2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWith apologies: Now for the bad news.
Yesterday I was brimming with confidence about... well, everything regarding the upcoming election.
Today, I'm reminded that that is unwise.
Hillary has the lead, but there are real problems on the horizon regarding taking back the Senate. Yes, Duckworth and Feingold are prohibitive favorites. In Wisconsin, where a new poll shows HRC with a big lead, today a Federal Appeals Court stayed the ruling by the lower district court that through a spoke in the works of republican attempts to suppress minority voters:
Federal appeals court issues stay of voter ID ruling
read:http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/federal-appeals-court-issues-stay-of-voter-id-ruling/article_da79480c-9d7a-5bf4-8240-8ab3c21f97b4.html
Two new polls show Trump stabilizing.
Bloomberg has her up by 6- outside the MoE but not comfortable, and down from the previous poll.
The UPI tracking poll:
WASHINGTON, Aug. 10 (UPI) -- Donald Trump stabilized his polling numbers for a second day, gaining ground while Hillary Clinton slipped slightly in the UPI/CVoter daily presidential tracking poll released Wednesday.
As of data collected since Monday, Clinton leads the race by 3.5 percentage points, 48.5 percent to Trump's 45 percent.
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http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/08/10/UPICVoter-poll-Trump-stabilizes-standing-for-a-second-consecutive-day/8001470837116/
And more alarming is this detailed piece:
THE BIG IDEA: In all but one of this years Senate races, the Republican incumbent is meaningfully outperforming Donald Trump in the polls.
An NBC/WSJ/Marist poll that was conducted last month on the eve of the conventions found that both the presidential race and the Senate race in Ohio were tied.
A fresh version of their poll, released last night, showed that Hillary Clinton has opened a 5-point lead over Trump among registered voters in Ohio. At the same time, Republican Sen. Rob Portman who kept his distance from Trump during the convention in Cleveland now leads by 5 points over Democratic challenger Ted Strickland.
That remarkable 10-point spread is quite unusual compared to recent elections, which have become increasingly nationalized.
Its just the latest data point in a stream of public opinion research that has given Mitch McConnell hope he can keep his job as Senate Majority Leader.
A Suffolk poll last week showed Clinton winning Florida by 6 points even as Republican Sen. Marco Rubio led his likely Democratic challenger by 13 points (a 19-point spread). Quinnipiac and Marist surveys last month also showed a 10-point spread in Rubios favor.
-- I reviewed three dozen surveys conducted since late June across the 11 states that will determine control of the upper chamber. On average, the Republican incumbent has outperformed Trump by 8 points. (This includes states that are likely holds for the GOP, such as Iowa, where Clinton leads by 4 points but Sen. Chuck Grassley is up 10 points.)
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/08/10/daily-202-state-polls-give-gop-fresh-hope-for-holding-senate-majority-but-trump-headwinds-might-be-too-strong/57aa8200cd249a2fe363ba0f/
I don't know about anyone else, but I find it all too easy to get overconfident. Trump is so awful and has such a bad case of terminal foot in mouth disease, I keep thinking, it's impossible that he could come back.
There's a lot of wisdom in the words, fight like you're behind, and take nothing for granted.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)This isn't going to be nearly as easy as everyone assumes.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)There is another case pending but the Plaintiffs may be able to get this reverse en banc http://electionlawblog.org/?p=85176
Whatever the full 7th Circuit might do, I expect that is likely the last word (unless there is a Purcell/timing question posed). The Supreme Court on the merits could well split 4-4 if and when the case gets there.
Meanwhile, there is a second case pending in which a trial court ordered different softening measures for Wisconsins voter id law, as well as striking other Wisconsin election laws. That case remains pending on appeal, and is not affected by todays order. (It is not clear if the same panel will have that case.)
RandySF
(58,884 posts)And while it sucks, we still won the most agregious case in NC.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)for me - 538 is a collection of all polls that come in - not just 1 individual poll - which cannot be taken as a measure of what is happening overall...
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
Be well - we are all vigilant - GOTV
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)it isn't possible to calculate a margin of error from a non-random sample.
cali
(114,904 posts)I'm still fairly confident that HRC will win, but becoming overconfident and ignoring such information regarding the discrepancies between her polling in certain purple states and the polling of Senate candidates the same states, is a warning bell.
Overconfidence is dangerous.
pnwmom
(108,979 posts)in the race poses no threat.
But I also don't think we should let ourselves get demoralized by fake polls like UPI's and Dornsife's.
cali
(114,904 posts)pnwmom
(108,979 posts)then you wouldn't be saying she's irrelevant.
Nader changed the 2000 election outcome with only 2.74% of the national vote because he, like Stein, concentrated his campaign efforts on the swing states.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)GOTV
onehandle
(51,122 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Justice
(7,188 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)The Senate and House races, not so much. I had hoped for down-ticket bump from Hillary's lead but I expect GOPers will fight to hold on to their advantage there.