone said a national emergency.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:21 PM

61. Jill Stein is not qualified to run for mayor of her small town of 34K

And she would be not elected if she ran.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:18 PM

62. I marched and put my life on the line

for women's rights-I'm not about to 'flush' it all away.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:15 PM

65. I'm okay with protest votes when it doesn't matter.

It's okay to protest vote when we know for sure a supermajority will vote for a particular candidate.

It's not okay to protest vote when it matters. Your vote counts. Just ask anyone from the UK.

Anyone in NC or VA who doesn't want to see Trump win better vote for Hillary. It can be seen as voting against something rather than for something. However a vote is a vote... so Hillary or Bust.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #65)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:26 AM

99. I disasgree

It always matters.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:45 PM

66. I am seeing a lot of hatred for Hillary

on Facebook political pages. It's kinda scary and depressing to see people lash out that way. And some of them are really mad at Bernie.



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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:20 PM

68. Yes Trump is an national Emergency

well said

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:26 PM

69. Exactly! nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:46 AM

71. Jill Stein

Nader elected Bush. Stein is a spoiler & is a vote for Drumpf

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:05 AM

72. K&R

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:20 AM

73. Remember what GREEN stands for

Get Republicans Elected Every November. The Greens take repukelican money. They use Trumpoid talking points. Vote Hillary.

Wolf

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Response to Wolf Frankula (Reply #73)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 10:05 PM

112. Pot?

 

Environmental?
Nauseated?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:41 AM

74. I will never vote for an anti science candidate.

Who panders to antivaxxers.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:00 AM

76. I am in Florida

so with all due respect to any people who say "my votes doe not count because I am in a red or blue state, kindly keep in mind those of us who are not are doing the heavy lifting that you refuse to do.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #76)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:31 AM

104. I would say even those that live in other states need to vote Demcratic

While the popular vote does not count in terms of the electoral college...it is significant in terms of what sort of a mandate you are viewed as having.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #104)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:59 PM

111. I hear that

but I grow weary of blue in either solid red or solid blue chide me for not seeing I am not playing on the same field as they. Granted, I despise the Electoral College, but it is what it is.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:15 AM

78. Jill stein can't get there, from here...

You might as well throw your vote away by voting for Jill.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:11 AM

79. Not that I really want an answer, but

 

who the fuck is Jill Stein?

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #79)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:47 AM

84. The latest person that the Green Party has propped up

 

and stuffed full of their canned policy positions, ready to regurgitate them on demand.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #79)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:27 AM

101. The Green Party presidential candidate

Hate Democrats and the Greens helped elect Bush II.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:18 AM

80. protest vote for stein is a vote FOR trump....any way you look at it....

 

dishonor yourself and your country

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 09:10 AM

82. The stakes are too high and have you honestly taken a close look at the candidate...

no thanks...

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:01 PM

85. Excellent tweet, thank you Scuba

 

It's really clear as rain, but I couldn't have put it better.

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Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:25 PM

87. Let's put all ideology aside. The choice this November is very simple: sane vs. nuts.

I am 100% convinced Trump is clinically, mentally ill. To do anything that might enable his installation as POTUS is unthinkable.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:36 PM

89. ...but if the boat SINKS everyone will want to pick a better Captain next time...

...or so the theory goes.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #89)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:30 AM

103. If they are still allowed to choose maybe.

But studies have shown that after a descent into super-conservatism. People are more likely to choose moderates- not liberals. And with the courts gone who cares?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Jul 29, 2016, 05:51 PM

90. Good post Scuba.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:26 AM

100. The funny thing about Jill Stein is she is not sincere. Stein is not about real change.

If Jill Stein sincerely wanted change then she would organize herself and the Green party accordingly.

Jill Stein would say to herself I cannot win but what can I do to get my position on issues noticed and have real impact?

That is what a sincere and honest person would do.

A person that only wants glory for him or herself will seek publicity with no real plan to actually get their program through.

Bernie Sanders is sincere, he fought hard then adjusted as needed and still has his program in the game. Bernie Sanders can still build and force Clinton to go in the right direction. Jill Stein is doing nothing but talking. No real action.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:28 AM

102. ego over country....and screw america...thats what a vote for stein....ebds up doing

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:36 AM

106. Isn't the Green Party having its convention soon?

I wonder if any supporters of science--that is to say, people who oppose her anti-vaccination hysteria and the harm it's done--are planning to show up to protest.

That would be some sweet irony, and it would be interesting to see how they'd handle protests at THEIR gathering.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:55 AM

107. One word: POWERFUL!

Thank you, Scuba.

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