CNN: Kaine: I am for the Hyde Amendment

[chascarrillo]

Last edited Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:02 AM - Edit history (1)

Just now on CNN with Alysin Camerota Says he has not changed his mind. Walking back on the platform already.

Edit: Tweet from George Zornick from The Nation:

"On CNN Kaine says he's still for Hyde Amendment, which bans taxpayer money from going to abortion. "I have not changed my position on that.""

I'll post the CNN rush transcript when they post it.

Edit 2: CNN Video: Tim Kaine talks TPP, Hyde Amendment

Hyde discussion starts around 2:00

CAMEROTA: One more issue, Senator. The Hyde Amendment, that bans taxpayer funding for abortion - for or against it?

KAINE: I have been for the Hyde Amendment and I haven't changed my position on that.

CAMEROTA: You're still for it. You're still for the ban -

KAINE: I have not changed my position, have not changed my position on that.

[leftofcool]

1. Obviously not

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tim-kaine-now-backs-lifting-hyde-amendment-banning-abortion-funding-n618246

[BainsBane]

2. His views and the platform are not the same thing

[auntpurl]

4. Do not accept the premise!

This OP is a lie.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tim-kaine-now-backs-lifting-hyde-amendment-banning-abortion-funding-n618246

[BainsBane]

6. The OP somehow seems to have missed the word "not"

Thanks for the correction.

[chascarrillo]

9. He said this straight out. Transcripts will have it. CNN panel just discussed his response as well.

[Demsrule86]

61. And?

It doesn't change my mind. The chances of us eliminating the Hyde amendment is between slim to none...but eliminating abortion all together with three or four court picks for Trump...100% probability.

[still_one]

30. I hate to say purl, but this is as mixed message as it could be. Even giving the benefit of the

doubt, Kaine should have not said it.

This is how elections are lost. Making comments like this is the way to lose votes

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/politics/tim-kaine-hyde-amendment-abortion/

[auntpurl]

3. So this OP is a complete lie then?

Shameful.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tim-kaine-now-backs-lifting-hyde-amendment-banning-abortion-funding-n618246

[Vattel]

5. what did he say specifically?

[auntpurl]

7. He said he backs LIFTING the Hyde amendment that restricts abortion

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tim-kaine-now-backs-lifting-hyde-amendment-banning-abortion-funding-n618246

The OP is a lie.

[Dawgs]

10. How is it a lie. The OP says CNN. Do you have a link for that? nt

[Vattel]

15. It looks like it is true.

[chascarrillo]

8. Camerota asked Kaine directly if he still supported the Hyde Amendment. Kaine said yes.

Camerota repeated the question. Kaine said yes and that he has not changed his mind.

[obamanut2012]

11. Not true at all -- link?

[still_one]

31. I wish it wasn't true, but it appears to be true.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/politics/tim-kaine-hyde-amendment-abortion/

[OKNancy]

12. Yes, it's true that he said he has not changed his position

However, it's meaningless in relation to what power he would have to do anything about it.
He has still voted 100% pro-choice.

you can see a video here... scroll down: https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics

[Exilednight]

23. What if it comes down to a 50/50 vote in the Senate?

The VP casts the deciding vote.

The way things are shaping up, this could become a real possibility.

[pnwmom]

66. Then he would cast the vote against the Hyde amendment, as that is Hillary's position,

and that of the Democratic platform.

[Exilednight]

67. There is no guarantee of that.

The reality is, he's not bound to Hillary's position or the platform.

They request him to, but they can't make him do it.

I'm certain Hillary would be to such a measure, but it would be an awkward situation.

[pnwmom]

68. She knows him well enough to trust him. He's not going to betray that trust. n/t

[SharonClark]

35. He has a 100% voting record because he's never had to vote on repealing Hyde?

Hillary needs to educate him FAST.

[still_one]

36. or go directly to CNN here:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/politics/tim-kaine-hyde-amendment-abortion/

It was a dumb ass thing for him to say, because now he will have do the damage control as you just did Nancy

We really cannot afford crap like this, we will lose support

His record shows he supports public funds for abortion:

Don't weaken or subvert the basic holding of Roe v. Wade. (Oct 2012)
Don't deny privacy to women making health care decisions. (Sep 2012)
If life begins at conception, we must outlaw contraception. (Dec 2011)
Personally opposed to abortion, but it shouldn't be outlawed. (Jul 2008)
Parental consent; ban partial birth; informed consent. (Jul 2008)
Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion. (Nov 2005)
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. (Nov 2005)
Supports public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Notebook/Note_12-CC-q1a.htm

but geez, we really have to be much more careful

[chascarrillo]

13. Link to tweet from George Zornick from The Nation.

"On CNN Kaine says he's still for Hyde Amendment, which bans taxpayer money from going to abortion. "I have not changed my position on that.""

[anoNY42]

14. I am waiting to see what Kaine actually thinks

but either way it's not like the VP or Pres has to agree 100% with the party platform. Since the platform is written by committee, it is likely impossible to find a person who agrees with it 100%.

[B Calm]

16. He's against public funding for abortion?

[Vattel]

18. Apparently he is against at least certain kinds of public funding for abortion

[Vattel]

17. Really odd, given earlier reports that he had changed his mind and favored repeal.

[chascarrillo]

19. CNN Video: Tim Kaine talks TPP, Hyde Amendment

CNN Video: Tim Kaine talks TPP, Hyde Amendment

Hyde discussion starts around 2:00

CAMEROTA: One more issue, Senator. The Hyde Amendment, that bans taxpayer funding for abortion - for or against it?

KAINE: I have been for the Hyde Amendment and I haven't changed my position on that.

CAMEROTA: You're still for it. You're still for the ban -

KAINE: I have not changed my position, have not changed my position on that.

[B Calm]

20. Thanks

[MainstreamModerate]

21. Wasn't this mentioned in the DNC platform and by HRC?

"For the first time, the Democratic Party would call for the repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits direct use of federal funds for abortion."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2016/07/24/abortion-democratic-convention-platform-hyde-amendment-column/87436404/

Hillary:
"“Any right that requires you to take extraordinary measures to access it is no right at all,” Clinton said. “And not as long as we have laws on the book like the Hyde amendment making it harder for low-income women to exercise their full rights.” She supported repealing the amendment, she said the next day, “and actually I have for a very long time”.

The announcement made Clinton one of the only modern presidential candidates to oppose the nearly 40-year-old ban on federal abortion coverage."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/26/abortion-rights-clinton-hyde-amendment-federal-funds

Why isn't this being discussed here in this DU forum?

[MainstreamModerate]

22. This is a pretty big flip flop isn't it?

Or am I missing something here?

I've read a lot of posts here on DU through the primary and it was CONTENTIOUS... and with a lot of folks bantering about trust and issues and whatnot... well, this is a pretty big deal from the perspective of what was thrown around here during the primary and trying to get folks united this is a HUGE monkey wrench by a VP candidate...

or am I wrong?

[MainstreamModerate]

24. Surprised that this thread isn't getting more discussion...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/politics/tim-kaine-hyde-amendment-abortion/index.html

This doesn't concern anyone?

[Vattel]

26. This is mostly a cheerleading site right now.

[MainstreamModerate]

28. That's not a good way to bring more folks in...

why would a statement on CNN like that by the VP candidate that goes against the nominee's position and the party's platform?

[riderinthestorm]

34. +1 nt

[Vattel]

63. my sentiments exactly

[auntpurl]

62. Boy, you really wanted this thread to catch fire, didn't you. Three kicks in a row.

Congrats, I guess.

[MainstreamModerate]

64. how does your reply help with discussing the policy point he answered on?

Are you for or against discussing issues and policy in interviews that go counter to the nominee and the DNC platform?

[Barack_America]

25. Welp. Don't say you weren't warned.

The frightening thing is that I don't believe he would say this without approval from the top of the ticket.

[still_one]

27. When was that done? A month ago? 2 months ago? It sure isn't today

[MainstreamModerate]

29. This was an interview this AM

it sure was today and I'm surprised not more is being discussed about it

[still_one]

40. ok. Thanks. I am going to assume it was a mistake, because he is contradicting himself.

Even giving him the benefit of the doubt it was a serious error. I believe it is recoverable because he is contradicting himself,on public funding for abortion, which he supports, but things like this cannot continue if we expect to win.

[MainstreamModerate]

43. if you watch the video it was NO mistake

he was asked twice, given a chance to correct on the 2nd pass and he doubled down

[still_one]

46. I am saying he is contradicting himself. He has supported public fundings of abortion, so this is a

contradiction.

Don't weaken or subvert the basic holding of Roe v. Wade. (Oct 2012)
Don't deny privacy to women making health care decisions. (Sep 2012)
If life begins at conception, we must outlaw contraception. (Dec 2011)
Personally opposed to abortion, but it shouldn't be outlawed. (Jul 2008)
Parental consent; ban partial birth; informed consent. (Jul 2008)
Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion. (Nov 2005)
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. (Nov 2005)
Supports public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Tim_Kaine.htm

[MainstreamModerate]

48. my question is simple, did you see the video and the conviction in his voice?

pretty hard to believe he's contradicting himself

[still_one]

50. Yes, and he is contradicting himself. In 2012 he supported public funding for abortion.

and just a few days ago it was reaffirmed:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/07/27/catholic-tim-kaine-now-for-taxpayerfunded-abortion-n2198804

So what "really" is his position?

Regardless, Hillary will be the President, and he will follow Hillary's lead, who will try and get the Hyde amendment repealed.

The next President will appoint at least two Supreme Court justices, which will protect a women's right to choose.

His record on that is well documented also. He personally is opposed to abortion, but not believes in a woman's right to choose, and has voted consistently for a woman's right to choose, and preservation of Roe V Wade.

[MainstreamModerate]

51. well it bothers me... the message being rec. isn't one that you can brush off

if you can't build trust with interviews when you have an opportunity like this it's a very bad image to be sending

[still_one]

54. It should bother you. It bothers me also. The Democratic Platform supports public funding of

abortion. Hillary supports public funding of abortion, and the next President will appoint at least two Supreme Court Justices.

Kaine's public voting record has been consistently supporting Roe, and a woman's right to choose. This flip-flop by him on the public funding of abortion is troubling, and he needs to have his feet kept to the fire on this that he will support Hillary's position, which is for public funding of abortion.

[MainstreamModerate]

55. Where is the campaign jumping on this to correct?

I've seen nor read nothing to correct the interview

[still_one]

57. As this gets more visibility, which it will, they will have to, but you are right, they should have

come out shortly after that interview for at least damage control

Even though Kaine's public voting record has been consistently supporting Roe, and a woman's right to choose, this flip-flop by him on the public funding of abortion is troubling, and he needs to unequivocally support Hillary's position, which is for public funding of abortion.

I think we really are on the same page on this

[uponit7771]

45. +1, I'll wait too... there's no need for them to shoot themselves in the foot

[still_one]

49. It is a contradiction of Tim Kaine who has supported public funding of abortion. Regardless,

Hillary will be the President, will appoint Supreme Court Justices, and Tim Kaine will follow the President's lead.

His voting record shows that he supports a woman's right to choose, and Roe V Wade, and public funding of abortion

Anyone would be very foolish not to vote for Hillary based on this, but he really can't say stupid things, especially things that contradict his own record

[SharonClark]

32. He affirmed that he has NOT changed his mind and supports Hyde after his staff confirmed

just two days ago that he SUPPORTS the repeal of Hyde. PP and NARAL issued very strong statements that they plan to educate him about the importance of repealing Hyde.

[still_one]

52. and two days ago, Tim Kaine privately told Hillary Clinton he will support repeal of the Hyde

Amendment.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/07/27/catholic-tim-kaine-now-for-taxpayerfunded-abortion-n2198804

Kaine also said he supports the Democratic platform, which supports public funding of abortion, so he is contradicting himself there also

While Tim Kaine is by all appearance flip-flopping on this issue, Hillary will be the President, and Kaine will follow the President's lead, and her position is to repeal the Hyde Amendment, but more important the next President will appoint at least 2 Supreme Court Justices

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. Vice Presidents don't vote on legislation

except if (rarely) needed to break a tie in the Senate - in which case he'd be obligated to take the administration's position. Assuming that as a senator he would vote to keep the Hyde Amendment alive if the issue came up again, it's better that he's not in the Senate.

[still_one]

38. no, and he is contradicting himself, because he has supported public funding for abortion

Don't weaken or subvert the basic holding of Roe v. Wade. (Oct 2012)
Don't deny privacy to women making health care decisions. (Sep 2012)
If life begins at conception, we must outlaw contraception. (Dec 2011)
Personally opposed to abortion, but it shouldn't be outlawed. (Jul 2008)
Parental consent; ban partial birth; informed consent. (Jul 2008)
Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion. (Nov 2005)
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. (Nov 2005)
Supports public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Tim_Kaine.htm

but he really has to be more careful on interviews

[riderinthestorm]

37. Ugh. Just wrong. I'll take my hide for the despair nt

[still_one]

39. You won't get a hide for that. Kaine screwed up, and it was stupid thing to say, however, it

is recoverable because he is contradicting himself:

Don't weaken or subvert the basic holding of Roe v. Wade. (Oct 2012)
Don't deny privacy to women making health care decisions. (Sep 2012)
If life begins at conception, we must outlaw contraception. (Dec 2011)
Personally opposed to abortion, but it shouldn't be outlawed. (Jul 2008)
Parental consent; ban partial birth; informed consent. (Jul 2008)
Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion. (Nov 2005)
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. (Nov 2005)
Supports public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Tim_Kaine.htm

I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he was mixed up with the hyde amendment, and misspoke

He will support Hillary positions, but he cannot do things like this, or we have the potential to lose votes

[Arugula Latte]

41. Well, that fucking sucks but doesn't surprise me

because this is a very right of center ticket for s "Democratic" team.

Ugh.

[GulfCoast66]

47. got to disagree

A president who is in favor of public funding and a subordinate VP who is not. While I may disagree with the VP, this is not right of center. It is not hard left, but if the boss favors public funding, we are firmly on the left side in the US. There is a reason Hyde has not been overturned yet. It is not a slam dunk politically.

In this country, favoring no government interference with Abortion is being on the left.

[giftedgirl77]

53. Errrr my God those evil dems are up to no good.

[leftofcool]

56. Good grief!

Amazing that people do not know the difference between personally held beliefs and doing what is right for the good of the country. If Hillary wants the Hyde Amendment repealed, it will get done regardless of how Kaine "feels" about it.

[R B Garr]

58. Yeah, and I seem to remember he explained this in his first appearance

with Clinton...? I guess we're into the confused concern phase now. Not enough to just be "concerned".

[kiva]

59. So we can mark you as OK

with Dems who oppose public funding for abortions? Glad to see you're upfront with your regressive position.

[giftedgirl77]

60. Lol, aren't you cute.

[kiva]

65. I think so,

but that's just me.

[GeorgeGist]

69. BOO.

Poor vetting.