2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum‘This is badgering’: Trump campaign manager comes unglued when CNN asks for proof of charity claims
Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway lashed out at CNN host Alisyn Camerota on Tuesday and accused the media of badgering Donald Trump because he would not provide evidence of his charitable donations.
During an interview with Conway on CNNs New Day, Camerota noted that Trump had refused to release his tax returns because he was being audited, and asked the campaign manager if she would provide a letter from the IRS to prove he was under audit.
I dont know, Conway shrugged. Why? Are you calling him a liar?
And were taking Hillary Clintons word for she was overheated, she added. I mean, seriously, were running against a Clinton and were going to challenge someones veracity?
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/this-is-badgering-trump-campaign-manager-comes-unglued-when-cnn-asks-for-proof-of-charity-claims/
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Who knows, perhaps the IRS has completed their audit and she's lying. Love the way she shiftted to Hillary. That we are taking her word that she got heated. Well we also know now that she has pneumonia. We don't know anything about Lyin Trump. I hope everyone would encourage the media to start asking him for a letter from the IRS stating that he is currently under audit, and keep it up. We know this man has not plans to release his taxes, but if we keep up the pressure with the media to ask for proof that he's under audit currently than who knows what might come of it. For now, he's given all of us the middle finger, and if we do nothing, there is a 100% chance that we get nothing, either before or after the election. If we keep asking the media to ask him for a letter of proof that he's under audit currently, if nothing else, it will get under his skin and who knows what will happen. Perhaps someone from the IRS will say, "No. Mr Trumps audit was completed in August. " An employee saying that his audit is complete, would not be the same as an employee telling us that he's paid no taxes or other personal information which could get someone in serious trouble.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)something stinks about drump's tax return stories.
A NY Times editor has threatened to publish leaked drump tax docs and go to jail.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512412346
Nazis, mob, Putin, taxes, bribery scandals, court cases, there are so many good big rocks in the tRump campaign to turn over , and watch what crawls out from under.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)..... which come out of that woman's mouth when Trump is questioned. She is running the Trump campaign now and she follow the directions she gives to other Trump surrogates - when Trump actions, words or complete lack of transparency are questioned by reporters, don't answer the question. Immediately deflect be going after Clinton on multiple issues as quickly as possible and, if that doesn't work, go after the reporter for asking the question.
Hopefully the viewing public sees through what they are consistently doing, but sometimes I have my doubts.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)She, as well as every other Trump mouthpiece, need to be allowed to finish their rant, then asked the same question again. Then repeat as needed. They would become frustrated and start screaming before long.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Just re-ask the question every time they fail to answer.
calimary
(81,265 posts)If the interviewer is negligent, push that question on their Twitter page (theirs, and that of the interview subject who they just allowed to wriggle away from the hot seat).
calimary
(81,265 posts)Example:
@KellyannePolls "Badgering"? Awwww, where's my itty bitty violin? Guess you'd rather than dish it out than be forced to take it? #ImWithHer
@KellyannePolls SO distressed that you're forced to answer questions? Boo hoo! Not fooled by your evade-the-question tactics. @BorisEP #HRC
@KellyannePolls <- that's her Twitter handle.
I just sent these, for example. Added the handle of that annoying Rude Boy, "Babbling Boris" Epshteyn. @BorisEP He needs to have derision heaped on him, too.
Also fun to include another hashtag or another person's address - so the original recipient knows others are getting this, too. Actively, as in - you're delivering it to their page too - as opposed to passively when you simply post a tweet that others can read if they scroll through your page. (Or down your page, whatever the proper terminology is.) I'm learning more as I do it. (I think.)
And if you wanna roll somebody else in on the news end, go to this link and scroll down. There are several posts listing Twitter handles of a whole lotta newspeople (Post 30 & Post 16, for example).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512400046
Rope other relevant people in on this as much as you can, within that 140-character limit. I've found that if you post a link in the tweet, to bolster your point, the character count of that link actually DOESN'T count. My apologies to others here who already know how to navigate around the Twitter world and don't need some rank amateur's "tutorial". To them, I'd appeal - PLEASE JOIN IN! I wish I knew as much about this stuff as you do! Please come help me!
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)constantly, and change the subject immediately to something Hillary-related if the hosts allow it. They also constantly interrupt the other guests, yelling "lie!" over and over again (see Russian Boris who is the master of this and of course Corey). They also use overly emotional language and pout and act like Trump is vulnerable and being bullied by big mean Hillary (Kellyanne and Kayleigh)
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)Her technique is called the Gish Gallop..
it would be good to get that term out there...and use it over and over again..until it becomes part
of our political dialogue...For instance an interviewer stating ,There you go again with the Gish Gallop
then defining it to the audience, over and over again.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gish%20Gallop
calimary
(81,265 posts)DAYUM! That's IT, too!
The "Gish Gallop." Holy crap!
I never studied debate technique in school. I don't think they offered anything of the kind at my school(s). So I'm just learning this stuff, other than by simple but careful observation as others do it. Btw - I notice that THEY ALL do it. That motormouth Babbling Boris Epshteyn does it all the time. That Steve Cortes guy does it all the time. OR, watch Joy Reid. Whoever she shuts down. Which happens often. She's WAY aware of this. And she doesn't let them get away with it. Thank God!
These are tactics. These are devices. Strategies. And there's all kinds of 'em. Like, for example, ever watch Ted Cruz speaking? He has this "device" in his debate-school arsenal. The pause. I notice he employs this technique ALL THE FUCKING TIME! It's about two or three seconds long. He closes his lips and just looks. And enjoys the dead air for a moment or two.
When I was in radio, dead air was what you avoided AT ALL COSTS! You had to keep the meter bouncing. You had to keep something on the air because with dead air, people eventually tune away. HOWEVER, the right amount of dead air, used judiciously, can grab attention. It's an instant break from all the nonstop blah-blah-blah - or in this case, "Gish Gallop." In music, as I've learned from being around and working with my son's band, sometimes a pause, a moment of silence, in the middle of a song, YANKS the ear over and GRABS your attention. You notice it. You react. You stop and say "what?" Or "what just happened?" It compels you to keep listening and paying attention, at least for a bit, until you're lulled back into a semi-bored/semi-daydream state by the ongoing din that resumes.
I find I watch these assholes closely, trying to figure out what they're doing, subliminally. What they're trying to convey and HOW they're trying to convey it. HOW they're trying to work on you, the listener, and either wear you down or sell their point or confuse the issue so you just throw up your hands and say "fuck it," but the barrage has already "taken," and you're left with this odd low-level feeling - "hmmm... did he have a point?" or "hmmm... was she right?"
This is psy-ops. This is mind-fucking. This is subliminal manipulation. Manipulate and play people so subtly that they don't even notice. They don't feel a thing. They don't see what's in your other hand while the hand they're looking at is flapping and gesticulating wildly and drawing your attention like some shiny object. Be aware of it. And also - be aware of HOW YOU'RE FEELING while it's going on. What is it doing to your awareness and your consciousness and your ability to discern whether they're bullshitting you or not. These are devices and tricks and tactics and strategies. Be aware of them. Be watching for them and for how these people are trying to play you.
FYI:
Kellyanne Conway - @KellyannePolls
Steve Cortes - @CortesSteve
Boris Epshtyen - @BorisEP
(Shit - Boris and Steve even look alike!)
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)get away with it... Its pure bullshit...
However I dont feel Trump could use this tactic.. I think you need strong verbal and communicating skills even if it primarily entails lies..
To be blunt I dont think possesses the needed skills..
thanks for the info by the way
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)hanging around the Trump-Pence 2016 headquarters, door locked, lights down, and all of them swilling deep red Kool-Aid, gallons of it, down their bigoted throats.
Somehow Kellyanne Conway manages to drive over for a news interview so she can vilify the Clintons.
And that's it. That's the whole day's work for the Trump campaign team.
randome
(34,845 posts)The very fact that she appears on TV so often is a sign that her 'management' is not going well.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)that the Trump campaign is actually being managed at all.
I don't have the sense that a coast-to-coast organization of cogent adults is involved.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)manages Trump since Trump knows Trump.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)It would be so nice if every interview Conway and others are in demands documentation from Trump. Clearly, the team is absolutely not prepared to give out any real proof of anything.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)They don't seem terribly prepared for a presidential campaign. Not at all, in fact.
They don't seem capable of running a tag sale, as far as that goes.
Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)Well, yeah.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)the press unwilling to call him a liar ? The evidence is overwhelming. Not fibs lies daily.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)In fact it felt like yet another segment where a Trumpy spox gets to say whatever she wants with a very light touch on pushback.
With all due respect to the OP, I don't think that particular clip needs a home here at DU.
Peace.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)I don't want to sit through 9 minutes of her.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I skipped around, but didn't find it.
A time cue would have been nice.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)global1
(25,247 posts)we see his tax returns, his medical record and his proof of charity claims.
Democat
(11,617 posts)They asked her a simple question and she came back with an attack on Clinton.
Is it that hard for Democrats to respond the same?
Forget about trying to explain those few deleted emails. When the press asks you about them, come back with a direct attack on the media and Trump.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)They are in the tank for Repukes.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)to describe the lack of character, integrity, grace or
dignity of this Conway woman, her boss and the many powers that be of the political party he claims to represent.
Unfortunately, they have given a loud voice and platform of hate, disregard for truth, disrespect of honesty and social indecency to hordes of the ugliest of Americans who now feel entitled to practice their kind of behavior without accountability or responsibility.
They have always been here. Freedom has costs. We as a country have learned to live with them and until recent years have managed to over power them with a larger common sensibility and intelligently practiced, broader "higher road" speech and actions. But now they have been given the unchecked green light to run rampant.
In this instance, it is not their brand of ignorance or meanness we have to fear. It is their vote.
eShirl
(18,491 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Call them on their lies, and spins.
They've gotten SO used to being able to feed the "news" media lie after lie with no pushback. Someone develops a backbone and they are indignant.... INDIGNANT I tell you.
DEPLORABLE.
riversedge
(70,218 posts)Maeve
(42,282 posts)Shall we start with 'False' and go onto 'Pants on Fire'?
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I like how she says Trump is so transparent right after saying he doesn't need to provide proof of his millions to charity. Oh and that hiring workers/employees is equivalent to charity.
Native
(5,942 posts)smack her silly. What a total bitch.
CrazyCatSea
(36 posts)Donald never lies.....
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Saviolo
(3,282 posts)Shocked, shocked I tell you that someone would pronounce that a presidential candidate is a liar. Seriously, are you calling Trump a liar? Also: Hillary is like, TOTALLY a liar, you guys, like totally.
Ugh, again I have to wonder why the cognitive dissonance on the right doesn't cause physical pain and/or heads exploding.
PatSeg
(47,430 posts)She can't possibly be human.
Uben
(7,719 posts)...and that's all she does. No real talent there. Just like Scump. His net worth is likely less than a billion dollars when all his debt is figured in. He brags, but never offers any proof....only the jabber that dribbles out of his mouth. Since that is all there is, Ms. Conway has no alternative but to lie and dodge. She's just a cheap "look over there" mouthpiece.
PatSeg
(47,430 posts)so much better than most. Rarely misses a beat, has an answer for everything, and maintains that plastic smile even when she is faking outrage. She appears to anticipate any question before it is asked and has a scripted response prepared that she delivers without blinking.
She has a Stepford Wife quality about her that is really creepy.
lark
(23,099 posts)Crying because someone had the termerity to ask her to tell the truth. What a cad! Doesn't he know that business folks put profit first and all lies are OK because it's in the pursuit of their job. So, all he's doing is being a good business pseudo person and lying every time he opens his mouth or puts anything in writing. How dare they want him to be a truth teller, he's not required to tell the truth and damn it if he's going to ever start. How could he be a good business pseudo person and tell the truth?
How dare they!!
Ms. Conway, you have sold your soul to the devil and hope you enjoy hell,.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)How does CNN let her talk for so long without cutting her off. Answer the question. She didn't answer one question. So infuriating
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)and the one who successfully labels the other a liar, with proof or
a twist of words or a verbal exchange in a debate, is in very good shape
This Trump bullshit has just gone too far
The media is complicit if they don't expose this clown for a fraud
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)Yeah, that's it!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)anyone who uses these lowbrow tactics.
Electing people to run OUR government is serious business, not some fiction reality show.
ffr
(22,670 posts)That's all you need to know about Trump's campaign.
LIARS!
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)turbinetree
(24,701 posts)you know that conspiracy channel of the right wing demagoguery, that is full of bigots and racists.
Whatever you want to have going through your brain call the place you were employed by Mr. Mercer and your PAC, lets not forget the green-eggs and ham senator from Texas, that you use to run around with during his campaign.
And you were an employee of Mercer and how you made your moola all of these years, did you forget
I have an idea, why don't you, Bannon, and your boss the orange dumpster go one at a time on the GQ site and have a talk with one Keith Obermann, better yet lets have him as a moderator, along with John Stewart at one of the debates, (to hell with Chris Wallace, since he doesn't want to do any "Fact Checking" ), they, Stewart, and Obermann pretty much have there pulse on the people out here in the country side, let's have them, that's my vote.
And as for the IRS, those returns there Missy, will show everything about the emperor and how he has "no clothes" except those made in foreign countries------------------you do understand what is being asked, because the big question is, is he LIAR, yes that what the public wants to know, after all he wants to dismantle some treaties, like NATO, and he wants to put extremists on the court for starters, he mocks the disabled , and he attacks someone for being a Cherokee descendant like myself
Yeah I think we have a "right to know" what he has on his tax returns
vadermike
(1,415 posts)Grill these douchebags ! Finally
Native
(5,942 posts)when asked about Pence not commenting on David Duke.
Botany
(70,504 posts)But what about Hillary?
oasis
(49,386 posts)hope her Trump pay checks don't bounce because this would have been an awful lot of work for nada.
barbtries
(28,794 posts)considering that at least 75% of the shit he spews are lies, yes. i think so, it would be high time. after all the evidence of the lies are all over the place. it is impossible to keep up.