2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBREAKING: Clinton raised...$143 M in August
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Gabriel Debenedetti ?@gdebenedetti 49mJUST IN: Hillary Clinton brought in $143 million for the campaign and the party in August. Whoa.
Between the campaign, the victory fund, and the action fund, Team Clinton has over $150 million in the bank to start September.
What was Clinton doing this month instead of appearing in public? Raising $, hence this enormous Aug haul. Expect far more trail time now.
Clinton's fundraising figures also help put this new six-figure TV ad buy in Arizona in context: it's barely a drop in the bucket.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)I've never seen a more stark, more complete contrast than the one we have before us now.
Stein and her band of fuckwits trying to claim the two sides are just the same have never looked more stupid than they do today.
workersuntie
(34 posts)Yes, many of her supporters are insufferable fools, and yes, she herself is certainly no prize. But I just can't help thinking that by November 9, she and her minions will have proved themselves to have been much sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)if they will pull their heads out of their peevish little butts long enough to see that their selfish and vindictive need to lash out in the voting booth has great potential to cause actual harm to the vulnerable people all around them.
We need EVERY vote.
workersuntie
(34 posts)How do you REALLY feel about those AZ Steinbots?
Kidding aside, I hope you're not losing any sleep over them. I've been watching these infernal popularity contests with FAR too much interest since 1964, and FWIW, I really do suspect that when all's said and done and the dust's settled on this one, the world's only question in these regards will be, Jill who?
winstars
(4,220 posts)workersuntie
(34 posts)Although actually I've been here since 2005. Long story short, this is my second DU account. I might say that all this makes me feel old, but it doesn't. Looking at the date on my driver's license -- that makes me feel old.
MerryBlooms
(11,769 posts)workersuntie
(34 posts)I'm not even going to try to remember all the byzantine ins-and-outs of how things developed. But post #40 (below) will probably get you in the ballpark.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)And while I lose no sleep, neither will I rest contentedly and allow that crackpot to blather her inanity without challenge. Republicans and Democrats are not the same. Trump represents a unique threat that is without recent equal, and this is perhaps the worst time possible to molly-coddle the feeeeelings of those who would sell the vulnerable among us down the river for their spite.
The lessons of 2000 were too painful, and we suffer still from that travesty, courtesy of Nader and those who were duped into his self-interested sales pitch.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I have so many hard-core "won't vote for Hillary no matter what" friends on Facebook and they are so incredibly stubborn.
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)So disgusted with Stein. However, I hope that she won't be a factor anywhere.
Is within the margin of error of having no support at all.
MADem
(135,425 posts)because she CAN.
She appeals to the worst in people and she is funded by the worst of people (right wingers who give her massive amounts of cash to run pointless ads).
Just like her pal, Ralph.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)They helped elect Bush...Greens... they should rename their party the GOP Green party...they take money from the GOP and they hate Democrats...and are willing to help elect Republicans especially Trump...that makes them persona non grata...they need to stay far away from this site and other progressive sites because they are of the right ...and not left...actions speak louder than their faux left talking points...they help Republicans.
workersuntie
(34 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 1, 2016, 08:03 PM - Edit history (1)
... and lots of Greens and former Greens will not vote for Stein and did not vote for Nader.
Surely you don't want to smear everyone on the left who's anything other than a rank-and-file, totally conventional Democrat as somehow being pro-Trump, Republican stooges, do you?
I've voted almost exclusively Democratic (and certainly never Republican) in every election since 1976, and I've knocked on doors and stuffed envelopes for -- and donated money that I most assuredly could not afford to -- nothing but Democrats going back to 1972.
But do I need to stay the hell away from this site or risk someone's vicious wrath because I was a Minnesota Green Party member in 2002 and 2003?
How about those who resonate strongly with Henry Wallace Progressivism? Are they unwelcome here, too?
Who decides? Are there loyalty pledges to be signed?
"Real" progressives -- and loyal, thoughtful Democratic voters -- come in all kinds of packages and hail from all kinds of backgrounds.
My least favorite aspect of the 1960s and '70s Left was that ideological purity always seemed to be an issue. It wasn't enough to vote right -- one had to sing properly out of the right hymnal and at the right times, too. If not, oo-baby were you gonna get it.
I don't go for that. If we're voting together and basically working for the same goals together that's good enough for me. I'm not going to demand your unconditional love as well.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)Especially agree with this, which of course, many (most) here don't remember:
"My least favorite aspect of the 1960s and '70s Left was that ideological purity always seemed to be an issue. It wasn't enough to vote right -- one had to sing properly out of the right hymnal and at the right times, too. If not, oo-baby were you gonna get it."
Let's not go down that road again.
WillyBrandt
(3,892 posts)I am one of those morons who voted for Nader. So I speak as a sinner, not from the pulpit.
It is bad enough that the Greens main achievement is to diminish progressive power. It is insufferable that they not only deny that plain fact but that they look down at Dems as a simple shadow of the right.
I personally want the Democratic party to stretch from the progressive left to the center (maybe even with a few center-right refugees). And to hash out how we preserve and advance this country in our own messy, painful, but really good way.
Which is to say I do not understand your post. It is a very good thing to revile Greens in America. They harm the country and are twits all the way. If a person is functionally a progressive Democratic but just like calling themselves a Green, fine, I guess, but it's a bit of a silly affectation unbecoming of a political adult.
workersuntie
(34 posts)I thought I was pretty clear about at least a few things:
(1) I became a Green Party member 14 years ago but left the Party 13 years ago. Tried it, didn't like it. Quit.
(2) I suspect lots of people who are now Greens will vote for HRC -- and not for Jill Stein -- in order to stop Drumpf. I'm for that. Dunno what they see in that Party, but if they're voting against Drumpf, that's all I'm really concerned about. Everything else is a distant second in my mind. I want the bastard stopped and his hideous minions re-marginalized.
(3) I consider anyone who's willing to do what needs to be done to stop Drumpf to be my ally -- not my lover, not my spouse, but my political ally -- at least until November 8th. On November 9th, we'll see what's to be seen. But until Drumpf's been crushed, I have no interest in fighting with or gratuitously insulting or provoking my political allies. To do so could easily be gratuitously counterproductive.
Do you find any of those items to be illogical or objectionable?
WillyBrandt
(3,892 posts)But who and what specifically are you arguing with?
workersuntie
(34 posts)You said you did not understand my post. Because I did not understand what it was that you did not understand, I tried to break down my post into basic components so as to make it easier for me to understand what, specifically, you did not understand.
Is it just me, or is this getting really, really weird?
MADem
(135,425 posts)We just got through a rather ugly primary, and now things have settled down. Our goal is to elect more Democrats--we've all got to pull together and help make that happen.
Were you here before? How long ago? What was your user name? Things have changed in recent years.
There are no "loyalty pledges" but you did agree to the Terms of Service when you signed up, here. You had to click "I agree" (or something like that) to get on the board at all!
If you need to review the TOS there's a link (conveniently!) at the bottom of every page of this website. It may be different from what you've seen in the past, depending on how long you've been away.
workersuntie
(34 posts)What could it hurt, right?
And just as I was the first time I read them, I'm good with all of them. I agreed to them then, and I do now.
I'm very definitely NOT good, however, with being interrogated or investigated -- especially when I've got nothing to hide. But speaking of hiding nothing, I've voluntarily made it easy for anyone who wants to know where I'm coming from politically to find out by visiting a political history website I built and operate. It's linked in my signature line.
As I've contemplated your post (I've done so seriously and at length; perhaps that merits commensurate respect in return), I've been tempted to rattle off my Democratic activist bona fides -- which go back to the mid-1960s and continue through to the present. But I won't. At least not now. Not under these circumstances. I understand the need to identify and weed out trolls and other assorted idjits. And I'm for that. I don't want to see their counterproductive horseshit. But there's also a need to know when to back off and be a little respectful of those who, while they might not agree with you personally on every single political point, have invested huge portions of the last 50+ years fighting for the very values (and in many if not most cases, the very politicians) you hold dearest.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I offered you some well-meaning advice, and your response is to LECTURE and scold me about "being respectful?"
You'll go far with that attitude!
smDh!
You still haven't told us who you were in your last incarnation, and now you've got me wondering why.
A lot of us have been on the ramparts for many decades--if you've been reading this site for awhile, you should know that, too.
We didn't just fall off the turnip truck...
workersuntie
(34 posts)WillyBrandt
(3,892 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Doodley
(9,088 posts)probably just token spending, but a drop in the bucket.
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)How this race is being won.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)Every little bit helps!!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)riversedge
(70,205 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Deborah Ross to kick out McCrory & Burr.
unblock
(52,208 posts)i've been somewhat fearing huge ad buys from trump because he's spending so little.
but he also never seems to have much cash on hand.
hillary seems to have used trump's disastrous post-convention period brilliantly -- but letting him tank his own image *and* using it to drum up fund for her!
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)probably because his plane is not legal to fly internationally. But he then had his POS 25 year old plane flown empty from WA to AZ. Also, he had asshole Pence fly in his plane to AZ. Not to mention it is not cheap to rent the Convention Center in AZ for a night.
So all this travel $$$ spent just yesterday...
How many offices in swing states would that $$$ been used for a real candidate???
tblue37
(65,340 posts)He charges the campaign by renting space for campaign offices and events--and as soon as the money started coming from donors rather than from himself, he raised the rent he charged the campaign for space in his building by 500%.
He pays his own company to cater campaign events, too. As much as possible, he uses his shell companies as vendors for the campaign, and that is how he spends donated money. He doesn't want to spend money on ads, because then that money isn't going into his own pockets.
Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This pleases me very much!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... I'm not trying to be coy with you, but my going into detail might be alerted on as something that's still fighting the primary. I hope you understand.
Besides, it's all in the past and everything seems to have worked out for the best after all. I'm very much looking forward to Hillary's victory in November.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Hillary has been doing GOTV better than anyone so fuck jumping through hoops for anyone else. It's really like a dominance display more than anything with this hold out crap. SMH.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)With regard to the hold-outs, I tried to remain optimistic that they'd eventually come around. After all this time, I've given up on that notion, and now I'm just optimistic that they'll simply go away. Whatever their problem is, it goes beyond mere disappointment from political defeat. I guess I should be glad (in a way) that the Stein-loving Hillary-haters have a place to go and to call their own. I just wish they'd stay there. But it's kinda like keeping a heard of cats inside a garden with a short picket fence.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)ffr
(22,669 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I've given about $150 to HRC, and a few hundred to other random Dem candidates.
ffr
(22,669 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)probably they mean for August
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)You can change your title.
wysi
(1,512 posts)... to counter all the free airtime Drumpf gets.
riversedge
(70,205 posts)Christina Wilkie ?@christinawilkie 2h2 hours ago
Combined Hillary/DNC fundraising haul for August is a whopping $140 million, per her campaign.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Go, Hillary!
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)For the dollar, Trump team has missed on the better buys of ad time. Hillary does not need the rallies to boost her ego, Trump does.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Which is it? August or July?
paulkienitz
(1,296 posts)WillyBrandt
(3,892 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I remember those days.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)mucifer
(23,542 posts)But, it really is messed up.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)ann his glazed over cult members kept asking on a daily basis where Hillary Clinton our next President is, well ...
she's been busy raising $143,000,000 for her campaign in August.
How many empty beer cans were Trump's rally goers able to scrape up at the trailer parks last month for Trump's train wreck of a poorly managed campaign?