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Imperialism Inc.

(2,495 posts)
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 04:38 PM Sep 2016

A winning map for Clinton, no rose colored glasses required.

With some polls rolling in showing a tighter race and what looks to be some bad news in Ohio and maybe Florida it might be helpful to look at the map below. This map is still a win for Clinton and doesn't require any rose colored glasses.

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A winning map for Clinton, no rose colored glasses required. (Original Post) Imperialism Inc. Sep 2016 OP
That is of some comfort democrattotheend Sep 2016 #1
Very well demonstrated, thanks still_one Sep 2016 #2
I'll take it, but I want Iowa, Ohio, saltpoint Sep 2016 #3
Definitely. And I hope Imperialism Inc. Sep 2016 #10
No Clinton has ever lost Ohio radius777 Sep 2016 #16
I'm hoping Clinton-Kaine would outperform saltpoint Sep 2016 #22
Important point driven home, Thanks oasis Sep 2016 #4
I'm beginning to think you could see a Clinton win in NC mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #5
i'm here to try and make it happen barbtries Sep 2016 #8
Me, too! Lots of people are fed up with Repubs here mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #11
We see that on the local news here. SaschaHM Sep 2016 #13
Everytime we lose a business or event in NC ooky Sep 2016 #20
NC is trending blue like VA and CO radius777 Sep 2016 #17
We basically HAVE to hold all of the blue jimlup Sep 2016 #6
yes. the light blue...throw all resources there Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2016 #18
I'm in MI jimlup Sep 2016 #24
Great ! How lucky you are to be in a deep blue place. I only am on DU :) Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2016 #28
this is why i'll be watching new hampshire closely election night. unblock Sep 2016 #7
Yeap...it's a canary in the Cole mine uponit7771 Sep 2016 #9
I agree. The "blue wall" strategy requires NH. radius777 Sep 2016 #19
Agreed! moose65 Sep 2016 #27
Since there seems to still be some polling freak outs going on, Imperialism Inc. Sep 2016 #12
CO, NH and WI are the weak links in that map. CO +2 Hill on the latest poll. Hill down in NH. ChimpersMcSmirkers Sep 2016 #14
Thank you for the prozac. K & R nt Persondem Sep 2016 #15
Good to see Sugarcoated Sep 2016 #21
It's Valium for the eyes. Thank you for this. n/t VOX Sep 2016 #23
However I will not survive election night sober if Hillary wins with 272 EVs. yellowcanine Sep 2016 #25
Now that's the truth HAB911 Sep 2016 #29
If you see NC go for Hillary--which would be early election night--you will survive the night mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #30
Thanks for your post. BlueMTexpat Sep 2016 #26

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
1. That is of some comfort
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 04:40 PM
Sep 2016

All of the states with bad polls recently are states Clinton does not absolutely have to win. If she can hold all the Kerry states plus Virginia and Colorado, she will be fine.

That said, state polls usually shift with national polls, though national polls reflect it first. If the national race tilts any more toward Trump, he can probably put some of the blue states on this map in play.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
3. I'll take it, but I want Iowa, Ohio,
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 04:45 PM
Sep 2016

Florida, Nevada, and Georgia as well.

Clinton-Kaine have the vans fueling as we speak -- the ground game and the get-out-the-vote operation is ready to launch. Trump-Pence has nothing close, and I think that seals it for the blue team.

Imperialism Inc.

(2,495 posts)
10. Definitely. And I hope
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 05:01 PM
Sep 2016

no one interprets me as saying we can't win in all those places, but if we don't, we can still win the election.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
16. No Clinton has ever lost Ohio
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:58 PM
Sep 2016

Even during the primaries, after Bernie won Michigan, some thought Hillary may struggle in Ohio but she won it (+14) pretty easily.

I also can't see her losing in Florida. She won the primary there by +30, it is an ideologically moderate state, and the demographics favor her. Trump is going to receive historically low support from latinos.

Latino vote will sink Trump in Florida - Univision


mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
5. I'm beginning to think you could see a Clinton win in NC
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 04:51 PM
Sep 2016

which I couldn't imagine until recently since Bill didn't take the state in either of his elections. But we're seeing Cooper
take quite a lead over our incumbent bigot Governor--especially now that the NCAA has pulled playoffs from NC over HB 2--and
a big win for Cooper could result in beneficial votes for Hillary. On top of that, you have the two Trump supporters
who were arrested--inside and outside the arena yesterday--for assaulting protesters when Trump appeared in
Asheville. You just might be seeing people turn on Trump because of the nastiness he has encouraged/supported against other people.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
8. i'm here to try and make it happen
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 04:57 PM
Sep 2016

Clinton, Cooper, Ross - every single one of them!

GOTV!!! this state can go blue. it happened in 2008 and it can happen again.

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
11. Me, too! Lots of people are fed up with Repubs here
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 05:01 PM
Sep 2016

and Rev. Barber, together with the Moral Mondays group, have been doing a helluva' job protesting on
the issues that Repubs have been using to destroy the state.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
13. We see that on the local news here.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 08:48 PM
Sep 2016

Also, the ACC/NCAA pulling games because of HB-2 is not going to sit well at all.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
20. Everytime we lose a business or event in NC
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 12:06 AM
Sep 2016

McCrory's polling gets worse. His decision not to veto that Bill is looking like an early Christmas gift to Dems here in NC.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
17. NC is trending blue like VA and CO
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 10:01 PM
Sep 2016

NC has urban/metro areas, people from blue areas of the country have moved there for work, there is more diversity, etc.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
6. We basically HAVE to hold all of the blue
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 04:53 PM
Sep 2016

I believe we will but the current polling trends make me nervous. I'd really like to see us take FL and NV.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
24. I'm in MI
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:29 AM
Sep 2016

and will do my part. I live in one of the deepest blue cities in the country so for us, it is mostly just a matter of getting out the vote!

unblock

(52,208 posts)
7. this is why i'll be watching new hampshire closely election night.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 04:54 PM
Sep 2016

it will be the first early-to-close critical state. many of these ideal scenarios for trump require that last 4 electoral votes from nh.

it's not the deciding swing state in the sense that we'll likely win it comfortably; but it's a key determinant in the sense that if trump can't win nh, it quickly becomes very, very unlikely that he'll win enough elsewhere to get to 270.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
19. I agree. The "blue wall" strategy requires NH.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 10:09 PM
Sep 2016

If Gore won NH, FL wouldn't have mattered.

NH is clearly the weakest state in the blue wall, not PA, as some think. PA is Clinton Country. I can't see her losing it under any scenario. It is not really a swing state, even moderate Republicans will vote for her there.

That being said, H/Dems really needs to step up their game, and try to expand the map and go for a landslide/mandate, which is possible if they do what they should be doing.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
27. Agreed!
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:24 AM
Sep 2016

Gore lost NH by about 7,000 votes, I think. If he had only won there, Florida wouldn't have mattered. Trivia: in 2004, NH was the only state that flipped from Bush to Kerry. If only.......

ChimpersMcSmirkers

(3,328 posts)
14. CO, NH and WI are the weak links in that map. CO +2 Hill on the latest poll. Hill down in NH.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 08:49 PM
Sep 2016

CO should be safe, but Berners are burning for The Johnson. It's extremely close people.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
25. However I will not survive election night sober if Hillary wins with 272 EVs.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:06 AM
Sep 2016

Even seeing Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio going to Trump will probably have me drinking myself under the table. As it was I could hardly stand it when Virginia and Ohio took so long to drop for Obama in 2012. Although the Rove meltdown made it well worth the wait!

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
30. If you see NC go for Hillary--which would be early election night--you will survive the night
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 05:30 AM
Sep 2016

not drinking yourself under the table.

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
26. Thanks for your post.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 08:15 AM
Sep 2016

But I sincerely believe that this depiction of reds and blues is overly optimistic for Trump - even without those states shown as toss-ups, which Hillary will more likely than not carry.

If he continues as he has been - which in all probability he will - he may even lose some of the red western states, especially in the northwest. But I am very happy to have him and all GOPers take those states for granted for now.


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