2016 Postmortem
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THIS. THIS, Dammit, THIS.
I was taking a law school admissions test in a big classroom at Harvard. My friend and I were some of the only women in the room. I was feeling nervous. I was a senior in college. I wasnt sure how well Id do. And while were waiting for the exam to start, a group of men began to yell things like: You dont need to be here. And Theres plenty else you can do. It turned into a real pile on. One of them even said: If you take my spot, Ill get drafted, and Ill go to Vietnam, and I'll die. And they werent kidding around. It was intense. It got very personal. But I couldnt respond. I couldnt afford to get distracted because I didnt want to mess up the test. So I just kept looking down, hoping that the proctor would walk in the room. I know that I can be perceived as aloof or cold or unemotional. But I had to learn as a young woman to control my emotions. And thats a hard path to walk. Because you need to protect yourself, you need to keep steady, but at the same time you dont want to seem walled off. And sometimes I think I come across more in the walled off arena. And if I create that perception, then I take responsibility. I dont view myself as cold or unemotional. And neither do my friends. And neither does my family. But if that sometimes is the perception I create, then I cant blame people for thinking that.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)That was so well put.
Yes, I'm female.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)I did the same thing she did. It was survival. Just get through this class... just walk down this hallway... just answer this one question... just get through the day. Don't create a scene. Don't provoke them. Don't make eye contact, don't let the see how scared you are because it will only be worse. Remember, this was the Mad Men era, and there was no help for female students, no advocates, no rules, just male students who felt threatened by women who were just as smart and capable as they were.
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(7,723 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Now, everyone please, email this to everyone you know who is voting in the presidential election.
I'm getting on it, now.
Nolabear, you're the greatest.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)This was the first and best, I think.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)That's ALL.
Did she just do this? It's perfect.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)rivegauche
(601 posts)What this woman has put up with her WHOLE FUCKING LIFE. This story is making me teary, and not in a good way.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)I wish it would get more.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)it might even get more attention on Facebook. I've already shared it twice.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)There was another segment as well, equally interesting.
https://www.facebook.com/humansofnewyork/?fref=ts
She needs to do more of this sort of thing. Wonderful.
Native
(5,942 posts)PatSeg
(47,419 posts)not the media's distorted creation.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)I knew there was another one.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)These are really great! I hope Hillary will have some one-on-one interviews that cover topics like these. The world needs to see a more humanized Hillary and appreciate what she has dealt with for all these years.
LisaM
(27,806 posts)All through these the last eight, long, years I could never understand why others didn't see in her what I saw in her. This explains it so well.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)niyad
(113,284 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)and her mother's generation had to deal with from the earliest parts of the 20th century through to now. Many of them were pretty radical (not unlike women today) but they had to more consciously make a decision of "when to fight and when to wait for another day", where they might have now achieved a certain goal that puts them in a better position to affect change.
I.e., martyrdom might be noble in retrospect, but it primarily serves as a catalyst and not a "change" in and of itself... The "change" is going to require many many people in order to move the juggernaut.
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reznor73
(17 posts)She and so many others bravely paved the way for my daughter. Thank you.
Chalco
(1,308 posts)which is a supremely important character trait for anyone, and especially for the President of the United States.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)nolabear
(41,960 posts)Justice
(7,187 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Especially good-looking women who must endure being gawked at and running the gauntlet of men trying to be overly friendly with them on the off-chance they can start a romance. It must be maddening to some to have to live their lives like that.
Some women chatter so much, my initial thought is, Why can't they just stay quiet? But you know something? Men chatter just as much: about movies, sports, weather and dozens of other inane topics.
All I know is that women often have vastly different experiences, and it isn't fair to judge them by 'manly' standards, which, as stated above, often aren't what they seem.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
nolabear
(41,960 posts)Men have historically been so invested in conquering, ruling and living by hierarchy that you all have established a norm (through doing all of those things) that is either accepted or acquiesced to by both those who agree and those who don't but can't risk being conquered, etc.
"Chattering" is important when access to group information and keeping social bonds is an important part of what keeps you alive. Sometimes it's not the topic, it's the interaction that serves an important function.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)MISOGYNY is going to be discussed in a way that's NEVER been put in the public awareness before. It's always been something women can only discuss together.
Otherwise you're just dismissed. Being invisiblized and acknowledged ONLY within a very narrow, submissive few roles is serious, but never dramatic enough to get headlines.
The role-prison is changing, but the lived experience, the lingering effects, are real.
Additionally, the equal and opposite reaction? Men's roles are changing too---and many of them are lashing out aggressively in varied ways. Again, not dramatic like mass protests or riots.
It's personal attacks, individual intimate violence, systematized ostracism.....
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"The personal IS political"
nolabear
(41,960 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I just made a major edit. Added some more thoughts.
FYI .
Fla Dem
(23,656 posts)We had the talent, the abilities, the desire. But we weren't supposed to have it define who we were. This is a beautiful story. It shows how vulnerable she can be, but also how strong.
And this shows how loving and caring she is.
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