2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNate Silver: Clinton's Win 3rd largest in history
Post-debate surveys like CNNs arent always popular with poll mavens, in part because the universe of debate-watchers may not match the electorate overall. The voters in CNNs poll were Democratic-leaning by a net of 15 percentage points, for instance, a considerably wider advantage than Democrats are likely to enjoy on Election Day.
But the CNN survey also historically correlates fairly well with movement in the post-election polls. Below, youll find a comparison between the perceived winner of the CNN/Gallup poll in debates since 1984, and how much the horse-race polls changed afterward. In 2012, for instance, Romney gained a net of 4.4 percentage points on Obama, although he eventually lost most of those gains. Bill Clinton, meanwhile, saw the polls swing by 4.1 points in his favor after the town hall debate of 1992.
The data is certainly noisy, but an emphatic win on the order of what Clinton or Romney achieved and perhaps what Hillary Clinton achieved on Monday night might be expected to produce a swing of 2 to 4 percentage points in horse-race polls. Even a 2-point gain would do wonders for Clinton, who would go from a fairly uncomfortable position in the Electoral College to a fairly comfortable one, and who would emerge with a 3-to-4-point lead in the popular vote.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-won-the-debate-which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/
DFW
(54,370 posts)And what, Trump had a comfortable one prior to the debate?
I can't believe I come from a country with a majority of morons.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)that should change now.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I have not been enjoying my daily 538 check lately.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Clinton had an uncomfortable lead in the Electoral College. Trump had and still has an uncomfortable deficit there.
After the conventions, Clinton had an 80 % chance of winning in 538's most cautious of three projection systems. That has come down to below 60% and though it ticked up a hair in the last 18 hours, it stands at a 56 % chance of beating Trump. Too close for comfort.
We'll see how it goes in the next few days. Best not to worry about it day to day.
DFW
(54,370 posts)It's difficult to find shelter
Bucky
(54,003 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)is being widely talked about.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)I really don't mean to discount his being a mysognistic POS, but there were so many larger issues the dolt screwed up on ...
At the end of the day as long as the sheep in this country somehow tune into how bad he is, it serves the purpose of getting us there, but at the same time it highlights how hard it is to cut through with practical, policy and fundamental management of government issues.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)But the Morning Joe crowd (which I never watch but fell asleep with the TV on last night) were saying ordinary people at the pharmacy and schools were talking about it.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)America is great NOW because so many women are involved in making and running the country, but so much of their potential is wasted by sick depraved fearful misogyny. It has to stop. Yesterday would not be too soon.
Here's an extreme post on the FReak site in a thread about an article claiming tRump showed too much testosterone:
I think Hillary showed too much IGNORANCE just like the women who
approve of her CRIMES.
Females DESTROYED America!
95 posted on 2016-09-27, 6:05:54 PM by CivilWarBrewing (Females DESTROYED America.)
When stuff like this is out in the open, there is a ton more just below the surface where subterfuge and looking the other way enables so many hindrances to the progress of women and therefore America.
Bucky
(54,003 posts)- The stamina moment,
- the call-out on him dodging taxes (and bragging about it!),
- the reassuring our global allies that the US will meet its obligations
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Is how stunningly ignorant he is on nuclear policy and national security. The extent to which he is driven by ego makes him erratic and unduly susceptible to flattery (think Putin). I don't trust him to carry out the most basic responsibility of the presidency--keeping the country safe. And I sure as hell don't want him anywhere near the nuclear codes.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Rachel talked about it last night
diminishes Hillary's margin somewhat
when you're being watched, you do things differently; those polled were told in advance that CNN would call them, so this supposedly affected the way they responded
?????
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)when I was working Manufacturing Engineering for a tech mfg company.
"That which is monitored improves."
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)employees who know they're being watched do a better job.
More Cameras! for More Science High!
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)But data collection and process monitoring do have the effect of "the boss is paying attention." Plus, generally, people do want to do a good job. There is still pride in craft out there, and if you give people monitoring tools to measure how well they are doing, they will kind of naturally want to bend those numbers in a positive direction, and thus improve things.
BTW, cameras can help if they are measuring specific things that the employees know about. If they are just there for security or big brother style watching, they don't help.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)but they won't soar. The country is too divided.
randome
(34,845 posts)How about this: Trump's losing performance was the 3rd largest in history!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)His wasn't the third worst but the very worst.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]
Bucky
(54,003 posts)he woulda been tied only with Palin
Mary Mac
(323 posts)Nt
BumRushDaShow
(128,920 posts)with Stockdale.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)She was given a script and memorized it. That's why she did comparatively well during her debate with Biden. Trump's ego wouldn't allow even the littlest preparation.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)I guess it is human nature to dismiss those who bring us news we don't want to hear and how they move back into our good graces when they instead bring us good news.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)I don't trust him
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)Which he "won"by 41 points and which gave him a 4-point bounce in the polls (albeit a fleeting one).
Who says cheating doesn't pay!?