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NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 10:08 PM Aug 2016

Time Has Come Today

It is time for the Republican Party to acknowledge that Donald Trump is not a loose cannon espousing ideas and ideals that are contrary to your party’s position, when he is in fact the walking/talking end result of years of your own rhetoric, the typical mindless fool who you have cultivated for decades.

Trump’s statements about immigrants, Muslims, women, minorities, et al, are not newly-hatched ideas. They are simply the verbalization of ideas that Republicans have been promoting for years. Trump’s greatest sin is not what he’s saying; it is the fact that he’s actually saying it – somehow oblivious to the fact that such things are meant to be kept behind closed doors, or couched in phrases that merely imply anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, anti-women, anti-minorities sentiments in such a way that they can be denied by the very party that fomented those sentiments in the first place.

Donald Trump represents the epitome of everything the GOP has tried to instill in its voters. He is the classic example of being a bigoted, ill-informed liar who appeals to the bigoted, ill-informed voters you rely on in every election. He is everything you believe, everything you promote, everything you surreptitiously espouse. His only failing is that he says what you all want to say, but don’t have the balls to state outright.

Trump is your baby now. He is the political monster you’ve created. He is the end product of decades of right-wing rhetoric meant to foment unbridled anger aimed at anyone who stands on the side of justice, equality, fairness, and national unity.

You spawned him – you own him. And feigning Shock! Surprise! Indignation! that he is your party’s nominee is as blatantly disingenuous as it gets. Donald Trump was everything you wanted[/] – until he started acting like it.

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Time Has Come Today (Original Post) NanceGreggs Aug 2016 OP
Hoist with their own petard! mcar Aug 2016 #1
Perfect sellitman Aug 2016 #54
Spot-On, Nance Martin Eden Aug 2016 #2
As usual, an excellent post PJMcK Aug 2016 #3
. baldguy Aug 2016 #4
First thing I thought of also. FailureToCommunicate Aug 2016 #8
I was going to put that up if nobody else did... Still In Wisconsin Aug 2016 #10
Also this... SunSeeker Aug 2016 #16
DAYUM. Love this song! calimary Aug 2016 #28
I'm beginning to think ... NanceGreggs Aug 2016 #33
It's easy with your inspiration, Nance! SunSeeker Aug 2016 #35
I love that song. I used to play it in my car when an old teenager friend named... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #64
"Cuckoo." GreenEyedLefty Aug 2016 #70
Needs more cowbell!! TonyPDX Aug 2016 #75
"You spawned him – you own him." 3catwoman3 Aug 2016 #5
Great post Nance Gothmog Aug 2016 #6
Concur. Completely. madamesilverspurs Aug 2016 #7
K&R! Great Post! n/t DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #9
Hillary has looked presidential from the beginning but compared to Trump, she really looks Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #11
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT Skittles Aug 2016 #12
Yup. Trump belongs to them. They own him. We will now see Still In Wisconsin Aug 2016 #13
K&R Cary Aug 2016 #14
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2016 #15
The Republican party has been using "the rhythm method" on their voters for decades Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #17
Guns - Gays - God YOHABLO Aug 2016 #39
and Gynecology. bulloney Aug 2016 #47
lol. Fits perfectly with the rhythm method too. nt Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #61
They won't migrate their ideas to what people want, so they run with the people who migrate to world wide wally Aug 2016 #18
Ronald Reagan - Mississippi's Neshoba County n/t hibbing Aug 2016 #19
I agree with you 100%. I wonder if there is any evidence that any of them are realizing this? aikoaiko Aug 2016 #20
Thanks for the great post. nruthie Aug 2016 #21
Spot On! KMOD Aug 2016 #22
Great to see you again, Nance! volstork Aug 2016 #23
The entire party needs to denounce him at once. I doubt they will, but they should. Rex Aug 2016 #24
YES! ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #25
Nailed it as usual. Great post! leftofcool Aug 2016 #26
Thank you, Nance- I'm glad you're here. NBachers Aug 2016 #27
Well said Nance. Thanks still_one Aug 2016 #29
K&R DesertRat Aug 2016 #30
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc agingdem Aug 2016 #31
They did...Ryan didn't withdraw his support, he made excuses adigal Aug 2016 #32
I was thinking of this earlier. rusty quoin Aug 2016 #34
They own him. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #36
Succinctly put. Precisely what many "pundits" are now somewhat carefully acknowledging. maddiemom Aug 2016 #37
Reminds me of a Porky Pig quote... chwaliszewski Aug 2016 #38
Nailed it Nance!!!! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #40
Hear, hear! SpankMe Aug 2016 #41
That's right. He's not using coded or dog-whistle language. King_Klonopin Aug 2016 #42
Donald Trump is the unfiltered voice of the Republican Party. He's saying what they actually think Ford_Prefect Aug 2016 #43
Yes! Trump's attack on political correctness is what his voters like. Dustlawyer Aug 2016 #55
Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #67
Perfect analysis JustAnotherGen Aug 2016 #44
He effectively ended Lee Atwater's era of "code talk" BumRushDaShow Aug 2016 #45
Nailed it. Bobbie Jo Aug 2016 #46
Hi Nance! So glad to see your posts back here on DU. annabanana Aug 2016 #48
GOP voters will deny responsibility for Trump vlyons Aug 2016 #49
After the election the revolution will continue. WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2016 #77
K&R blueseas Aug 2016 #50
Personal Question for the OP Funtatlaguy Aug 2016 #51
k&r bigtree Aug 2016 #52
So when is Tourette's going to be called The Wizard Aug 2016 #53
Excellent as usual Nance! livetohike Aug 2016 #56
That's the truth! Every bit of this. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #57
Trump is the GOP/Tea Party's "Icarus Factor" Saviolo Aug 2016 #58
Loud and wrong is a virtue in the GOP. nt wiggs Aug 2016 #59
Well said. GoneOffShore Aug 2016 #60
Applause!!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2016 #62
Someone forgot to tell the Donald to use the dog whistle ladym55 Aug 2016 #63
K&R! stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #65
Agree completely! Lifelong Protester Aug 2016 #66
I would also lay a good chunk of the blame . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #68
kick and rec love_katz Aug 2016 #69
You hit a home run last night, my dear Nance! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2016 #71
... and a celebrity shall lead them." GeorgeGist Aug 2016 #72
out of the park, Nance. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #73
The most delicious part is that they can't win Cary Aug 2016 #74
Bravo Nance!!! samplegirl Aug 2016 #76
Susan Collins, crim son Aug 2016 #78
K&R Peacetrain Aug 2016 #79

Martin Eden

(12,869 posts)
2. Spot-On, Nance
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 10:17 PM
Aug 2016

One can only conclude that despite being a pathological liar Donald Trump is the only truly honest Republican.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
3. As usual, an excellent post
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 10:20 PM
Aug 2016

You expressed those thoughts perfectly, NanceGreggs. Thanks for the fiery rhetoric.

Republicans and Donald Trump are clear and present dangers to our Republic. They must be defeated.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
8. First thing I thought of also.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 10:53 PM
Aug 2016

I saw them perform this in NYC right after the song hit the airwaves. Electrifying!

calimary

(81,298 posts)
28. DAYUM. Love this song!
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 12:17 AM
Aug 2016

It sure fits here. Nance hits it outta the park again.

YOU built this, GOP.

YOU crawled into bed with him. Now he gets to fuck you.

But it behooves ALL of us to make sure he doesn't fuck the rest of us, too.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
33. I'm beginning to think ...
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 12:52 AM
Aug 2016

... that every discussion thread deserves to have a soundtrack.

You - and baldguy at #4 - have both chosen wisely and well.

Thanks!!!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,854 posts)
64. I love that song. I used to play it in my car when an old teenager friend named...
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 01:05 PM
Aug 2016

... Tyler (who went by Ty) hopped in.

I acted like they were singing "Ty has come today!"

3catwoman3

(24,003 posts)
5. "You spawned him – you own him."
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 10:32 PM
Aug 2016

Lovely to look at.
Delightful to hold.

But if you break it,
We mark it SOLD.

Caveat emptor. The bull is smashing everything in the china shop, and the price is going to be high.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
11. Hillary has looked presidential from the beginning but compared to Trump, she really looks
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:06 PM
Aug 2016

presidential, we can be really pleased with our candidate.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
13. Yup. Trump belongs to them. They own him. We will now see
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:08 PM
Aug 2016

if they are able to put the beast down before it devours them. And by the beast I am referring not only to Trump, but the entire teabagger and whack-a-doodle base they have used to win so many elections.

Indeed. Time has come today.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
17. The Republican party has been using "the rhythm method" on their voters for decades
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:32 PM
Aug 2016

Getting them all hot and bothered, caressing and stroking their racism, envy, fear, bigotry and hate - but always pulling out just short of the natural climax of their rhetoric, just shy of any overt articulation of those sick, dark values they embrace.

All those years of using the rhythm method, and suddenly they are shocked and amazed to be looking at such an ugly baby.





bulloney

(4,113 posts)
47. and Gynecology.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 06:47 AM
Aug 2016

When all else fails, Republicans get people off the scent by ginning up crap on those four topics.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
18. They won't migrate their ideas to what people want, so they run with the people who migrate to
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:35 PM
Aug 2016

their misguided ideas and then act surprised at what happens.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
20. I agree with you 100%. I wonder if there is any evidence that any of them are realizing this?
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:38 PM
Aug 2016

We see a bunch of Republicans backing away and even some disparaging Trump, but have any had the insight you addressed?

I haven't seen it yet. The denial is like armor.

nruthie

(466 posts)
21. Thanks for the great post.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:42 PM
Aug 2016

Trump is the embodiment of everything vile that the right-wing has been pushing over the last 40 years. They must be so very proud of their special monster.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. The entire party needs to denounce him at once. I doubt they will, but they should.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 11:49 PM
Aug 2016

And for those GOPers fleeing a sinking ship, you need to vote for HRC this election. There is no telling what Trump would do in office and you know this!

At this point only a fool would vote for Trump and would have to admit to being a willful fool.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
32. They did...Ryan didn't withdraw his support, he made excuses
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 12:39 AM
Aug 2016

Said it was a joke. Haven't heard from McConnell, have you?

Hopefully, staying tied to Trump will result in Ryan's loss in the general election..

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
34. I was thinking of this earlier.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 12:53 AM
Aug 2016

They did it. They celebrated Rush who trashed everything on the Democratic side, no matter what, since the late 80's, until only his type talk radio was available.

They impeached Clinton, because they created this attack Democrat machine all the time no matter what. He was impeached over a blue dress.

They attacked Kerry over his war record because he was a Democrat, and Obama over whether or not he was American, because he was a Democrat.

They created the hate machine they cannot control. Fuck them. I feel bad saying it, but I hope lincoln's party goes away. It's the people who do right who mean the most.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
37. Succinctly put. Precisely what many "pundits" are now somewhat carefully acknowledging.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 01:03 AM
Aug 2016

What a surprise! Trump is certainly a loose canon; but is he as insane as he appears, or desperately trying to not actually have to fill the position? Having never heard such insanely ugly accusations toward an opponent in sixty years of interest in politics, I feel that it's obvious he's either insane or pulling the biggest con, ever, in presidential politics. I give no credence to Trump being an undercover Hillary operative. That would never be so off the wall (no pun intended) as to make Trump willingly make such a fool of himself---not likely. Nice to have you back, Nance.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
41. Hear, hear!
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 02:28 AM
Aug 2016

May he stay in the race just so we can see Utah and Mississippi go blue - if just for a short time.

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
42. That's right. He's not using coded or dog-whistle language.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 03:15 AM
Aug 2016

He speaks clearly from the Id. No parsing of words, no subtlety, no nuance,
no rhetorical acrobatics.

He says what he thinks -- just like Charles Manson or your drunken republican uncle.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
43. Donald Trump is the unfiltered voice of the Republican Party. He's saying what they actually think
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 04:22 AM
Aug 2016

and have said in "code" for decades. I doubt that he has said anything he did not mean to say in just the way he said it.

The GOP would love to have someone else with a more refined and restrained public face saying the same awful things in traditional GOP speak but that wouldn't suit the TEA PARTY lunatics they have cultivated as their true base over those same decades. Mitt Romney was not outrageous or angry enough, and too smug by half. Dick Cheney came close but he used too many big words. Spiro had the outrage but lacked the raw racist hatred.

When Dylan wrote that "Money doesn't talk, it swears" he was describing Trump. Donald is the ultimate expression of white financial privilege. He is the arrogance of wealth combined with the purist streak of paranoid ignorance. He is the unrestrained bully that cannot be cowed by tradition or culture or law or modesty or faith because he believes those things are worthless, just as several other tyrants well known to us from history. He is also the most refined form of our racist past come home to roost.

All those Karl Rove style palace plots and dirty tricks were leading to this refined expression of nasty political truth: the heart and soul of unrestrained capitalism enthusiastically willing to win at any cost to everyone else, and especially to those most vulnerable and abused. The GOP philosophy of divide and rule in its purest form.

We should not lose sight of those who run in his shadow as lesser forms of the same disease for he gives them cover to promise less harsh versions of what is, if we are honest, the same conceit. Regrettably we have them in both parties. You know them as the ones who are willing to bargain away part of the truth with the handy excuse that it's not as bad as the alternative. That is not justice, it is merely a lesser fraud. To so reason is to ignore where we have come to and how we got there.

Donald Trump is the big capitalist lie told as boldly it as can be. He is the sum of the many years of lies and half truths told and repeated, it must be also said, by an enthusiastic American national press at the behest of their corporate masters. They shamelessly built up Reagan, Bush, and Shrub, and all the empty mythology underlying their reigns because they were paid to do it, and told to do it, because it was fun to ride the magic roller coaster, and because to some extent they share some of that same arrogance of power.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
55. Yes! Trump's attack on political correctness is what his voters like.
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 08:38 AM
Aug 2016

Trump decided that the racist, miysoginistic, hate filled dog whistles were being politically correct, so he just comes out and says it. This is what his voters mean when they say he tells it like it is! They want an overt, hate-filled, shit bag and that is what they got!

Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #43)

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
45. He effectively ended Lee Atwater's era of "code talk"
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 06:29 AM
Aug 2016

and general GOP "dog whistles" and replaced it with "just-blurt-it-all-out-talk".

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
49. GOP voters will deny responsibility for Trump
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 07:37 AM
Aug 2016

just as they deny the certainty of climate change and the efficacy of trickle down economics. The GOP is an immoral organization. Corrupted and indifferently depraved to how their policies and governance hurts people and endangers our country. Interested only in the acquisition of wealth and the subjugation of poor people. What's needed is a massive movement to a return to the morality of valuing people above money, truth telling, and helping poor people become empowered with education.

Funtatlaguy

(10,878 posts)
51. Personal Question for the OP
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 07:57 AM
Aug 2016

I have always loved reading everything you write.
So well thought out and well reasoned.

My question is if you have ever considered running for office?

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
53. So when is Tourette's going to be called
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 08:16 AM
Aug 2016

tRump's syndrome?
tRump is the Republican base's wet dream, a sociopath who lies without compunction and doesn't care if there's a string of victims in his wake. Maybe this coming election will demonstrate if bigotry pays.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
58. Trump is the GOP/Tea Party's "Icarus Factor"
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 09:40 AM
Aug 2016

The GOP, the Tea Party, and the "Freedom Caucus" have all be riding high on that rhetoric for years, now. Decades, even. It speaks to a very strong base of people that have been primed through propaganda to fully accept the message that these jokers are peddling. The Tea Party capitalized on a vague uneasiness that middle America felt about change and progressive movements, and managed to turn it into a full-blown movement that had undercurrents of racism, homophobia, and elitism disguised as protection of "traditional values."

But they've flown too high with these messages. They've gotten too close to their bright orange sun, and the wings started by Reagan and completed by Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, and a host of other right-wing architects are starting to melt. I'd love to see Trump cause a fall so disastrous to the GOP that they aren't even a viable policy party for another 30 years. Let's see what a few actual progressives can do in the top seat for a while!

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
63. Someone forgot to tell the Donald to use the dog whistle
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 12:55 PM
Aug 2016

He actually clearly and loudly states what the Republicans have implied for decades. When a political party builds its coalition based on fear, ignorance, racism, and misogyny, eventually you get a Trump. This has been a political party devoid of ideas (aside from lining the pockets of the very wealthy) and promoting lies for a very long time.

Trump is no outlier--he just doesn't use the dog whistle.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
68. I would also lay a good chunk of the blame . .
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 03:21 PM
Aug 2016

at the feet of Reich Wing radio, TV and newspapers.

Not only do they spread hate, but they also have turned large
swathes of Americans against science (climate change, evolution, etc.),
professionalism (they routinely attack basic accounting, public ]
administrators, etc.)

It is the Reich media, not the GOP, that is in all those medical offices,
small business shop floors, and dairy barns . .

The GOP could not do it without Roger Ailes, Rush, Clear Channel, etc.

My two cents.

love_katz

(2,579 posts)
69. kick and rec
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 03:32 PM
Aug 2016

Thank you, Nance. Overjoyed to see these issues stated so clearly. Bravo, and welcome back!

Cary

(11,746 posts)
74. The most delicious part is that they can't win
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 07:11 PM
Aug 2016

Without the people who did this to them, what's left?

crim son

(27,464 posts)
78. Susan Collins,
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 09:42 PM
Aug 2016

in her recent interview on NPR, made the claim that Trump doesn't represent "old fashioned" republican values. Well, who has, for the last decade and a half?

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