Clinton camp statement on reports of Gennifer Flowers attending Monday's debate:

[riversedge]

I missed this earlier.
I think it is a great response!!




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Kyle Griffin ?@kylegriffin1 20h20 hours ago

Clinton camp statement on reports of Gennifer Flowers attending Monday's debate:

[oberliner]

1. Then why invite Mark Cuban?

Keep the sideshows out of it.

[izzybella]

2. Mark Cuban

He has been trying to get Trump to talk about the issues, but Trump has been unwilling to do so. Personally, I think Mark Cuban's presence makes a lot of sense.

[oberliner]

10. Mark Cuban is a jackass who wanted to be Trump's running mate at one point

And only really cares about self-promotion and the same kind of petty BS that Trump cares about.

Mark Cuban: I'd be Trump's running mate, or Clinton's

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban would think about being Donald Trump's running mate. Or Hillary Clinton's. Or maybe, he'll run for president next time around.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-cuban-id-be-donald-trumps-running-mate-or-hillary-clintons/

[Petrushka]

74. As long ago as July of 2015, Cuban said he'd consider being Trump's VP if Trump asked . . .

http://archive.is/821AY


. . . but, a year later, according to the link you posted, "...Cuban wouldn't only consider running on a ticket with Trump--he said he'd "absolutely" consider being Clinton's running mate too, if she would just "go more to the center."

[yeoman6987]

38. Nope. Part of sideshow sorry. No reason for him to be front and center.

This is not about Cuban.

[chillfactor]

3. for one thing Cuban is...

a heavy contributor to Clinton's campaign...is Gennifer to D'umps?

[TexasBushwhacker]

24. He also has a standing offer of millions to Trump

If he will sit down and talk about his policies for 4 hours. The initial offer was $5 Million but he upped it to $10 Million.

[oberliner]

33. He is promoting himself

I think he is using the campaign for his own ends.

[Kaleva]

47. Most people do.

They are going to support a campaign that best serves their own interests.

[oberliner]

48. Some people have principles beyond self-promotion

Mark Cuban is not one of those people.

[TexasBushwhacker]

50. If he exposes Trump as the liar, fraud and idiot he is

I really don't care about his motivations.

[oberliner]

52. He won't

He will just get himself more twitter followers.

[wordpix]

57. I think he will but who is watching?

At this point, I decided way back when I saw Bernie would not win the nomination.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. What are you doing, dude?

I mean, seriously. What's going on with this?

[oberliner]

5. HRC's campaign is not infallible

I think bringing Mark Cuban into it was silly.

The focus from HRC should be on the issues - let Trump pull whatever shenanigans he wants.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. No campaign is infallible

When every post you make is negative, however, it's really sad to see. Much respect for you and your thoughts, but you seem to be out to lunch on this cycle. It's hard to watch.

[oberliner]

13. HRC would be a fantastic president

I am doing everything I can to help ensure that she gets elected.

This forum is a place where one can occasionally be critical and/or negative since we know that we are among like-minded individuals who are all working to get HRC elected.

If I was running her campaign, I would urge her to focus on issues exclusively (which I think it what Bernie has suggested as well).

On every issue, the majority of voters in this country will find that they agree with her.

[bettyellen]

15. You're giving her advice to do exactly what she IS doing and just did again?

You think she controls Cubans tweets or something? That's an interesting CT.

[oberliner]

16. No, she is not doing that

The first three tweets/retweets on her official twitter feed are all about Trump.

Imagine Donald Trump sitting in the Situation Room ...

The NYT Editorial Board says Donald Trump should not be president...

Take it from those who have been there - Trump is not ready for the responsibility of being president:...

Further down she does have some issue-oriented posts, but the majority appear to be about Trump.

My advice is to stop talking about Trump and focus on the four or five most important issues of the campaign, and let the voters know exactly what you would do to improve their lives.

[bettyellen]

22. Further down 13/14 are positive posts about her policies and endorsements, so bullshit.

[oberliner]

25. The first three are about Trump

After that it looks like about one of four or five are about Trump.

And when you click on her website, a pop-up box comes up about Trump (at least it did just now for me).

My suggestion is to not focus so much on Trump.

Look at Bernie's twitter feed. Almost every tweet is about specific issues of importance.

That's what I think Hillary's ought to be like.

[bettyellen]

27. Bernie lost Dems almost 2::1, LOL at using a losing campaign to give "advice"....

I don't buy that you have good intentions. Not at all.

[oberliner]

30. My intentions are to engage in a discussion with my fellow DUers

It's totally fine if folks disagree with my opinions. In fact, that often makes for a much more interesting discussion. Obviously Hillary has some great people running her campaign and I'm sure they know what they are doing. I can see why it makes sense to put the focus on Trump's incompetence.

Just expressing what my preference would be.

[SunSeeker]

31. +1

[George II]

34. Obviously Clinton's campaign strategy so far has been successful. Sanders'?

[oberliner]

35. Bernie's campaign was pretty successful under the circumstances

He was a huge underdog who went from under 5 percent in the polls to over 40.

But that aside, I am just expressing my personal preference for what I would like to see.

[wordpix]

59. Just cool it with Mark Cuban. I like him

He's needling Trump and Trump Jr. on Twitter. He does a good job, too.

[oberliner]

64. Mark Cuban is a jackass

There are lots of people who support HRC that people here have criticized.

Mark Cuban is, among other things, a libertarian who has raved about Ayn Rand.

He is also a PR man who cares only about his image, his brand, and making more money.

He is on the record being on the wrong side of pretty much every issue.

For instance, he opposes paid family leave. He is against raising the minimum wage. He is against equal pay for women.

[Charles Bukowski]

6. If Trump had invited someone

like Guiliani, would anyone have considered it a sideshow?

[oberliner]

7. Trump brings Guiliani with him wherever he goes

Or so it seems.

Everything Trump does has a sideshow element to it in my opinion.

[Charles Bukowski]

8. As loathsome as Guiliani is

he isn't a sideshow.

He's a supporter of Trump and a vocal critic of Clinton. No different than Cuban.

[oberliner]

11. Mark Cuban: 'Good chance' I'll vote Trump if Clinton picks Warren as VP

Mark Cuban says if Hillary Clinton picks Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) as her running mate, "then there's a good chance I'll vote for Donald Trump."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283032-mark-cuban-ill-vote-for-trump-if-clinton-picks-warren-as-vp

That was in June.

This is from last year:

Cuban has recently praised the Trump campaign as “probably the best thing to happen to politics in a long long time” because Trump has shown that an unpolished businessman with an unconventional resume can run for office while speaking honestly about issues that matter to him.

http://fortune.com/2015/07/31/mark-cuban-donald-trump-veep/

[Charles Bukowski]

18. Mark Cuban changed his mind.

Good for him, I hope more follow suit.

How does that debunk the point I made?

[oberliner]

21. There is no evidence that he changed he mind

If Kaine had to step down and Hillary chose Elizabeth Warren for VP, there is nothing Cuban has said that suggests he would still support her. Please remember that he said he would not vote for Hillary if she chose Warren as VP in June of this year.

The man is a self-promoting jackass, just like Trump. Hillary would be well-advised to try to keep him on the sidelines, in my view.

[bettyellen]

29. There is NO evidence HRC wanted him to start a Twitter war either.

I think the time for CT theories that blame HRC for what other men do is long over. She does not control Cuban - and your other posts about him only prove that.

[oberliner]

32. True

But did she (or her campaign) actually invite him to sit in the front row of the debate, as he claimed?

If they did, I don't think that's a great idea.

[bettyellen]

37. They give out tickets, and audience members are in dark and silenced and do not generally talk to

Press, so it really only became a thing because of his tweet.

[oberliner]

39. "He has the best seat we have access to," the aide said.

"He has proven to be singularly effective in making the case against Trump and for Clinton," the aide adds. "That is why we invited him."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/politics/mark-cuban-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/

[bettyellen]

45. That has nothing to do with his tweet taunts but please proceed....

[oberliner]

49. When asked about Cuban, the aide did not say: "We give out tickets and audiences are in the dark..."

The aide made a point of saying they gave Cuban the best ticket they could and that they are happy with what he is saying and doing.

A response like the one you posted above would've been better in my view.

[bettyellen]

51. That is a lie, Obeliner. They said they gave him tickets because they had been happy with what he's

Done... That was very clearly not any sort of comment on his new tweet. They were smart enough to steer clear of any comments on that. Wow. I'm not sure if that was deliberate or a product of the extreme bias you've displayed against the campaign, but nope.


You're completely off base here. And blaming Hilary for shit someone else did. Nice try.

[oberliner]

53. What's a lie?

I was just saying that the response you gave would have been a great thing for the aide to say instead of saying good things about Mark Cuban, who is a jackass.

Let me give you an analogy that might help you understand where I am coming from.

There is a particular football team that I love. I want them to win every game. Sometimes, though, they call a run play when I think they should've called a pass play. When that happens I sometimes go on a message board with other fans of the team and express that opinion. Then we talk about whether or not it would have been better if they had run a pass play or a run play.

Does that make sense?

[bettyellen]

54. "They are happy with what he IS saying and doing" Nope, never happened

[oberliner]

55. "He has proven to be singularly effective in making the case against Trump and for Clinton"

That was what I was referencing when I said that the aide expressed that the campaign was happy with what he is saying and doing.

[bettyellen]

56. Past tense while explaining why they gave him tickets. It's always no context

When people catapult the propaganda.
Busted.

[oberliner]

65. Huh?

I have no idea what you are asserting here. I was just clarifying what I was referencing. The context was pretty clear in the article I linked to.

[bettyellen]

67. "That is why we invited him" - they never discuss his Twitter bullshit that you allege

Hillary applauded or encouraged.
That's just more bullshit. you know better.

[oberliner]

68. When did I allege that?

I was just saying that they seem pleased with Cuban and were happy to give him a good seat at the debate.

My assertion is that the campaign would be better off without him.

If I seem to have made any other claims in this regard, I did not mean to. I don't think I ever mentioned his Twitter comments. I just said that I didn't think they should've invited Cuban to the debate.

[bettyellen]

23. So that makes it okay when he does it. Transparent.

[oberliner]

26. Of course not

We know that Trump is a jackass. His campaign is shameful in every respect.

[wordpix]

60. lest we forget Krispie, soon to be indicted

He was Trump's shadow for awhile, too.

[oberliner]

66. Seems like he swapped him out for Rudy pretty early on

Lord knows what he has been up to as "head of the transition team" though.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Cuban was the bait that tRump ate & tweeted out Gennifer. She won't be there, apparently. nt

[oberliner]

14. Seems that way

And I think it's unfortunate that the day before the debate the news shows are talking about this nonsense (and other Trump nonsense) and virtually no one is actually talking about the issues that matter to people.

At least not on the MSM.

[stevenleser]

17. What you are lamenting was guaranteed when Trump was nominated.

He doesn't have any policy positions to talk about.

Now most of us are just trying to ensure that a bigger disaster doesn't happen in 40 or so days.

You're not going to get a campaign based on the issues this time, you may get flashes of it during the debates but that is about it. The sooner you make peace with that the better.

[oberliner]

19. That is an unfortunate conclusion to reach

While I do agree with you that Trump doesn't have any policy positions, I do know that there are issues that are very important and meaningful for HRC and her focus on those would resonate with voters who are sick of Trump's shenanigans.

I think it would be great for her to focus on her positives rather than his negatives.

Right now, if you go to her website, a box pops up saying "Donald Trump is temperamentally unfit to be President" - my preference would be not to see something about Trump when I click on Hillary's site.

[LakeArenal]

73. A large portion of both sides Love shenanigans...

Hillary can't focus on issues. Media, trump, the GOP, and the 30% of each side (60% total) won't let her.

Stop this bickering about Mark Cuban. It only makes him more of an issue...

No one on this team cares about Jennifer Flowers.

Stop it...

[Charles Bukowski]

20. That's entirely on Trump.

If the presence of Mark Cuban is so unnerving that he has to victim-blame HRC in retaliation, Trump has no one to blame but himself.

[SunSeeker]

28. Perfect. nt

[Chemisse]

36. Perfect!!

[moriah]

40. Only issue I have with that tweet is...

... that infidelity does affect people's lives, even if it's not the same as if she was his subordinate or in a position of power over her, or in any otherwise way non-consensual. (I was broken hearted for a long time when I learned the man I loved had carried out an online-only affair, and considered it infidelity even though they didn't sleep together until after he officially dumped me because he had made plans to move her here and lied to me for months during their preparations.)

But it IS ancient history and irrelevant to a Presidential campaign, whether she condemned the consensual affairs if she learned of them and forgave him, or condoned them so long as he was discreet -- I know a lot of good people who are openly polyamorous now but it wasn't politic to be in an open marriage in the public eye then. I also believe Bill and Hillary truly do love each other, and especially after Chelsea was born divorcing both someone you love deeply AND a good, loving father of your child over infidelity or not isn't something I'm going to judge (or would expect a cradle Methodist to easily consider doing).

As she said many times, she wasn't just "standing by her man" -- she'd married her best friend, loved him, and made her choice not to divorce over them because she loved him more than she hated his behavior. As the child of an addict I know that's possible. I didn't just "do my duty" when he died in hospice and I was there -- I never stopped loving him, even when I hated his behavior, and eventually learned how to have a relationship with him without enabling him to keep on with his self-destruction. It wasn't easy, but I was a child during the worst times and Hillary was a mature adult. (Edit to add: not saying Hillary enabled Bill at all, because there's a huge difference between giving an addict money to spend on meth and crack and infidelity. I loved my father too much to enable that, but I paid for a prepaid "My Circle" Alltel plan since we were in separate states so we could talk and he could talk to most people he cared about on an unlimited basis, plus his doctors and social workers, and didn't re-up if he used up his discretionary minutes.)

It's only the "morals police", already Trump humpers, that will react badly, and Flowers admits how much money she made from her allegations and books. (Gennifer may have been attracted to Bill's "celebrity" status as AG or Governor, but to my knowledge never worked for the state and never claimed non-consent. Sally Miller Perdue may have also been a consensual affair, but I think she's lying her rear off because of the allegations of crossdressing while playing the saxophone. Plus her years in the beauty pageant circuit were long over.)

Of course, if Trump tries to go that route by attacking her for saying that infidelity doesn't have an effect on people's lives, he's opening himself up to a huge pot and kettle, as he has committed numerous infidelities, including people that may have felt them sleeping with him would increase their chances in beauty contests. I don't know if Ivana has claimed forgiveness publicly, but I remember her cameo in some movie ("First Wives Club"?) where she said "Don't get mad, get everything!", so she certainly wasn't pleased at first.

[Petrushka]

75. Gennifer Flowers not invited to presidential debate after all

http://www.startribune.com/gennifer-flowers-not-invited-to-presidential-debate-after-all/394752891/

[moriah]

76. Yet another reason why drinking every time Drump lies is dangerous to your health... nt

[biglib63]

41. The other Mrs Trumps

Maybe the Clinton campaign should invite the other Mrs Trumps. The first Mrs Trump; the one he raped, The second Mrs Trump; the one he humiliated and dumped for the current Mrs Trump, and the fourth Mrs Trump, although she is probably busy in central park chasing Pokemon.

[moriah]

42. +1. Major pot and kettle issues if he even responds. Nt

[wordpix]

61. If only Hillary could/would

but she is too much of a diplomat for wrestling in the mud over family matters.

[athena]

43. Can someone please post a link?

For some reason, the image is not visible for me. I would really like to know what the statement was.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Here is a link to the OP's quote

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/debates-commission-frowns-on-cuban-sitting-front-row-228617

[wordpix]

62. lol, put Cuban in the 3rd row then or maybe 5th

These repukes will steal your land, your vote, your ACA health care and run things dictatorially, but have a non-supporter in the front row and they cry foul. What a trash can of dizz-ass-turds.

[athena]

63. Thank you!

[DallasNE]

46. Great Statement

Reminds me of something Michelle Obama might say and then explain as when they go low, we go high.

[Dembaby2016]

58. let them

Bring her to the debate. More women will vote for Hillary!🙏🏽

[Gothmog]

69. K&R

[underthematrix]

70. LOL! Hillary Clinton is the SHADE Maestro

[Unrepentant Fenian]

71. Bazinga!

[rivegauche]

72. Way WAY too mild and milquetoasty

The HRC campaign has treated that foul orange pig FAR too deferentially. We all know that HRC has bigger balls than anyone in Washington. She almost never gets ruffled. But, as admirable and valuable as those traits are in a POTUS, they don't work for her in this vile campaign atmosphere. Dump's people are are crude and vicious and I wish HRC would kick his ass a lot harder in public statements. It makes her look weak, imo.