2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTime Has Come Today
It is time for the Republican Party to acknowledge that Donald Trump is not a loose cannon espousing ideas and ideals that are contrary to your partys position, when he is in fact the walking/talking end result of years of your own rhetoric, the typical mindless fool who you have cultivated for decades.
Trumps statements about immigrants, Muslims, women, minorities, et al, are not newly-hatched ideas. They are simply the verbalization of ideas that Republicans have been promoting for years. Trumps greatest sin is not what hes saying; it is the fact that hes actually saying it somehow oblivious to the fact that such things are meant to be kept behind closed doors, or couched in phrases that merely imply anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-women, anti-minorities sentiments in such a way that they can be denied by the very party that fomented those sentiments in the first place.
Donald Trump represents the epitome of everything the GOP has tried to instill in its voters. He is the classic example of being a bigoted, ill-informed liar who appeals to the bigoted, ill-informed voters you rely on in every election. He is everything you believe, everything you promote, everything you surreptitiously espouse. His only failing is that he says what you all want to say, but dont have the balls to state outright.
Trump is your baby now. He is the political monster youve created. He is the end product of decades of right-wing rhetoric meant to foment unbridled anger aimed at anyone who stands on the side of justice, equality, fairness, and national unity.
You spawned him you own him. And feigning Shock! Surprise! Indignation! that he is your partys nominee is as blatantly disingenuous as it gets. Donald Trump was everything you wanted[/] until he started acting like it.
mcar
(42,334 posts)They own him.
Not as eloquent as Nanc but spot on.
Martin Eden
(12,869 posts)One can only conclude that despite being a pathological liar Donald Trump is the only truly honest Republican.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)You expressed those thoughts perfectly, NanceGreggs. Thanks for the fiery rhetoric.
Republicans and Donald Trump are clear and present dangers to our Republic. They must be defeated.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)I saw them perform this in NYC right after the song hit the airwaves. Electrifying!
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)One of my favorite psychedelic songs. Ever.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)calimary
(81,298 posts)It sure fits here. Nance hits it outta the park again.
YOU built this, GOP.
YOU crawled into bed with him. Now he gets to fuck you.
But it behooves ALL of us to make sure he doesn't fuck the rest of us, too.
NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)... that every discussion thread deserves to have a soundtrack.
You - and baldguy at #4 - have both chosen wisely and well.
Thanks!!!
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,854 posts)... Tyler (who went by Ty) hopped in.
I acted like they were singing "Ty has come today!"
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)Perfect.
TonyPDX
(962 posts)3catwoman3
(24,003 posts)Lovely to look at.
Delightful to hold.
But if you break it,
We mark it SOLD.
Caveat emptor. The bull is smashing everything in the china shop, and the price is going to be high.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts).
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)presidential, we can be really pleased with our candidate.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)K&R
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)if they are able to put the beast down before it devours them. And by the beast I am referring not only to Trump, but the entire teabagger and whack-a-doodle base they have used to win so many elections.
Indeed. Time has come today.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Getting them all hot and bothered, caressing and stroking their racism, envy, fear, bigotry and hate - but always pulling out just short of the natural climax of their rhetoric, just shy of any overt articulation of those sick, dark values they embrace.
All those years of using the rhythm method, and suddenly they are shocked and amazed to be looking at such an ugly baby.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)bulloney
(4,113 posts)When all else fails, Republicans get people off the scent by ginning up crap on those four topics.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)their misguided ideas and then act surprised at what happens.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)We see a bunch of Republicans backing away and even some disparaging Trump, but have any had the insight you addressed?
I haven't seen it yet. The denial is like armor.
nruthie
(466 posts)Trump is the embodiment of everything vile that the right-wing has been pushing over the last 40 years. They must be so very proud of their special monster.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)volstork
(5,401 posts)Fantastic post, as per usual.
Rex
(65,616 posts)And for those GOPers fleeing a sinking ship, you need to vote for HRC this election. There is no telling what Trump would do in office and you know this!
At this point only a fool would vote for Trump and would have to admit to being a willful fool.
ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)K&R
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)NBachers
(17,117 posts)still_one
(92,204 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)agingdem
(7,850 posts)60 years of GOP preaching hate and exclusion...Trump!
adigal
(7,581 posts)Said it was a joke. Haven't heard from McConnell, have you?
Hopefully, staying tied to Trump will result in Ryan's loss in the general election..
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)They did it. They celebrated Rush who trashed everything on the Democratic side, no matter what, since the late 80's, until only his type talk radio was available.
They impeached Clinton, because they created this attack Democrat machine all the time no matter what. He was impeached over a blue dress.
They attacked Kerry over his war record because he was a Democrat, and Obama over whether or not he was American, because he was a Democrat.
They created the hate machine they cannot control. Fuck them. I feel bad saying it, but I hope lincoln's party goes away. It's the people who do right who mean the most.
sheshe2
(83,785 posts)K&R!
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)What a surprise! Trump is certainly a loose canon; but is he as insane as he appears, or desperately trying to not actually have to fill the position? Having never heard such insanely ugly accusations toward an opponent in sixty years of interest in politics, I feel that it's obvious he's either insane or pulling the biggest con, ever, in presidential politics. I give no credence to Trump being an undercover Hillary operative. That would never be so off the wall (no pun intended) as to make Trump willingly make such a fool of himself---not likely. Nice to have you back, Nance.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)SpankMe
(2,957 posts)May he stay in the race just so we can see Utah and Mississippi go blue - if just for a short time.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)He speaks clearly from the Id. No parsing of words, no subtlety, no nuance,
no rhetorical acrobatics.
He says what he thinks -- just like Charles Manson or your drunken republican uncle.
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)and have said in "code" for decades. I doubt that he has said anything he did not mean to say in just the way he said it.
The GOP would love to have someone else with a more refined and restrained public face saying the same awful things in traditional GOP speak but that wouldn't suit the TEA PARTY lunatics they have cultivated as their true base over those same decades. Mitt Romney was not outrageous or angry enough, and too smug by half. Dick Cheney came close but he used too many big words. Spiro had the outrage but lacked the raw racist hatred.
When Dylan wrote that "Money doesn't talk, it swears" he was describing Trump. Donald is the ultimate expression of white financial privilege. He is the arrogance of wealth combined with the purist streak of paranoid ignorance. He is the unrestrained bully that cannot be cowed by tradition or culture or law or modesty or faith because he believes those things are worthless, just as several other tyrants well known to us from history. He is also the most refined form of our racist past come home to roost.
All those Karl Rove style palace plots and dirty tricks were leading to this refined expression of nasty political truth: the heart and soul of unrestrained capitalism enthusiastically willing to win at any cost to everyone else, and especially to those most vulnerable and abused. The GOP philosophy of divide and rule in its purest form.
We should not lose sight of those who run in his shadow as lesser forms of the same disease for he gives them cover to promise less harsh versions of what is, if we are honest, the same conceit. Regrettably we have them in both parties. You know them as the ones who are willing to bargain away part of the truth with the handy excuse that it's not as bad as the alternative. That is not justice, it is merely a lesser fraud. To so reason is to ignore where we have come to and how we got there.
Donald Trump is the big capitalist lie told as boldly it as can be. He is the sum of the many years of lies and half truths told and repeated, it must be also said, by an enthusiastic American national press at the behest of their corporate masters. They shamelessly built up Reagan, Bush, and Shrub, and all the empty mythology underlying their reigns because they were paid to do it, and told to do it, because it was fun to ride the magic roller coaster, and because to some extent they share some of that same arrogance of power.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Trump decided that the racist, miysoginistic, hate filled dog whistles were being politically correct, so he just comes out and says it. This is what his voters mean when they say he tells it like it is! They want an overt, hate-filled, shit bag and that is what they got!
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JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Nothing but the truth.
BumRushDaShow
(129,053 posts)and general GOP "dog whistles" and replaced it with "just-blurt-it-all-out-talk".
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Oh he is theirs, alright.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Your voice has been missed.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)just as they deny the certainty of climate change and the efficacy of trickle down economics. The GOP is an immoral organization. Corrupted and indifferently depraved to how their policies and governance hurts people and endangers our country. Interested only in the acquisition of wealth and the subjugation of poor people. What's needed is a massive movement to a return to the morality of valuing people above money, truth telling, and helping poor people become empowered with education.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)blueseas
(11,575 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)I have always loved reading everything you write.
So well thought out and well reasoned.
My question is if you have ever considered running for office?
bigtree
(85,996 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)tRump's syndrome?
tRump is the Republican base's wet dream, a sociopath who lies without compunction and doesn't care if there's a string of victims in his wake. Maybe this coming election will demonstrate if bigotry pays.
livetohike
(22,144 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Saviolo
(3,282 posts)The GOP, the Tea Party, and the "Freedom Caucus" have all be riding high on that rhetoric for years, now. Decades, even. It speaks to a very strong base of people that have been primed through propaganda to fully accept the message that these jokers are peddling. The Tea Party capitalized on a vague uneasiness that middle America felt about change and progressive movements, and managed to turn it into a full-blown movement that had undercurrents of racism, homophobia, and elitism disguised as protection of "traditional values."
But they've flown too high with these messages. They've gotten too close to their bright orange sun, and the wings started by Reagan and completed by Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, and a host of other right-wing architects are starting to melt. I'd love to see Trump cause a fall so disastrous to the GOP that they aren't even a viable policy party for another 30 years. Let's see what a few actual progressives can do in the top seat for a while!
wiggs
(7,814 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Time Has Come Today
ladym55
(2,577 posts)He actually clearly and loudly states what the Republicans have implied for decades. When a political party builds its coalition based on fear, ignorance, racism, and misogyny, eventually you get a Trump. This has been a political party devoid of ideas (aside from lining the pockets of the very wealthy) and promoting lies for a very long time.
Trump is no outlier--he just doesn't use the dog whistle.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)FairWinds
(1,717 posts)at the feet of Reich Wing radio, TV and newspapers.
Not only do they spread hate, but they also have turned large
swathes of Americans against science (climate change, evolution, etc.),
professionalism (they routinely attack basic accounting, public ]
administrators, etc.)
It is the Reich media, not the GOP, that is in all those medical offices,
small business shop floors, and dairy barns . .
The GOP could not do it without Roger Ailes, Rush, Clear Channel, etc.
My two cents.
love_katz
(2,579 posts)Thank you, Nance. Overjoyed to see these issues stated so clearly. Bravo, and welcome back!
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,627 posts)Jeff and Chris join me in saying BRAVA!
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Without the people who did this to them, what's left?
samplegirl
(11,479 posts)Your voice is needed!
crim son
(27,464 posts)in her recent interview on NPR, made the claim that Trump doesn't represent "old fashioned" republican values. Well, who has, for the last decade and a half?
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)Wonderfully written.. as usual Nance!!