2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSilence? Even if you honestly suspected a potential POTUS of cocaine abuse?
I have made it known here on DU for sometime now that I suspect Trump is using cocaine. The snorting through every sentence at every rally is nothing new. I have seen it before many times with Trump. It is either the worst cold ever known to mankind, an allergy that "Dr Oz" could not reveal, or just plain old cocaine abuse.
Don't tell me it's not right to voice my suspicions. Trump earned his right-wing cred by "forcing" our president Obama to "show his birth certificate." He calls women, "Ms Piggy." He claims Mexican men are rapists and even murderers. Even tonight he is saying that Hillary is too sick to serve and lies that she hurt the women who had affairs with her husband.
This may be our last chance to stop him before he snorts, lies and cheats his way into the White House.
It is absolutely morally wrong for Dems to back off now. Even Dr Dean suspects his cocaine abuse and is not backing down.
Everyone who has ever known a heavy cocaine user knows what I'm talking about. The potential for danger to our nation is immense. If we must protect the public safety by drug testing hamburger flippers, we MUST insist on a hair-follicle drug test for both candidates now.
Don't back down now. History, and the voters, will judge us harshly if it all comes out AFTER the election.
doc03
(35,337 posts)insist Trump do the same to clear this up. I don't think Trump is on cocaine but many people are saying he is. Trump brags about clearing up the Birther controversy we need to clear this up.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)Cannabis 7 to 30 days in urine, up to 90 days in hair, two weeks in your blood. Cocaine 3 - 4 days in urine, up to 90 days in hair, 1 - 2 days in your blood. Codeine 1 day in urine, up to 90 days in hair, 12 hours in your blood. Heroin 3 - 4 days in urine, up to 90 days in hair, up to 12 hours in your blood.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)that is woven into his own hair and glued to his head.
You'd be getting the hair of someone, but maybe not someone named Trump.
Hekate
(90,683 posts)Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #7)
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Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Especially after trump trash-talked Hillary 's health. If the signs are there, we should not ignore them, but press him on it. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he uses coke, uppers, etc.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)They are trying to enjoy it more. I knew a guy who would chop some cocaine very fine with a razor for a quick buzz, then snort a rock of it to enjoy a bit later while we were on the town. It never worked. In no time he would be back for more. It was sick.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I wouldn't worry about it.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)Many died because we did not fight back when we had a chance.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)You do you.
doc03
(35,337 posts)be so sure about that. I think it will be based on turn-out and from what I have seen and heard the turn-out is not going to be good.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)It's not going to be close.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I didn't say he can't win. I said he won't.
doc03
(35,337 posts)on DU everyone was talking about a landslide of historical proportions and any of us that warned them about being so confident
were called concern trolls. We got these snarky your concern is noted replies.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)It wasn't going to be close then and it's still not. You sound kinda wrapped up in the goings on of a message board.
ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)538 really analyzes numbers, historical data, demographics; they're the Cookie Monster of Data -- Like Johnny-5 in the movie. So even back when Hillary was looking at landslide numbers, they were saying it's likely to be closer than it looked like right then. They're predicting Hillary as the likely winner, but it's by no means certain. That's why they have separate predictions for polls only and "polls plus": Polls plus takes into account all that other data.
Their big and consistent warning is that this year there are far more undecideds and 3rd-party-backers than usual. Apparently the 3rd-party-backers tend to chicken out near the last moment and vote for one of the two primary candidates; so a third-party-backer is really a variation on undecided. Having so many undecideds makes it hard to predict the outcome based on polls.
Another thing that's new this year is that the Republicans have been able to take so much action to disenfranchise so many Dem voters, thanks largely to the Supreme Court quashing much of the Voting Rights Act. There are still court cases over the legality of some of it, and some rulings have gone against the bad guys -- But they will likely get away with some of it, including massive purges of existing registered voters. Also there might be some voter intimidation, disguised as poll watching or some such pretext, which Trump has encouraged loudly. So successful voter suppression is equivalent to lower voter turnout.
Probably Hillary wins, but it could be a landslide or a narrow margin depending mainly on those undecided voters, and also on turnout (in the broadest sense).
Be optimistic but not complacent.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I'm not into chasing polls. I have other hobbies.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)Or are the Dems just being a bit TOO adverse to risk, to even question the most critical risk that our votes can result in?
spooky3
(34,452 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Be drug tested who should? I know I am in the minority but I think Dean rocks. The moral police disgust me
kimbutgar
(21,148 posts)If you are a democratic candidate everything you do is questionable and subject to prosecution.
But if you are republican nothing you to see here move along.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)ColemanMaskell
(783 posts)There are (believe it or not) a number of interwebby-discussions seriously questioning whether Trump has Alzheimer's. His dad Fred had it, and it is hereditary. Some of Trump's apparent mental lapses could be explained that way, early stages of Alzheimer's. Sounds like his dad was 80 before he developed it, though. Anyway cocaine seems more plausible -- it seems like a simpler explanation.
Also the explanation of the sniffles as allergies doesn't hold water because it didn't sound as if he had nasal congestion (in the debate video footage). He just seemed to be sniffling without any sinus symptoms.
It seemed odd, like a horse that snorts when it's being held still and it wants to run. I don't think I ever saw anything exactly like it. The one cocaine user I knew of did sniffle oddly, but he always crinkled his nose in a lopsided way when he did it. Trump didn't seem to do the nose-crinkling. It was just the sniffing, like a nervous tic, like a horse being held back. A nervous tic perhaps.
But maybe not all cocaine users do the lopsided nose-crinkling when they sniffle.
Or maybe he took some sinus medication that cleared up sinus congestion but left the sniffle.
The thing about cocaine as an explanation is that it explains so much more than just the sniffle.
calimary
(81,265 posts)I tweeted several things A) to have his back and B) because I'VE SEEN AND HEARD THAT SHIT, MYSELF. Trump may have had an allergy or a cold or maybe some gnat flew by (or up) his nose or something - but it was startling and really glaring.
I was watching that *SNIFF* debate Monday night and *SNIFF* immediately was taken back to the hallway I was walking through, where certain station personnel passed me by and *SNIFF* . At least one of these individuals was well known to partake of a little blow. The same kind of *SNIFF* that Trump was doing onstage. It was the FIRST thing that came to my mind, watching *SNIFF* Trump. Literally made me start seeing my early career flashing in front of my eyes!
Working in rock radio, one saw and heard this a lot. A LOT. Sometimes one even heard it on the air. I remember listening to one noontime anchor begin a newscast announcing the "Dooz at Dood" followed by lots of mouth and nose noises and clicks and weird sounds, and a *SNIFF* or two, from doing so much coke (like just a moment or two before stepping into the on-air booth for news time). This individual always sounded like that - on-air and off. Constantly so stuffed-up so as to barely articulate normally. And it WASN'T any chronic cold that was to blame.
This was in the late 70s when Studio 54 in Manhattan was THE thing and fast times were THE rule, and the stuff was EVERYWHERE, coast-to-coast, throughout the industry, and beyond, I'm sure. I knew people who kept a collection of those little white plastic coffee stirrers that McDonald's used to issue with coffee orders - the stirrers had tiny spoon configurations at one end - just perfect to dip into one of those tiny little screw-top vials in which so many people kept their cocaine. McDonald's discontinued those little "stirrers" as soon as this other "usage" for them was discovered. There were people who had one long pinkie fingernail, because that made a good little scoop, perfect size, to dip into the vial and "spoon" out just the right amount to bring up under the nostril. Hell, one Christmas, there was a station at which the entire air staff was gifted with special custom-made framed coke mirrors with the station's logo on them.
Later in my career, that chapter had ended, but Lordy Lordy, in rock radio in the 70s, it was EVERYWHERE. To the point where it was at times actual "currency" in various promotional campaigns.
I went to one Radio & Records conference (R&R was a major industry trade journal back then, that EVERYBODY on the staff waited for, hungrily, to come in the mail every week) where cocaine was everywhere. The Blues Brothers were the entertainment at the big banquet that was the conference finale. They were really new and hot at that moment and this was, as Joe Biden would say, "a big fucking deal". The hospitality suite in the hotel that the Blues Brothers' record label hosted was so packed with people wanting to see and be seen with Belushi & Aykroyd that you could barely get in. There was a coffee table in the living room of the suite - and its top was covered with a mound of cocaine - free for any and all to enjoy. Belushi had already made quite a name for himself as an afficionado - which, sadly, eventually contributed to his death. Obviously everybody thought it was first-class "hospitality"! You couldn't move in that room. Heaven forbid you'd need to go to the bathroom! Of course, in a scene like that, at an event like that, I would suspect more-of-the-same, piled-higher-and-deeper would be going on in the bathroom, too, and you probably wouldn't be able to get in there, either.
Anyway, that's an era LONG gone. But I absolutely do remember all the cocaine usage I saw, among coworkers and other associates and colleagues and friends in rock radio. And the *SNIFFS* I heard. Out loud and big and noisy and sustained like Trump's were, during the debate. I tried it myself back then, because it literally was everywhere in the industry and you never had to look far to find it (like maybe to the person standing next to you at any given time). Everybody around me was into it, so why not? I tried it a few times. Turns out I didn't like it. I soon realized that - shit, for the kind of money cocaine cost, I could get the same effect for free simply by sucking on an ice cube! All it ever did, for me, was freeze my front teeth and stuff up my nose so I couldn't breathe. Who the hell needs that? Besides, I rather enjoy breathing. Whatever cocaine was supposed to have done that was so great? Never happened for me. So I didn't go further with it. I never did discover what the appeal was. And I was QUITE content with that. Relieved, actually! I think there were some stations where I worked where I may have been the only one who didn't indulge. Now ... weed, on the other hand ... uh ...
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)You've provided none.
JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)It is not at all unreasonable to suspect a person who can't even stop snorting for the most important job in the world. Why would any reasonable person ask for less? It only adds to my suspicions that he is being given a pass because of his immense wealth.