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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 12:36 AM Aug 2016

Does anybody remember another election where a significant number of politicians

publicly refused to support their party's nominee? I can't think of an election anything like this one. Even as divided as the Democrats were in 1968 I don't recall major politicians saying they wouldn't vote for Humphrey. This is the weirdest political season I can remember.

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Does anybody remember another election where a significant number of politicians (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2016 OP
1972 RandySF Aug 2016 #1
Yeah, '72. Probably 1844 and 1860, too . . . Journeyman Aug 2016 #2
mcgovern was a god compared to trump. unblock Aug 2016 #3
Yes, but Eagleton was certifiable, and therein lies the rub for that disaster . . . Journeyman Aug 2016 #5
Certifiable? Because he sought treatment for depression? VOX Aug 2016 #9
Because we've never had a party this crazy Cali_Democrat Aug 2016 #4
Yep, Trump is the product of their making. Garrett78 Aug 2016 #7
Not in my lifetime. KMOD Aug 2016 #6
1964? Freddie Aug 2016 #8
Not on a daily basis, no. VOX Aug 2016 #10
ReTHUGs called out David Duke malaise Aug 2016 #11
David Duke when he ran for governor in 1991 (nt) Recursion Aug 2016 #12

Journeyman

(15,037 posts)
2. Yeah, '72. Probably 1844 and 1860, too . . .
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 12:49 AM
Aug 2016

Lot of divisive issues in the latter two campaigns, while '72 and this year swirl around incompetent candidates.

unblock

(52,286 posts)
3. mcgovern was a god compared to trump.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 12:55 AM
Aug 2016

by all rights trump should get even fewer electoral votes, but the right-wing has parts of this country so screwed up than even he'll carry at least 20 states easily.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
9. Certifiable? Because he sought treatment for depression?
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 05:50 AM
Aug 2016

It was more of a reflection of the ignorance that still surrounded behavioral illnesses in 1972. Compared with Trump, Eagleton was a well-liked, compassionate human being who was fully functional.

When he was asked if there was anything in his background that could cause problems for McGovern's campaign, Eagleton said there was not. He did not mention he'd been hospitalized three times for depression and that he was treated twice with electroshock therapy. Sadly, that was very short-sighted, although his bad move is likely attributable to the heavy stigma attached to mental illness back then.

Per the New York Times Obituary, 3/5/2007 (can't link to article, using phone r/n):

"...But rumors began circulating among politicians and journalists. Mr. Eagleton held a news conference on July 25 in Custer, S.D., where he had just briefed the vacationing Mr. McGovern over breakfast. Mr. Eagleton told reporters that he had been treated for “nervous exhaustion.” But in response to questions, he acknowledged that the treatment had included psychiatric counseling and electric shocks.

That day Mr. McGovern said, “I think Tom Eagleton is fully qualified in mind, body and spirit to be the vice president of the United States and, if necessary, to take on the presidency on a moment’s notice.” As objections to Mr. Eagleton mounted, Mr. McGovern insisted that he was “1,000 percent for Tom Eagleton.”

But the pressure from party leaders, campaign contributors and members of Mr. McGovern’s own staff was unrelenting. On July 31, the candidates met again, this time in Washington, and Mr. McGovern forced Mr. Eagleton to withdraw. He stepped down after 18 days as the nominee, saying he had done so for the sake of “party unity.”

Mr. Eagleton campaigned hard for the ticket of Mr. McGovern and his replacement, R. Sargent Shriver, but they failed to carry Missouri or any other state except Massachusetts as President Richard M. Nixon swept to a resounding re-election victory.

<snip>

Mr. McGovern said last April that he had come to regret his removal of Mr. Eagleton. “If had it to do over again, I’d have kept him,” Mr. McGovern said. “I didn’t know anything about mental illness. Nobody did.”

He said that in recent years he and Mr. Eagleton had been on good terms, and that he regarded Mr. Eagleton as one of the 10 or 12 best senators with whom he had served.

Returning to Congress after he was dropped from the ticket, Mr. Eagleton took a leading role in legislation to halt the United States’ bombing of Cambodia in 1973. When, in 1984, he announced that he would not seek a fourth term two years later, he called the Cambodia legislation his top achievement in the Senate.

He was also a leading sponsor of the War Powers Act, which was intended to limit the president’s ability to make war without Congressional approval. In the end, however, he voted against the bill in 1973, contending it had been watered down too much.

A chain smoker, Mr. Eagleton fought tobacco subsidies. He was a leading advocate of the 1974 Turkish Arms embargo. In 1982, as the Senate debated ousting Sen. Harrison A. Williams of New Jersey, who had been convicted of bribery and conspiracy in the Abscam influence-peddling scandal, Mr. Eagleton said, “We should not perpetrate our own disgrace by asking him to remain.”

<snip>

When he announced his retirement in 1984, he said he had served “a full and complete career,” adding, “Public offices should not be held in perpetuity.” But he also complained that runaway campaign spending had put “the stench of money” around the Capitol.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
4. Because we've never had a party this crazy
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 12:59 AM
Aug 2016

Obama drove the Republicans absolutely bonkers by just existing as a black man in the White House.

GOP leadership fomented anger and hatred in their supporters and they tried to ride it to a 2016 victory.

Now the Frankenstein monster they created is devouring them.

The problem isn't Trump.

The problem is the racist GOP base who picked Trump.

And the GOP leadership is to blame for not reigning in the crazy within their party.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
7. Yep, Trump is the product of their making.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 01:31 AM
Aug 2016

Both the subtle/coded rhetoric and outright racism, misogyny and xenophobia over the last several decades (combined with the election and re-election of a black man) has given the GOP what they've been asking for, whether they realize that or not.

That Trump will receive tens of millions of votes goes to show just how f*cked up the US populace is.

Freddie

(9,272 posts)
8. 1964?
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 02:57 AM
Aug 2016

I know that Goldwater was not the choice of many in the GOP that year but did they all "fall in line" after he was nominated? I was very young but I remember my folks watching the convention because PA Gov. William Scranton was a contender and back then the convention results weren't pre-ordained like they are now.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
10. Not on a daily basis, no.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 05:57 AM
Aug 2016

This is a **very** slow train wreck. Every day, there are at least three instances of Trump saying some outrageous crap on multiple media platforms. Simultaneously!

malaise

(269,147 posts)
11. ReTHUGs called out David Duke
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:08 AM
Aug 2016

particularly when he ran for Governor - GHW Bush was loud and clear about opposing Duke. Hasn't won shit since - early 90s.

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