2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump Campaign Melts Down As They Realize Hillary Clinton Is Beating Them On The Ground
More: PoliticusUSAThe Trump campaign has melted down just days before the first presidential debate as they are low on cash and realizing that Hillary Clinton is out organizing them and winning on the ground.
The Trump campaign has melted down just days before the first presidential debate as they are low on cash and realizing that Hillary Clinton is out organizing them and winning on the ground.
Politico reported:
Frustration is growing within Donald Trumps campaign over the Republican nominees yawning money gap with Democratic rival Hillary Clinton just as the presidential race heads into its final fall stretch.
Trumps top advisers have held a series of tense conversations in recent days about how to close a fundraising hole thats grown to over $200 million a deficit thats led Trump to essentially cede the TV airwaves to his Democratic rival. The discussions, which were relayed by more than a half-dozen sources, have veered into finger pointing, with some participants pinning the blame on the Republican National Committee or on Steven Mnuchin, Trumps national finance chairman and a newcomer to the political scene.
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The flare-up comes at a critical juncture in the campaign, as both sides turn their attention to voter turnout. Clinton has used her formidable financial advantage to significantly out-organize Trump, investing seven times the amount of money on TV ads and opening up dozens more swing-state field offices than her Republican opponent.
Winning campaigns arent plagued by finger-pointing and infighting. Bitter internal fights ar
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)They're losing badly.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)18 posted on 2016-09-24, 11:47:07 AM by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
Because he's sincere.
1 posted on 2016-09-03, 7:32:37 PM by Mariner
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)if the media was reporting accurately, instead of carrying him.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)So called "liberal" media!
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Their buffoon of a candidate not only doesn't know how to campaign, he doesn't know how to hire people who do.
But Trump does know how to live off the contributions of the gullible, and so do those he hires.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Just how Trump is making money by using "campaign" money to pay his own business's, could be contributing to his lack of campaign money. Not only is he taking a huge cut of the money, but maybe the donors are wise to him, and don't think it's a great idea to donate to man who is raking in millions off the suckers who are dumb enough to donate to him! The GOP, and his brain dead base, may be stupid enough to let him get away with it, but big donors might not like it.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)when it was stolen in Ohio, been pretty accurate?
lots of ups and downs, and the "trusted" pollsters/aggregators are in a tizzy over what data to believe, so I hope a major meltdown DOES happen, and another course correction at the top is soon to be announced
you can COUNT on that happening if Trump performs miserably on Monday
Please let that happen, to the extent that the media can't cover for him the way they did for Dumbo in 00 and 04
qazplm
(3,626 posts)had at least a respectable ground game.
This will be the first election in a long time where one side has a significant advantage in ground game...we are about to get an experiment to see just how much a strong advantage in ground game matters or not.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/2004votefraud_ohio.html
believe what you will, but he WROTE that......whether it was a sales pitch or a promise to deliver, who knows
the polls (including the exit polls, which type were discontinued after that election, because of their ACCURACY, told a different story)
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)I've never seen such disloyalty by the (R) ever displayed. LOL
Farmgirl1961
(1,493 posts)But does anyone know why 538 still lags behind this upward trend? Hillary was at 60.9% yesterday and there's been a very slight downward tick today. If anything, I expected her numbers to continue to rise. Daily Kos drifted down as well. Just puzzled by this.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)and especially not hourly ones. It's a marathon, not a sprint. We're just about to finish the first leg with the debate.
Try to relax and enjoy the ride.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Does anyone get a vague sense of disconnection from this?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)who own his ass...
Reagan is rolling over in his grave over Trump.
randome
(34,845 posts)Talk about a failure as a businessman.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
brush
(53,776 posts)To a multi-billionaire, as Trump claims to be, two hundred million would be just a small percentage of his/her wealth so I guess we can reasonably assume Trump is no billionaire.
I mean come on, after two years of fighting off 16 other opponents in debates and primaries and all the physical demands of the campaigns in both the primary and the general stages, and all the money spent (much of it probably siphoned off to his own businesses but still a lot spent on the campaign), you'd think he'd just cough up some dough to not see all the work go to waste because of a lack of funds if he had it that is.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)as he funnels those "donations" into his own businesses and pocket.
piechartking
(617 posts)...I just recognize one of their headlines when I see it. It's always a half-step over where it needs to be, in my humble (and probably incorrect) opinion.
Gore1FL
(21,130 posts)When I see a story by them I usually google for a more believable take.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)A much longer read, but damn, it is a well-researched piece. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-campaign-money-woes-228601
Particularly concerning for Trump were revelations this week that Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, one of the Republican Partys biggest donors, had decided to direct just $5 million toward electing the GOP presidential nominee. Adelson, whod once been expected to invest as much as $100 million in Trump, is instead focusing the vast majority of his political giving on down-ballot races.
In the days since Mondays call, and Johnsons abrupt signoff, other members of Trumps finance circle have been stewing over Baileys remarks. Many of them believe theyve made the best out of a bad situation, pointing out that in the face of ongoing resistance from many of the partys top donors and lacking the infrastructure of past GOP presidential nominees, theyve managed to fund a national campaign.
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)People are leaking details of top secret conversations very early in the process. It is clear that many of the leakers are in CYA mode because they expect trump to lose
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)though this one does sound more accurate, except for the "meltdown" part.
underpants
(182,788 posts)I have seen FB posts featuring Eric Trump talking about all their volunteers and truing to recruit new ones.
radius777
(3,635 posts)on our side, as they're some of the few that are pro-Clinton/Obama/mainstream Dem, whereas most such sites are either far left or far right cesspools.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)FuzzyRabbit
(1,967 posts)The TV news for months has been giving Trump millions of dollars of free advertising, and still is. Hillary Clinton is hardly ever mentioned.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)writes3000
(4,734 posts)Trump will have to cover the other $90 Million.
I'll believe it when I see it here.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)He is a gazillion air.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Is still trying to screw over the vendors who worked on his campaign years ago!! It is a republican "thang" I guess. Newticles tried to worm out of paying his bills, and a judge refused his request. His zombie wife may have to pawn some of her Tiffany jewels!!
Pakid
(478 posts)Given Trump record on paying his bill I think it's a safe bet that he will stiff a lot of people out of a lot of money before he's done.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Has it at Hillary - 63% Dumpf - 32%
Betfair - https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.107373419
Has it Hillary pays $1.56 Drumph - $2.98
So both have Hillary with a 2:1 advantage over her opponent. Lots of folks putting their money where maybe their mouth ain't.
unblock
(52,207 posts)unblock
(52,207 posts)interesting how he always seem oh so rich except whenever he has to prove he's actually got money.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)He will be in deep doo doo if he loses. His creditors were promised lots of "perks" once he took over the WH. Vlad does not play nice when he is double crossed.
calimary
(81,235 posts)Surely you have enough pocket change - enough merely of what falls out of your pocket down between the sofa cushions that you could cover all this, right? Cough it up, Donald. Show us how much you got! Let's see you pull your campaign out of the hole, 'eh? 200 million dollars should be piddly shit to you, right? Because you're so rich, right? That's what you tell everybody, isn't it? Surely you have that much to spare in just simple walking-around money, 'eh, Diamond Jim? Let's see it.
After all, you alone can fix this, right? You've said so yourself!
sheshe2
(83,751 posts)Such a great business man, he can't even keep his campaign afloat. Just think what he would do to this Country!
canetoad
(17,153 posts)I was just thinking that the kind of campaign the nominees run would be a pretty good indicator of their presidentin' styles.
JDC
(10,127 posts)Hekate
(90,672 posts)He's a master of media manipulation.
NOW his campaign is worried? I'll believe that when I see it.
babylonsister
(171,059 posts)whether it happens is anyone's guess.
Trump campaign plans $140 million ad buy
By JULIE BYKOWICZ and JILL COLVIN Associated Press
September 24, 2016 7:59 AM
WASHINGTON
Donald Trump's campaign is planning for what it says will amount to $140 million worth of advertising from now until Election Day.
The total, if executed, would include $100 million in television airtime and $40 million in digital ads, according to senior communications adviser Jason Miller.
The plan represents a new approach for the billionaire businessman, who has repeatedly bragged in recent weeks about how much less he's spent than Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and seemed to rely heavily on free media coverage of his large rallies.
more...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article103861031.html
Stellar
(5,644 posts)...in certain states. I really believed he was not trying to win the election. But perhaps with all the free air time that he was getting, he probably figured he didn't need a ground game, with Donald who knows?
brush
(53,776 posts)If a campaign doesn't have staff and volunteers working everyday doing phone banking, canvassing, voter registration and data entry, etc., you're gonna lose.
Trump's hubris in thinking his strength of personality and ability to charm the free media and the rubes would more than make up for running a stingy "budget" campaign with little ground game is going to bit his ass.
It'll be even more evident after Monday's debate when he comes up against a knowledgeable, seasoned, experienced debater/candidate with real credentials in handling policy question with sound answers instead of bs and bombast.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)His supporters won't believe he stank as a businessman, but if they hear how badly he is running his campaign, they grow frustrated with him. How tough and how smart can he be if he lets that woman beat him at the campaign game?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,853 posts)Shows his campaign is being run by complete amateurs.
nakocal
(552 posts)The media will be out to rescue Trump again. The media only cares about profit, they do not care who they kill to get it.
DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts). . .so WTF did they expect??
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It was someone who has been rabid for him since the primary and made it onto MSNBC at one point.
But that's it... only that one person.
There were tons of us ready to canvass in NH yesterday.