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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 05:48 AM

radius777 (1,322 posts)

Gabby Giffords endorses Toomey over McGinty in tight PA senate race.

"PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) – As he seeks re-election to his U.S. Senate seat this November, Pennsylvania’s Pat Toomey can make an unusual claim. He is the sole Republican nationwide running with the endorsement of top U.S. gun control advocates Gabby Giffords and Michael Bloomberg.

That pair of endorsements could give the first-term senator an edge over Democratic challenger Katie McGinty, a former environmental official in the White House and the Pennsylvania governor’s office. The race is one of a handful of close contests on Nov. 8 that could determine whether Republicans, currently with a 54-46 majority, maintain control of the Senate.
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Giffords has also endorsed Illinois Senator Mark Kirk, another Republican running for re-election, though Bloomberg has not weighed in on that race."
In Pennsylvania Senate race, unfamiliar battle lines on gun rights

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File this under the "with friends like these" and "missing the forest for the trees" categories - especially the PA race, which is very close.

Hey Gabby, wouldn't Hillary being elected with a Dem senate majority lead to more gun control legislation than a GOP senate? Democrats ARE the party of gun control after all, remember? And the GOP is the party of the NRA, remember?

This kind of stupidity is what's wrong with our side, in a nutshell.

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Reply Gabby Giffords endorses Toomey over McGinty in tight PA senate race. (Original post)
 radius777 Sep 2016 OP
LineReply WTH?!
 MBS Sep 2016 #1
LineReply That is simply staggering. Better that she didn't endorse at all. Incredible.
 OnDoutside Sep 2016 #2
LineReply Embarrassing
 ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2016 #3
LineReply They made these endorsements a couple of weeks ago. I definitely gave them
 Laurian Sep 2016 #4
LineLineReply Her organization called me,
 murielm99 Sep 2016 #5
LineLineNew Reply Today's New Morning Call/Muhlenberg College poll shows
 Hortensis Sep 2016 #18
LineReply Gabby blew it big time with this
 DFW Sep 2016 #6
LineReply When control of the Senate is paramount to passing so much
 Divine Discontent Sep 2016 #7
LineReply Now that's interesting. I wanna know why she endorsed 2 Republicans.
 underthematrix Sep 2016 #8
LineReply "could give the first-term senator an edge"
 BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #9
LineLineReply That is fucked up
 bigdarryl Sep 2016 #10
LineLineLineReply I was trying to find where she had any formal contact with Toomey
 BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #13
LineReply Oh God!
 ananda Sep 2016 #11
LineReply Yikes! Hope the voters ignore her!
 GreenPartyVoter Sep 2016 #12
LineReply WTF?
 Thrill Sep 2016 #14
LineNew Reply and both McGinty and Duckworth are very pro gun control,
 radius777 Sep 2016 #15
LineNew Reply I understand the strategy. I still disagree
 Tom Rinaldo Sep 2016 #16
LineLineNew Reply His only "outreach" was background checks
 BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #17
LineNew Reply Toomey was only giving lip service to background checks
 Freddie Sep 2016 #19
LineNew Reply Considered a one issue endorser?? Guns?? is that it???? eom
 a kennedy Sep 2016 #20
LineNew Reply This could actually hurt
 ebbie15644 Sep 2016 #21
LineNew Reply LOL. Guntrol uber alles.
 aikoaiko Sep 2016 #22
LineNew Reply Well that is a surprise.
 wisteria Sep 2016 #23
LineNew Reply ugh
 johnp3907 Sep 2016 #24

Response to radius777 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 05:53 AM

Star Member MBS (8,808 posts)

1. WTH?!

Big mistake, Gabby! on both Kirk and Toomey. Just unbelievable, really.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 05:54 AM

Star Member OnDoutside (11,042 posts)

2. That is simply staggering. Better that she didn't endorse at all. Incredible.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 06:07 AM

ProudToBeBlueInRhody (16,399 posts)

3. Embarrassing

Absolutely unreal. Gabby has really stepped in it.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 06:27 AM

Star Member Laurian (2,460 posts)

4. They made these endorsements a couple of weeks ago. I definitely gave them

my feedback via their website. I know they also got a fair amount of pushback on their Facebook page.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 06:43 AM

Star Member murielm99 (23,552 posts)

5. Her organization called me,

asking for money. I am a big Duckworth supporter. They get nothing from me.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 08:29 AM

Star Member Hortensis (31,203 posts)

18. Today's New Morning Call/Muhlenberg College poll shows

Clinton ahead 47 - 38 in PA and McGinty ahead of Toomey 43 - 38, so perhaps this endorsement doesn't matter that much. Assuming the poll's fairly accurate, of course. But there's huge room for movement:

Amid the cacophony of the presidential contest, some voters told Muhlenberg pollsters they still don't have a clear opinion on the candidates battling in the U.S. Senate race that will also be on the Nov. 8 ballot.

Asked their views on the candidates, 28 percent had a favorable view of Toomey, 37 percent reported an unfavorable view of him, and 32 percent weren't sure. For McGinty, 23 percent had a favorable view, 28 percent had an unfavorable one, and 39 percent don't have an opinion of her.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/elections/mc-pa-trump-clinton-poll-20160917-story.html

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 06:48 AM

Star Member DFW (33,709 posts)

6. Gabby blew it big time with this

For someone so careful usually, I can't explain this at all.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 06:54 AM

Divine Discontent (21,053 posts)

7. When control of the Senate is paramount to passing so much

This smacks of some serious anti-party unity! Oh well, the big dog, and the inspiring president will both have to rally the troops to give Hillary a Senate majority.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 06:58 AM

underthematrix (4,948 posts)

8. Now that's interesting. I wanna know why she endorsed 2 Republicans.

One in Ill and the other in PA. I think Duckworth will win her seat. Don't know about McGinty

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:09 AM

Star Member BumRushDaShow (44,471 posts)

9. "could give the first-term senator an edge"

PA is one of the few states allowing straight-ticket voting. If Philly voters stay with the straight D ticket, his ass is gone, regardless of any "endorsement".

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:25 AM

bigdarryl (13,190 posts)

10. That is fucked up

 

Woman voters.are harder on women candidates for some reason.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:45 AM

Star Member BumRushDaShow (44,471 posts)

13. I was trying to find where she had any formal contact with Toomey

and both were in the House but not at the same time, and he was just coming into the Senate in his first year when she was shot. The only association might have been when he and Mancin co-sponsored background check legislation and I think she testified at the hearings for that.

Otherwise McGinty has a stronger gun-control rating while Toomey gets an "A" rating from the NRA, and that is finally be called out -

http://www.phillyvoice.com/democratic-pac-hits-toomey-gun-control-issue-web-ad/

In any case, as long as Philly voters hit the straight ticket button, Toomey is toast.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:40 AM

ananda (19,801 posts)

11. Oh God!

Un-fucking-believable!

There are no words for this kind of betrayal.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:42 AM

GreenPartyVoter (68,088 posts)

12. Yikes! Hope the voters ignore her!

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:52 AM

Thrill (18,770 posts)

14. WTF?

This must be from the Onion

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 07:53 AM

radius777 (1,322 posts)

15. and both McGinty and Duckworth are very pro gun control,

i.e. to the left of their Repub challengers, who are moderates (at best) on gun control.

Years ago you had races where the Dem was to the right (i.e. pro-NRA) of the Repub on this issue, but this is not the case here, so it doesn't make sense, other that Giffords maybe trying to appear "bi-partisan" by endorsing the few Repubs who support some form of gun control.

Of course if Dems lose the senate that is really going to be "great" for the gun control movement.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 08:02 AM

Star Member Tom Rinaldo (19,895 posts)

16. I understand the strategy. I still disagree

Gabby is trying to fracture the 100% Republican blockade of gun safety legislation. No doubt back when Tooney was weighing whether he would support a gun safety package after Sandy Hook he expressed concern that doing so would turn the NRA full force against him, and that it was political suicide for any Republican to support gun safety. Gabby is trying to show that gun safety activists will stand behind Republicans who take a stand against sharp NRA opposition. It is a message and may even have been a pledge.

Having said all that what I think she should have done is issue a public statement applauding both candidates for showing a willingness to stand up to the NRA and then not make any endorsement in that race.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 08:31 AM

Star Member Freddie (5,538 posts)

19. Toomey was only giving lip service to background checks

In an attempt to appear reasonable in this purple state. In every other was he is a typical Tea Party, anti-woman, anti-healthcare RWNJ asswipe.
I no longer admire Gabby Giffords.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 08:32 AM

Star Member a kennedy (17,893 posts)

20. Considered a one issue endorser?? Guns?? is that it???? eom

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 08:37 AM

ebbie15644 (782 posts)

21. This could actually hurt

toomey. Pa loves there guns like nothing else

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 08:42 AM

Star Member aikoaiko (29,212 posts)

22. LOL. Guntrol uber alles.


This is funny.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:50 AM

Star Member wisteria (19,265 posts)

23. Well that is a surprise.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 01:08 PM

Star Member johnp3907 (2,494 posts)

24. ugh

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