2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFOX Is A Mess...The Right Wing Has Learned Nothing...We Will Be Golden...
Prior to the election I studiously avoided FOX. But now that my foes have been vanquished I am tuning in to get my schadenfreude fix and revel in my enemy's misery.
I tuned in the O'ReillyFactor and he had on noted failed pundits and pollsters including Dick Morris and Scott Rasmussen. There were no questions to Rasmussen about his horrid polling this season including picking the wrong winner in NC, FL, VA, and NH, and in the entire nation. Ras essentially said the electorate looked like America, a diverse one , and nobody expected that. Well, nobody on the right expected that because you , Gallup, and most of the other right leaning pollsters were releasing results that suggested the electorate would look more like 1912 than 2012. You know, lots of white folks, and not many Latinos, Asians, and African Americans.
Dick Morris actually said pretty much the same thing... The man is evil but he's not a fool...Or maybe he's both...Who knows... I think he told his right wing audience who consists largely of innumerate goobers who long for for an America that is no more and never really was that America was not going to re-elect the black fella because they pay for his hookers and that's what they want to hear.
Larry Sabato was on... He did a so so job in pre-election analysis. He had O winning 290-248. He would have been more accurate if he embraced the Bayesian models built by his colleagues in political science like Drew Linzer and Simon Jackman. He tried to tell O'Reilly that the Republicans had a demographic problem that was real and threatened the viability of the party at the national level. O'Reilly's retort was the economy will tank and the Democrats will be finished...That was his analysis. When challenged on it he offered no evidence beyond "Trust me."
How did that jackwagon get a graduate degree from the John F Kennedy School Of Government at Harvard? Because he was a celebrity?
The bottom line is the right is still living in their bubble and that means we're golden.
*From memory. It might be worse.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)that was the same line they used in 2008.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and, then we got the Teabagger results in 2010.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)a State Department official to beard the lion on Benghazi. Go onto to Hannity with the understanding that he has 5 uninterrupted minutes to present his case on Benghazi and then the administration will have five uninterrupted minutes on his show to present their understanding including Powerpoint and documents as needed.
question everything
(47,486 posts)All of them, including Chris Matthews and Jon Stewart should let their guests talk. Stewart has the shortest time for interview but he asks, and then rephrase his question and pretty much half the time allotted is gone.
Were I a guest on either of there, I would just get up, remove the mic and would say: you obviously are not interested in what I have to say so why continue the self dialogue with yourself?
Which is why I never will be there...
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)They have gone way out on the limb with Benghazi with incredible tales. Let Hannity set the pins up and have the official knock them down. No Fox viewer would watch Chris Matthews. John Stewart is not a real journalist and would not be watched by Fox viewers.
I would say O'Reilly, but incredibly he is smarter and less destructive than Hannity. I think between Hannity's hubris and his intellect, he would get utterly creamed. My other wish would be a fixed debate format in which the mic. is turned off when time ends between Hannity and Maddow, but even Hannity is not that stupid.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)It's in their DNA to resist new ideas and change old ones. It's the very definition of Conservatism.
This bodes well for Liberals and progressives.
Blue4Texas
(437 posts)I was really hoping that since they did not look at the evidence that they were losing (Nate, Princton) that this would translate into maybe we're not looking at other facts or evidence either, but it is I that am delusional. Fox continues to spin events with fantasy and in untruths will stay. My relatives are still with Fox looking for answers they will not find there still not realizing, "they can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking they used when they created them." (Einstein)
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)..to show Hispanics that the party "respected" them. Oh yeah....that's all it will take! Those Hispanics just need a bone thrown to them, and business as usual can continue for the GOP! Well, thank god they're that stupid.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)They used him to get a gaming license.
barnabas63
(1,214 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)a major fight for the soul of the party in the off year elections of 2014 leading up to 2016. It may start with the fiscal cliff fight if Cantor decides to challenge Boehner for Speaker of the new Congress. He will lose, imo, which is probably why he will not try it. But if Boehner compromises enough to get Democrats to support a budget proposal which includes higher taxes on the wealthy he will face a tea party challenge in 2014 and the fat will be in the fire. Watch for the tea party to challenge Christie in the NJ gubernatorial primary in 2014 also.
CANDO
(2,068 posts)He always has Faux on. This morning he changed the channel! Said he's tired of non-stop politics. I've never talked politics with him, even though he's tried.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)He may take it out on your hair!
TexasTowelie
(112,230 posts)RosedaleGuy
(89 posts)It's not just the changing demographics. The world is becoming increasingly interconnected. It's becoming less rural and more urban. Young people are growing up free of the bigotry of past generations. The desire for war is waning throughout the world. The GOP's days are numbered.
-LOKI -BAD FOR YA
(308 posts)yashoo
(55 posts)They are fighting what they genuinely believe is a holy war. They cannot change, they will not change
question everything
(47,486 posts)walking down the plank to find the real numbers is priceless.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And then they needed to bring in Michael Barone to talk Rove down.
RosedaleGuy
(89 posts)...but for different reasons.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)They don't like it that he's trying to work with Democrats. I don't trust Boehner at all and think he'll probably demand cuts in earned benefits in exchange for increasing taxes. These people are doomed. They haven't learned anything.
SLCLiberal
(102 posts)introspective narrative over there. It's all "People want free stuff, more than they want to work."
Keep thinking that way and we'll keep winning.