2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI think Kaine just won the debate
With the Russian discussion. Shaky start but sealed the deal.
Oh lord and now for foundation talk surely Kaine can stop this nonsense with the corrupt Trump foundation.
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)That was huge.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Hope Kaine can respond to that later.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Sounds like desperation.
procon
(15,805 posts)He's scoring consecutive points and keeping Pence off balance.
ALBliberal
(2,339 posts)Kaine makes.
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JCMach1
(27,556 posts)ALBliberal
(2,339 posts)Abortion laws pence has championed in Indiana like requiring ultrasounds for women seeking abortion.
radius777
(3,635 posts)considering the first question was bait/trap - he didnt' fall for it, gave his opening statement, really strong argument for Hillary as public servant and Con as selfish.
Kaine clearly is appealing the the Constitution and fundamental American values of civil rights, women's rights, religous freedom, separation of church and state.
Pence's final answers on abortion - sounds way too fundie/xtian nut.
Kaine rocked it on Roe v Wade, quoting the bible 'from the fullness of heart the mouth speaks'
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)Bastard!
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)ALBliberal
(2,339 posts)Conclusion too quick he will backpedal I think
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)ALBliberal
(2,339 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)wisteria
(19,581 posts)calimary
(81,222 posts)He really couldn't help but succeed to some extent because Trump left things at the very bottom of the Marianas Trench. And it was a glaring contrast. Pence was clearly more adult and much less of a hyperactive adult-sized five-year-old. So how could he not earn higher marks. Maybe relievedly higher marks - along the lines of "well, at least BOTH of 'em aren't nutbags!" or - "well him I suppose I could live with because he isn't flat-out insulting people..." He'll get points for more or less adult behavior.
Eugene Robinson pointed out, though that Pence interrupted as much as Kaine did, but Kaine started it. They're talking about the the repeated denial of clearly and provably true facts and quotes. I'm really glad to see this! Steve Schmidt points out that the true accurate quotes and actual facts will be played back to disprove Pence's
Lawrence O'Donnell, too: "Mike Pence denied Trump saying something we have videotape of him saying."
Mike Murphy the GOP strategist said something I agree with: Mike Pence wasn't making a case for Donald Trump, he was making a case for himself, four years from now. He also said the big loser tonight is Ted Cruz, because Mike Pence just stepped in his way.
hay rick
(7,608 posts)Immediately afterwards the talking heads all called it for Pence and then CNN went to the focus group. The focus group clearly called it for Kaine. Then the commentator jumped in and said that was probably because the debate was in Virginia and a lot of the people on their panel had previously voted for Kaine. CNN is an embarrassing fraud.
elmac
(4,642 posts)are salivating over Pences presidential performance, sickening.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)But then, he was all upset that Trump didn't talk about JOBS because he thinks Trump is one of those "Job Creator" deities.
ALBliberal
(2,339 posts)Putin rang hollow. But.... So many voters are just tuning in. The takeaway could be that the Republican ticket is strong against Russia. Up is down....
Gothmog
(145,168 posts)Pence is running for 2020 and did not defend trump at all. That will hurt this election
C Moon
(12,212 posts)In the next few days, this debate will be forgotten, and we'll all be focused on the real issue: getting Trump and the GOP outta there!
ffr
(22,669 posts)He was the aggressor, putting Pence on the defensive all evening.
How many times did Pence have to fall back on some rehearsed line and stare around the room with that goofy face of his?
Kaine just blew his doors off.
Pence rehearsed lines served red meat to his base, but nowhere did his message appeal to the center or the left. He was off topic over and over, having to be reminded to answer the question.
HRC-Kaine are 2 - 0.
See 41:55s