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nolabear

(41,960 posts)
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 03:52 PM Sep 2016

Hillary on the Humans of New York FB Page:

THIS. THIS, Dammit, THIS.

“I was taking a law school admissions test in a big classroom at Harvard. My friend and I were some of the only women in the room. I was feeling nervous. I was a senior in college. I wasn’t sure how well I’d do. And while we’re waiting for the exam to start, a group of men began to yell things like: ‘You don’t need to be here.’ And ‘There’s plenty else you can do.’ It turned into a real ‘pile on.’ One of them even said: ‘If you take my spot, I’ll get drafted, and I’ll go to Vietnam, and I'll die.’ And they weren’t kidding around. It was intense. It got very personal. But I couldn’t respond. I couldn’t afford to get distracted because I didn’t want to mess up the test. So I just kept looking down, hoping that the proctor would walk in the room. I know that I can be perceived as aloof or cold or unemotional. But I had to learn as a young woman to control my emotions. And that’s a hard path to walk. Because you need to protect yourself, you need to keep steady, but at the same time you don’t want to seem ‘walled off.’ And sometimes I think I come across more in the ‘walled off’ arena. And if I create that perception, then I take responsibility. I don’t view myself as cold or unemotional. And neither do my friends. And neither does my family. But if that sometimes is the perception I create, then I can’t blame people for thinking that.”

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Hillary on the Humans of New York FB Page: (Original Post) nolabear Sep 2016 OP
WOW. That's it. Right there. What women have to go through. Don't we know it. Beaverhausen Sep 2016 #1
Yeah. They can't burn us any more so they erode and erode and erode. nolabear Sep 2016 #2
Been there. procon Sep 2016 #3
beautiful. Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #4
Nolabear, thank you for the post of the week at DU. kstewart33 Sep 2016 #5
Awwww, gawrsh. Btw she has others too, slowly being spun out. nolabear Sep 2016 #8
*THAT* Rose Siding Sep 2016 #6
That's gonna get stolen... K&R fleabiscuit Sep 2016 #7
Oh my god. rivegauche Sep 2016 #9
Ah, but she's so strong. Btw it got a brief mention on MSNBC. nolabear Sep 2016 #10
You know, PatSeg Sep 2016 #12
That was perfect! PatSeg Sep 2016 #11
And just when you thought you couldn't love her any more. Native Sep 2016 #14
The world really needs to see the real Hillary, PatSeg Sep 2016 #15
Thank you! nolabear Sep 2016 #16
You're welcome PatSeg Sep 2016 #17
Well, that moved me to tears. LisaM Sep 2016 #13
You get it. I get it. Come millions of people on Election Day, we will get it. nt msanthrope Sep 2016 #19
k and r and bookmarking because it is late. niyad Sep 2016 #18
That's what my mother's generation BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #20
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #21
Love her - reznor73 Sep 2016 #22
This shows dramatically her capacity for reflection... Chalco Sep 2016 #23
^This Pacifist Patriot Sep 2016 #24
Amen and amen. If you can't relate to people you can't lead them. nolabear Sep 2016 #27
Been there. Every woman under 35 should read; perhaps will understand why support her so much. Justice Sep 2016 #25
Yeah, I've come to understand that it's not easy to understand what a woman goes through. randome Sep 2016 #26
Interesting observations. And cuts both ways. nolabear Sep 2016 #28
Kick and sharing!! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #29
Indeed the personal IS political. nolabear Sep 2016 #30
Yep BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #31
K & R. So many of us grew up feeling just this way. Fla Dem Sep 2016 #32

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
1. WOW. That's it. Right there. What women have to go through. Don't we know it.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 03:59 PM
Sep 2016

That was so well put.

Yes, I'm female.

procon

(15,805 posts)
3. Been there.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 04:56 PM
Sep 2016

I did the same thing she did. It was survival. Just get through this class... just walk down this hallway... just answer this one question... just get through the day. Don't create a scene. Don't provoke them. Don't make eye contact, don't let the see how scared you are because it will only be worse. Remember, this was the Mad Men era, and there was no help for female students, no advocates, no rules, just male students who felt threatened by women who were just as smart and capable as they were.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
5. Nolabear, thank you for the post of the week at DU.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 05:23 PM
Sep 2016

Now, everyone please, email this to everyone you know who is voting in the presidential election.

I'm getting on it, now.

Nolabear, you're the greatest.

rivegauche

(601 posts)
9. Oh my god.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 05:54 PM
Sep 2016

What this woman has put up with her WHOLE FUCKING LIFE. This story is making me teary, and not in a good way.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
11. That was perfect!
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 06:01 PM
Sep 2016

There was another segment as well, equally interesting.

“I’m not Barack Obama. I’m not Bill Clinton. Both of them carry themselves with a naturalness that is very appealing to audiences. But I’m married to one and I’ve worked for the other, so I know how hard they work at being natural. It’s not something they just dial in. They work and they practice what they’re going to say. It's not that they're trying to be somebody else. But it's hard work to present yourself in the best possible way. You have to communicate in a way that people say: ‘OK, I get her.’ And that can be more difficult for a woman. Because who are your models? If you want to run for the Senate, or run for the Presidency, most of your role models are going to be men. And what works for them won’t work for you. Women are seen through a different lens. It’s not bad. It’s just a fact. It’s really quite funny. I’ll go to these events and there will be men speaking before me, and they’ll be pounding the message, and screaming about how we need to win the election. And people will love it. And I want to do the same thing. Because I care about this stuff. But I’ve learned that I can’t be quite so passionate in my presentation. I love to wave my arms, but apparently that’s a little bit scary to people. And I can’t yell too much. It comes across as ‘too loud’ or ‘too shrill’ or ‘too this’ or ‘too that.’ Which is funny, because I’m always convinced that the people in the front row are loving it.”


https://www.facebook.com/humansofnewyork/?fref=ts

She needs to do more of this sort of thing. Wonderful.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
17. You're welcome
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 07:20 PM
Sep 2016

These are really great! I hope Hillary will have some one-on-one interviews that cover topics like these. The world needs to see a more humanized Hillary and appreciate what she has dealt with for all these years.

LisaM

(27,806 posts)
13. Well, that moved me to tears.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 06:03 PM
Sep 2016

All through these the last eight, long, years I could never understand why others didn't see in her what I saw in her. This explains it so well.

BumRushDaShow

(128,905 posts)
20. That's what my mother's generation
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 09:17 AM
Sep 2016

and her mother's generation had to deal with from the earliest parts of the 20th century through to now. Many of them were pretty radical (not unlike women today) but they had to more consciously make a decision of "when to fight and when to wait for another day", where they might have now achieved a certain goal that puts them in a better position to affect change.

I.e., martyrdom might be noble in retrospect, but it primarily serves as a catalyst and not a "change" in and of itself... The "change" is going to require many many people in order to move the juggernaut.

Response to nolabear (Original post)

Chalco

(1,308 posts)
23. This shows dramatically her capacity for reflection...
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 10:55 AM
Sep 2016

which is a supremely important character trait for anyone, and especially for the President of the United States.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
26. Yeah, I've come to understand that it's not easy to understand what a woman goes through.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 12:05 PM
Sep 2016

Especially good-looking women who must endure being gawked at and running the gauntlet of men trying to be overly friendly with them on the off-chance they can start a romance. It must be maddening to some to have to live their lives like that.

Some women chatter so much, my initial thought is, Why can't they just stay quiet? But you know something? Men chatter just as much: about movies, sports, weather and dozens of other inane topics.

All I know is that women often have vastly different experiences, and it isn't fair to judge them by 'manly' standards, which, as stated above, often aren't what they seem.
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nolabear

(41,960 posts)
28. Interesting observations. And cuts both ways.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 12:44 PM
Sep 2016

Men have historically been so invested in conquering, ruling and living by hierarchy that you all have established a norm (through doing all of those things) that is either accepted or acquiesced to by both those who agree and those who don't but can't risk being conquered, etc.

"Chattering" is important when access to group information and keeping social bonds is an important part of what keeps you alive. Sometimes it's not the topic, it's the interaction that serves an important function.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
29. Kick and sharing!!
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 03:28 PM
Sep 2016

MISOGYNY is going to be discussed in a way that's NEVER been put in the public awareness before. It's always been something women can only discuss together.

Otherwise you're just dismissed. Being invisiblized and acknowledged ONLY within a very narrow, submissive few roles is serious, but never dramatic enough to get headlines.

The role-prison is changing, but the lived experience, the lingering effects, are real.

Additionally, the equal and opposite reaction? Men's roles are changing too---and many of them are lashing out aggressively in varied ways. Again, not dramatic like mass protests or riots.

It's personal attacks, individual intimate violence, systematized ostracism.....
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"The personal IS political"

Fla Dem

(23,656 posts)
32. K & R. So many of us grew up feeling just this way.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 10:45 AM
Sep 2016

We had the talent, the abilities, the desire. But we weren't supposed to have it define who we were. This is a beautiful story. It shows how vulnerable she can be, but also how strong.

And this shows how loving and caring she is.

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