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I think Kaine just won the debate (Original Post) ALBliberal Oct 2016 OP
Yup Johnny2X2X Oct 2016 #1
I agree! nt OhZone Oct 2016 #2
He just did great taking down the CORRUPT Trump foundation. RBInMaine Oct 2016 #3
And then Pense lied his ass off about how much money Clinton Foundation donates to charity. MoonRiver Oct 2016 #5
Pence is using the right wing scandal talking points. upaloopa Oct 2016 #4
He's definitely settled down and doing much better now. procon Oct 2016 #6
I like the church and state stance ALBliberal Oct 2016 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #8
He just nailed the religion question... JCMach1 Oct 2016 #9
Kaine should bring up the horrible ALBliberal Oct 2016 #10
Kaine rocked him, I don't agree the start was shaky, thought it was strong radius777 Oct 2016 #11
Kaine didn't have to beat Pence; just tRump. Pence couldn't defend tRump. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #12
Not according to Chris Matthews BlueInPhilly Oct 2016 #13
yuge bastard............tweety that is KewlKat Oct 2016 #15
Ya Matthews jumped to that ALBliberal Oct 2016 #19
+1, Matthews think Pence can run with tRump wrapped around his neck !!! uponit7771 Oct 2016 #18
+1, that's what I thought to uponit7771 Oct 2016 #14
Carville has an honest take ALBliberal Oct 2016 #16
What did he say? regnaD kciN Oct 2016 #26
I though Cain did just fine. wisteria Oct 2016 #17
I think the reviews will be kinder to Pence because he didn't do a Trump. calimary Oct 2016 #20
Watched it on CNN with my wife. hay rick Oct 2016 #21
the canned corporate networks elmac Oct 2016 #22
Tweety thinks Pence won.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #23
Pence's strong words on Russia and ALBliberal Oct 2016 #24
Kaine forced Pence to throw trump under the bus Gothmog Oct 2016 #25
Didn't think of that. You're correct, I think. C Moon Oct 2016 #27
Kaine was masterclass!!! Donald's personal Mt. Rushmore! ffr Oct 2016 #28

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
5. And then Pense lied his ass off about how much money Clinton Foundation donates to charity.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:24 PM
Oct 2016

Hope Kaine can respond to that later.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. He's definitely settled down and doing much better now.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:24 PM
Oct 2016

He's scoring consecutive points and keeping Pence off balance.

Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

ALBliberal

(2,339 posts)
10. Kaine should bring up the horrible
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:31 PM
Oct 2016

Abortion laws pence has championed in Indiana like requiring ultrasounds for women seeking abortion.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
11. Kaine rocked him, I don't agree the start was shaky, thought it was strong
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:32 PM
Oct 2016

considering the first question was bait/trap - he didnt' fall for it, gave his opening statement, really strong argument for Hillary as public servant and Con as selfish.

Kaine clearly is appealing the the Constitution and fundamental American values of civil rights, women's rights, religous freedom, separation of church and state.

Pence's final answers on abortion - sounds way too fundie/xtian nut.

Kaine rocked it on Roe v Wade, quoting the bible 'from the fullness of heart the mouth speaks'

calimary

(81,222 posts)
20. I think the reviews will be kinder to Pence because he didn't do a Trump.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:00 PM
Oct 2016

He really couldn't help but succeed to some extent because Trump left things at the very bottom of the Marianas Trench. And it was a glaring contrast. Pence was clearly more adult and much less of a hyperactive adult-sized five-year-old. So how could he not earn higher marks. Maybe relievedly higher marks - along the lines of "well, at least BOTH of 'em aren't nutbags!" or - "well him I suppose I could live with because he isn't flat-out insulting people..." He'll get points for more or less adult behavior.

Eugene Robinson pointed out, though that Pence interrupted as much as Kaine did, but Kaine started it. They're talking about the the repeated denial of clearly and provably true facts and quotes. I'm really glad to see this! Steve Schmidt points out that the true accurate quotes and actual facts will be played back to disprove Pence's

Lawrence O'Donnell, too: "Mike Pence denied Trump saying something we have videotape of him saying."

Mike Murphy the GOP strategist said something I agree with: Mike Pence wasn't making a case for Donald Trump, he was making a case for himself, four years from now. He also said the big loser tonight is Ted Cruz, because Mike Pence just stepped in his way.



hay rick

(7,608 posts)
21. Watched it on CNN with my wife.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:03 PM
Oct 2016

Immediately afterwards the talking heads all called it for Pence and then CNN went to the focus group. The focus group clearly called it for Kaine. Then the commentator jumped in and said that was probably because the debate was in Virginia and a lot of the people on their panel had previously voted for Kaine. CNN is an embarrassing fraud.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
23. Tweety thinks Pence won....
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:11 PM
Oct 2016

But then, he was all upset that Trump didn't talk about JOBS because he thinks Trump is one of those "Job Creator" deities.

ALBliberal

(2,339 posts)
24. Pence's strong words on Russia and
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:17 PM
Oct 2016

Putin rang hollow. But.... So many voters are just tuning in. The takeaway could be that the Republican ticket is strong against Russia. Up is down....

Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
25. Kaine forced Pence to throw trump under the bus
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:23 PM
Oct 2016

Pence is running for 2020 and did not defend trump at all. That will hurt this election

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
27. Didn't think of that. You're correct, I think.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:34 PM
Oct 2016

In the next few days, this debate will be forgotten, and we'll all be focused on the real issue: getting Trump and the GOP outta there!

ffr

(22,669 posts)
28. Kaine was masterclass!!! Donald's personal Mt. Rushmore!
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:12 AM
Oct 2016


He was the aggressor, putting Pence on the defensive all evening.

How many times did Pence have to fall back on some rehearsed line and stare around the room with that goofy face of his?

Kaine just blew his doors off.

Pence rehearsed lines served red meat to his base, but nowhere did his message appeal to the center or the left. He was off topic over and over, having to be reminded to answer the question.

HRC-Kaine are 2 - 0.



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