2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBrexit, Russia Today (RT) and Comrade Jill Stein, willing tool of a fascist autocrat.
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Stein in Moscow
Jill Stein appeared to take immense enjoyment at engaging in her usual shtick of attacking our country and President Obama while she was in Moscow last winter, having a lovely dinner with Vladimir Putin and Trump's military advisor, Michael Flynn. Just look at that smile! She seems so pleased with herself. Very nice comrade!
Trump's guy Flynn is in the tux, seated to Putin's right. Stein is wearing a grey sweater.
Invited to speak by Putin's mouthpiece, RT or "Russia Today," Stein herself reports in a video she posted to YouTube that she used the opportunity to criticize US foreign policy and human rights. She apparently declined to bring up Putin and Russia's brutal record on human rights; killing journalists, poisoning dissenters, supporting chemical warfare, and the continued criminalization and state-sanctioned brutality and discrimination against the LGBT citizens of Russia and the Ukraine. Well done comrade!
http://americablog.com/2016/08/jill-stein-moscow-criticized-us-human-rights-said-nothing-russian-human-rights.html
Stein Campaign Ads
So much of what comrade Stein is up to these days points far away from any real concern for a progressive agenda, and more towards doing the bidding of Vladimir Putin and his fondest admirer, Donald Trump.
Stein's advertisements are concerned primarily with spreading lies and smears about our Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton; the only person who can keep Trump out of the White House and our country moving forward on the path of progress. In Stein's ads, the Putin-loving Trump is dismissed quite briefly as kind of a goof who has said terrible things, while HRC is instead painted as the baby-killing harbinger of the end of all life on the planet.
An Open Secrets report dated July 21 states that Stein had a mere $235,000 cash on hand and owed herself $40,000. But lately she's been running a string of ads seen across the country on both CNN and MSNBC. Who is paying for those ads?
It seems only prudent to consider who the ads will benefit the most. Next year, one of two people will be sworn into office. Hillary Rodham Clinton or Putin-loving Donald Trump. Even comrade Stein isn't so stupid as to believe she will win the election. Stein's commercials are clearly designed to weaken HRC, and as such have but one electoral goal - the election of Donald Trump.
Putin, Brexit, and How RT hearts Stein
When Great Britain made the shocking decision to leave the EU, Stein proclaimed the bigotry-driven Brexit an awesome victory! before she scrubbed her praiseful words and said she was against it.
www.forwardprogressives.com/green-party-jill-stein-busted-cover-up-praise-bigotry-driven-brexit/
Hmmm, that's weird. Why was she so happy about the Brexit passing? A weakened EU is beneficial to Putin, and it seems his network, RT did all they could to encourage the "leave" vote, while Putin himself of course, feigned neutrality.
Analysis of recent news stories shows a clear bias towards quoting anti-EU campaigners in articles that claim to show balance. One news story quotes extreme right-wing Polish politician Janusz Korwin-Mikke, who says Britain would be right to leave the EU. (He also offers his support for Trump because Clinton is supported by the Jews.)
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/08/why-putin-is-meddling-in-britain-s-brexit-vote.html
Comrade Stein is a familiar and regular guest on Putin's RT, where she enjoys fawning coverage of her rants against Hillary Clinton and her endless criticisms of the United States. RT speaks of Stein and the Greens in glowing and hopeful tones, stating that they are headed for "an historic election," while running headlines about Hillary Clinton like "NY Primary fraud details revealed, Hillarys Money laundering," "Hillary is used to beating, kicking and abusing her own husband" and "Trump outflanks Hillary after Republican convention."
RT even hosted the Green Party "Presidential debates." I apologize for having no quotes from those debates, but truthfully, I'd rather chew on glass than watch that drivel.
www.rt.com/usa/342395-green-party-rt-debate/
Jill and Putin, Sittin' in a Tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g!
Jill Stein repeatedly claims she is not beholden to corporate interests. It has become remarkably clear however, who exactly she does seem beholden to. Her cozy and close relationship to Putin (the ultimate 1%er) and RT, her reticence to level any serious criticisms of Donald Trump, and her vicious, seething attacks against Hillary show her for what she really is. Jill Stein is the willing tool of a fascist autocrat; working to elect Donald Trump. And thus, henceforth, she will always be to me, Comrade Stein.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)beside all the free stuff, like hosting the "debates" and flying her to Moscow.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)and other extremist groups in Europe. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/08/russia-europe-right-putin-front-national-eu
But of couse that would be entirely illegal in the US
Maru Kitteh
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I'm sure if RT is funding the Green party ads, they will go to some effort to hide it. Stein has not demonstrated herself to be particularly clever though, so I wouldn't bet on the long-term success of such efforts, if she is knowledgeable about their specifics.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)They could land in prison on federal charges.
In a terse four words, the Supreme Court on Monday issued an order upholding prohibitions against foreigners making contributions to influence American elections.
The decision clamped shut an opening that some thought the court had created two years ago in its Citizens United decision, when it relaxed campaign-finance limits on corporations and labor unions. On Monday the Supreme Court, upholding a lower courts decision in Bluman, et al., v. Federal Election Commission, refused to extend its reasoning in Citizens United to cover foreigners living temporarily here.
Foreign nationals, other than lawful permanent residents, are completely banned from donating to candidates or parties, or making independent expenditures in federal, state or local elections.
The Supreme Courts order did not discuss the merits or suggest that there was any dissent among the justices.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/09/supreme-court-retains-ban-on-foreign-campaign-donations/
Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)from Mr. Putin and his network to exercise due caution.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)All I hear is Phil Ochs in my mind "love me, I'm a liberal."
New lyrics for this post
I read Mother Jones and Nation and learned to accept every view
I love me some Bernie Sanders, especially now that the race is through
But when it comes to Stein and Snowden, there's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me. . .I'm a liberal
uhnope
(6,419 posts)EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)FTB - Of course, in a case like this you wouldn't want to bring up anything but ancient memes from the groovy 60s.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)My guess, but I don't know.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)Sometimes my landing gear is a little slow, but it always makes it down eventually.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)such shabby treatment these days.
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)So yes, you should apologize.
pampango
(24,692 posts)He is none of those things. He is a right wing militarist who is friends with conservative politicians the world over. We need to 'get along' with Putin just as we do with many distasteful leaders around the world. That does not make him a liberal.
Red baiting is not a thing anymore.
Asserting treasonous relationships with hostile foreign powers however....
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)That is classic red baiting.
Its really peculiar that a certain set of DU members are just fixated on the irrelevant Stein and her irrelevant Green Party.
It is almost as if they are using this as a surrogate for continuing the primary wars.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)There are almost no communists in Russia. The reference is sardonic.
I'm still anti-communist anyway.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)obamanut2012
(27,649 posts)He just played one on TV.
Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)This has exactly Jack shit to do with any primaries. The primaries are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over. Bernie Sanders and Secretary Clinton are on the same side and he is doing an awesome and amazing job for our party.
Bernie Sanders is working hard to elect Hillary Rodham Clinton as President of the United States.
Russia Today, Vladimir Putin and Jill Stein are working together to attempt to elect Donald Trump. That is what this is about.
Red baiting? It is to laugh! Putin is not a communist or a socialist, and he's sure as hell no liberal. He's a violent, megalomaniacal despot. Most of us are not okay with him getting his polonium-stained fingers into our election, especially this one, and especially when 3-4% can mean everything in a swing state.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)criticism of Stein.
Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)attempt to dismiss the content, and the uncomfortable apparent facts about Stein.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It doesn't fit the definition of "classic red-baiting." Or even red-baiting, classic, new, traditional or any other irrelevant qualifier.
Simply one (more are always better though) peer-reviewed journal or text in regards to this may assist you in better understanding the term, its implication and prevention of further confusion.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Putin is being judged by his actions and they are plenty deserving of the criticism.
obamanut2012
(27,649 posts)Nice try, though.
Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)But I tend to believe in the best intentions of people until they prove otherwise. It's a trait that's bitten me in the ass more than a few times.
I guess parody or not, either way, it's pretty funny.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Wow, I never thought I'd read someone so glaringly misuse "red-bating" on DU, regardless of the year, or the insertion of a less-than-clever cover of a pop song.
NBachers
(17,912 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)That is what you're doing here right? Funny words?
Alkene
(752 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)about Comrade Stein and her relationship with the pathologically violent, fascist despot, Putin.
KewlKat
(5,645 posts)Drumpf Jr says they do have "loans" from Russia.......I feel deep down that Drumpf is using some of that "loan" money to fund his failing campaign and wouldn't doubt Comrade Jill isn't also benefiting in some way via funds. Most disturbing to me is that Mr Flynn sits there among them and he's the "advisor" to Drumpf on military issues............
Surely the state dept knew Jill and Mike were traveling there? Follow the money..............
Maru Kitteh
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I had no idea until I started perusing YouTube and saw the numbers of RT interviews and stories with her. She's there a LOT.
I knew about the 180 she did on Brexit on her Facebook and thought it was odd, but kind of chalked it up to her, um - let's just say I don't think she's a very clever or witful person. Now it makes more sense. Her first, honest position on Brexit was Russia Today's position on Brexit, which is to say, her position was that of Vladimir Putin.
obamanut2012
(27,649 posts)And a real-fur coat.
Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)kind of sums up her character rather well.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Agent Orange is appearing to be more and more the unwitting accomplice (stooge) that Morrell described him as. There was a comment on AmericaBlog that Lowendowsky was also in attendance.....love to know if that was the case. Until we see his tax returns there is no way of knowing how deep the Russian claws are into Trump...Stein, too.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, Stein, Trump's campaign manager Manafort and who knows who else all have ties to Putin.
Putin want a direct line right into the White House to pull Trump's strings if he's President.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)There were (and are) a few here that constantly take Putin's side because the capitalist West is so evil, ya know. Many are over Nut Pine Radicals now, and happily support Stein, who went to Russia, at Russian government expense to an event honoring a Russian propaganda outlet, and gave a speech trashing U.S. foreign policy and human rights. In Russia. FUCK. HER.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Just imagine crazy nationalism, and then imagine the reverse of that aimed at a particular entity, in this case, the US.
Anyone who is against the US becomes someone to root for. That's what I see in Putin worshippers on the left.
Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)and said his campaign was an ideological prop of the capitalist-imperialist settler state
http://americablog.com/2016/08/jill-steins-vp-choice-thinks-bernie-sanders-capitalist-imperalist.html
And as much as the Sandernistas attempt to disarticulate Sanders progressive domestic policies from his documented support for empire (even the Obamaite aphorism The perfect is the enemy of the good is unashamedly deployed), it should be obvious that his campaign is an ideological prop albeit from a center/left position of the logic and interests .
wysi
(1,513 posts)Some people are going to say we're not allowed to criticize her.
Maru Kitteh
(28,825 posts)that Jill is not worth our time, or really just our friend after all. Don't friends usually accuse you of killing little kids, go on Russian state television and tell everyone that you will destroy the entire Earth?