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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:11 AM Nov 2012

Cohn - "Yes, Obama Won a Mandate"

Here is a nice refreshing article that pushes back on efforts to minimize the significance of the re-election of President Obama:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/109818/obama-wins-four-more-years-mandate-agenda-validation-obamacare#

It’s a reasonable and important question. But before we get to it, let’s not forget that the significance of this election is as much about the past as the future. And that shouldn't diminish it.

Romney and the Republicans had turned the election into a referendum on liberalism—not just the liberalism of Obama, but also the liberalism of Johnson and Kennedy, of Truman and Roosevelt. They proposed massive, fundamental changes to the welfare state and wholesale rollbacks of women’s rights, and challenged the philosophy behind such policies—the whole idea that governments should act to protect vulnerable groups and to guarantee economic security.

It was a huge gambit. And it failed. But conservatives aren’t going to drop their agenda. Come January, Paul Ryan will be back in the House of Representatives, running the budget committee, and he’ll find plenty of allies on and off Capitol Hill. But proposals to make Medicare a voucher program, to decimate Medicaid and food stamps, to reduce federal spending by unprecedented increments—those proposals have almost no chance of becoming law, at least in the forseeable future.

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And the most recent addition to the welfare state, the signature accomplishment of Obama’s term, isn’t going anywhere, either. I’ve waited more than two years to write this sentence: The Affordable Care Act is here to stay. It survived the Supreme Court and now it has survived the threat of a unified Republican government determined to repeal it. Implementation of the law will present huge challenges, but, for the first time in a long while, the administration and its allies can focus on those challenges rather than on rearguard political fights to keep the program alive.



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Cha

(297,253 posts)
1. Thanks TomCADem..this is great. There needed to be
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:20 AM
Nov 2012

an article like this with all those punditheads saying no "mandate". Who do they think they are?

President Obama and We The People will Decide that.



h/t http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1757566

And the most recent addition to the welfare state, the signature accomplishment of Obama’s term, isn’t going anywhere, either. I’ve waited more than two years to write this sentence: The Affordable Care Act is here to stay. It survived the Supreme Court and now it has survived the threat of a unified Republican government determined to repeal it. Implementation of the law will present huge challenges, but, for the first time in a long while, the administration and its allies can focus on those challenges rather than on rearguard political fights to keep the program alive.


Amonester

(11,541 posts)
5. All they want is to keep the R's money (they know they have plenty... ummm?)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:20 AM
Nov 2012

future pRo$pect$ coming their way.

That's why they don't want to risk alienating any of them as best as they can.

These know-nothing blowhards have nothing in common with 'journalism' nowadays.

They're only in it for the money (and they think we don't know it).

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. Most important, he won a mandate by the margin of his victory
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:31 AM
Nov 2012

Obama won 332 (yes, I'm counting Florida) electoral votes to Romney's 206, and leads the popular vote (the margin will increase as final numbers come in) by more than 2 million votes (50% to 48%). That's a way bigger margin than many previous presidents

Obama’s win was bigger than John Kennedy’s in 1960 (303 electoral votes, popular vote margin of 112,827), bigger than Richard Nixon’s in 1968 (301 electoral votes, popular vote plurlaity of 512,000), bigger than Jimmy Carter’s in 1976 (297 electoral votes, popular vote margin of 1,683,247), bigger than George W. Bush’s in 2000 (271 electoral votes and a popular vote loss of 543,816). ... Significantly, Rove’s man, George W. Bush won his 2004 re-election run with just 286 electoral votes, and faced serious challenges to the result in the state that put him across the 270 line: Ohio.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171085/obama-bigger-win-kennedy-nixon-carter-bush-or-bush#


He won, and he won decisively. This is the same old thing they tried to do to Clinton: he didn't have a mandate, supposedly, because he didn't have a majority (only a plurality) of the votes in his three-way contests. Bull. When you win the election you have the mandate. Let me repeat to all those Republican (and not so Republican) pundits out there: he's the effing President of the United States. Get over it.

Cha

(297,253 posts)
3. And, another thing.. The Cons aren't going to drop their agenda.. they don't even have Mandate..
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:47 AM
Nov 2012

but is that stopping them from acting like they do?

Romney and the Republicans had turned the election into a referendum on liberalism—not just the liberalism of Obama, but also the liberalism of Johnson and Kennedy, of Truman and Roosevelt. They proposed massive, fundamental changes to the welfare state and wholesale rollbacks of women’s rights, and challenged the philosophy behind such policies—the whole idea that governments should act to protect vulnerable groups and to guarantee economic security.

It was a huge gambit. And it failed. But conservatives aren’t going to drop their agenda. Come January, Paul Ryan will be back in the House of Representatives, running the budget committee, and he’ll find plenty of allies on and off Capitol Hill. But proposals to make Medicare a voucher program, to decimate Medicaid and food stamps, to reduce federal spending by unprecedented increments—those proposals have almost no chance of becoming law, at least in the forseeable future.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
4. A mandate is what you make of it
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:04 AM
Nov 2012

It's ultimately about projection.

For comparison, I think the margin between him and Romney is around 2.8 million so far. The margin between Bush and Kerry was 3,012,171. For Bush, that was a mandate. He called it political capital. Soon he went to throw it all away in a privatized social security blunder and Katrina. Hell he called a 550,000 loss in the popular vote, and a SC decision, a mandate for his agenda.

Even if Obama doesn't get the approximately 3 million margin as Bush vs. Kerry, he has still won many more electoral votes, which are ultimately what determines the winner anyways.

It was a decisive victory. We gained in the Senate and the House.

It IS a mandate.

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