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So how is Tim Kaine as a debater? (Original Post) Mamajami Oct 2016 OP
I guess we will find out tomorrow night..... chillfactor Oct 2016 #1
He is a Harvard Law graduate. I am willing to bet he can more than hold his own. AgadorSparticus Oct 2016 #2
Pence has been practicing against Scott Walker. Frank Cannon Oct 2016 #5
Don't sleep on Pence Cosmocat Oct 2016 #6
True that. Frank Cannon Oct 2016 #11
Point taken - but "to be fair" Cosmocat Oct 2016 #13
I heard that!! Could he have picked anyone dumber to practice against?? adigal Oct 2016 #38
Kaine is a fairly savvy and tough politician. radius777 Oct 2016 #3
Just seeing his speeches duncang Oct 2016 #4
The OP calls Kaine a "loser" Democat Oct 2016 #7
The OP was implying that respect, honesty and compassion are negatives to the moronic voter. TheBlackAdder Oct 2016 #14
Hard to give the benefit of the doubt when the OP is constantly JTFrog Oct 2016 #15
Don't you get the meaning of quotations around a word? "Loser" is not the meaning of the OP!! ancianita Oct 2016 #17
I am being fair. JTFrog Oct 2016 #21
No, OP is creative with headlines. I don't think DU should allow new registrations to post OPs Sunlei Oct 2016 #22
I see. Then, where is MIRT in all this. ancianita Oct 2016 #23
MIRT can only ban posters with less than 100 posts. eom MoonRiver Oct 2016 #25
Agree BlueInPhilly Oct 2016 #24
Hit and run with right wing crap Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #31
All of their recent threads are putting down Democrats Democat Oct 2016 #16
Uhh...what? nt LexVegas Oct 2016 #8
Let's be real about this situation - the media Cosmocat Oct 2016 #9
Good points. This is the most coverage Tim's gotten since he was announced underpants Oct 2016 #28
excellent. Even in high school he was in debate club & class president. contrast /w radio rw Pence Sunlei Oct 2016 #10
He seems to be a factoid debater, not a confidence man and trickster like Pence is. TheBlackAdder Oct 2016 #12
What does "all the things that make on a "loser" in the eyes of the voter,"mean? MoonRiver Oct 2016 #18
He is 8-0 in elections mcar Oct 2016 #19
Unless Pence can translate into Spanish, he's a loser in Florida... Sancho Oct 2016 #20
Not his first dog and pony show. He will do just fine. He has had the same debate prep team as HRC. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #26
From 2012 NWCorona Oct 2016 #27
Thank you! Lucinda Oct 2016 #36
I'm not concerned at all. stonecutter357 Oct 2016 #29
educated by jesuits. mopinko Oct 2016 #30
Excellent point! BlueMTexpat Oct 2016 #32
Right, suggests well educated. elleng Oct 2016 #35
Pence will be formidable, I'm sure. hamsterjill Oct 2016 #33
Kaine easily handle Allen in the previous senate campaign debate beachbum bob Oct 2016 #34
they should ask Pence about the Florida group greymattermom Oct 2016 #37
Kaine will win easily. Joe941 Oct 2016 #39

chillfactor

(7,684 posts)
1. I guess we will find out tomorrow night.....
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 11:57 PM
Oct 2016

but I am willing to bet Kaine can hold his own against Pence.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
2. He is a Harvard Law graduate. I am willing to bet he can more than hold his own.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:21 AM
Oct 2016

Pence is a lawyer too. But unfortunately for him, "he isn't very bright

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
5. Pence has been practicing against Scott Walker.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:39 AM
Oct 2016

I shit you not. When I heard that on the news this morning, I spat out my coffee. Scott Walker.

Cosmocat

(14,913 posts)
6. Don't sleep on Pence
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:14 AM
Oct 2016

he started as a talk radio guy, and is a VERY polished and comfortable talking points disseminater.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
11. True that.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:32 AM
Oct 2016

I just think it's hilarious that the only Kaine stand-in they could find is quite possibly one of the dumbest Governors in the United States.

Cosmocat

(14,913 posts)
13. Point taken - but "to be fair"
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:35 AM
Oct 2016

what republican could they possibly get that has Kaine's decency and civility.

Probably threw them off.

radius777

(3,768 posts)
3. Kaine is a fairly savvy and tough politician.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:22 AM
Oct 2016

He's 8-0 in elections, has been a successful mayor, governor, senator - with an excellent command of policy and issues, moderate/bipartisan approach to problem solving, etc.

Don't mistake his nice guy image for wimpiness, he will reveal Pence for the failed governor and xtian extremist he is, and go hard at Don the Con (which is what I think most of his time will be spent doing).

duncang

(3,398 posts)
4. Just seeing his speeches
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:49 AM
Oct 2016

One thing for sure in my mind he is a really likeable sincere person. And I think that will come out in the debates. He should score high in some of the polling questions afterward. Like do you trust him? etc.


Pence on the other hand comes off as a self serving jerk. Someone who drew the short straw and gets to follow a dipshit running around. The minute he has to defend dipshit will be the telling moment. If you watched him other times he really comes off as fake. The debates I'm sure will show that.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
15. Hard to give the benefit of the doubt when the OP is constantly
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:44 AM
Oct 2016

tossing out right wing talking points.

Right or wrong, that's how it goes here.

ancianita

(38,101 posts)
17. Don't you get the meaning of quotations around a word? "Loser" is not the meaning of the OP!!
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 09:40 AM
Oct 2016

Good lord. Pay fucking attention and be fair.

This OP is an attempt to get DU to understand how our opposing voters see our candidate.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
21. I am being fair.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:17 AM
Oct 2016

As fair as I can be at this point.

I've been paying attention to many of the OP's posts.

Cosmocat

(14,913 posts)
9. Let's be real about this situation - the media
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:21 AM
Oct 2016

As most noted about MJ today, they see Hillary bumping back up and are spinning HARD to tear her down and try to prop Trump up.

They are absolutely going to come into this with the bias of wanting to call a Pence win.

As others in this thread note - Kaine is a rock solid politician, pretty clearly under rated.

But, Pence is solid, too. YES, his positions are horrific to us. But, he is a former talk radio guy who is a VERY practiced and comfortable talking points disseminater.

The best we can hope for her is the POS media calling it a tie, IMO, assuming it plays out like it looks like it will, both being fairly solid with no major gaffes. But, make no mistake, the Rs are desperate and will jump on a "sigh" or some other bullshit with Kaine and the media will GLEEFULLY run with it ... I can very easily see a frame where the Kaines affable nature is spun negatively while Pence is cast as some ROCK SOLID, TOUGH GUY who this country needs during these dark times or some bullshit like that.

underpants

(186,291 posts)
28. Good points. This is the most coverage Tim's gotten since he was announced
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:10 PM
Oct 2016

The press has been ignoring him.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. excellent. Even in high school he was in debate club & class president. contrast /w radio rw Pence
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 08:29 AM
Oct 2016

whose entire career is losing at runs for office while using donation money to pay for personal expenses. Long stretches on republican talk radio as a less nasty version of Rush.

Tim Kaine was also on Obamas VERY short list for VP, along with Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

"Tim Kaine has a message of fiscal responsibility and generosity of spirit. That kind of message can sell anywhere." Obama 2007

MoonRiver

(36,963 posts)
18. What does "all the things that make on a "loser" in the eyes of the voter,"mean?
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:03 AM
Oct 2016

Your post is confusing. Where are you coming from?

Sancho

(9,097 posts)
20. Unless Pence can translate into Spanish, he's a loser in Florida...
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:13 AM
Oct 2016

I really liked Hillary explanation of choice that Kaine needs to memorize: when governments control personal control you get Chinese quotas, Iranian stoning, and all kinds of interventions that the US doesn't want to start on...so it's a personal decision what you believe.

That will come up for sure.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
26. Not his first dog and pony show. He will do just fine. He has had the same debate prep team as HRC.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:09 PM
Oct 2016

He is a very smart guy. He will bait Pence into some crazy statement.

BlueMTexpat

(15,483 posts)
32. Excellent point!
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM
Oct 2016

More from Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kaine

In 1976, he graduated from Rockhurst High School, a Jesuit all-boys preparatory school in Kansas City, Missouri. At Rockhurst, Kaine joined the debate team and was elected student body president.

Kaine received his B.A. in economics from the University of Missouri in 1979, completing his degree in three years and graduating summa cum laude. He was a Coro Foundation fellow in Kansas City in 1978. He entered Harvard Law School in 1979, interrupting his law studies after his first year to work in Honduras for nine months from 1980 to 1981, helping Jesuit missionaries who ran a Catholic school in El Progreso. While running a vocational center that taught carpentry and welding, he also helped increase the school's enrollment by recruiting local villagers. Kaine is fluent in Spanish as a result of his year in Honduras.

After returning from Honduras, Kaine met his future wife, first-year Harvard Law student, Anne Holton. He graduated from Harvard Law School with a J.D. degree in 1983. Kaine and Holton moved to Holton's hometown of Richmond, Virginia, after graduation, and Kaine was admitted to the Virginia Bar in 1984.


Kaine will do just fine.

hamsterjill

(15,443 posts)
33. Pence will be formidable, I'm sure.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:51 PM
Oct 2016

I haven't had a lot of exposure to Senator Kaine as Secretary Clinton's running mate was not a make or break factor for me. I decided early on that she would have my vote.

What little I have seen of Senator Kaine has impressed me. He's obviously very knowledgeable and savvy, and I agree with the OP as to his integrity, compassion and honesty.

I wish him the best in the debate tonight because I know that Pence is going to get down and dirty. It would be difficult for ANY candidate to maneuver against an opponent (like Pence and/or Trump) who lacks integrity, honesty and compassion.

So...Go, Tim, Go!!!!!!!!!

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