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radius777

(3,635 posts)
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:05 AM Oct 2016

Todd: Pence on style, Kaine relentless, exposed contradictions.

Chuck Todd said that while Pence won style points for a potential 2020 run, and Kaine may've interrupted too much for some, Kaine's attacks were relentless and effective in exposing contradictions between Trump and Pence's actual stances, forcing him to defend Trump, while Pence kept shrugging and denying things that both he and Trump have said. And that over the coming days it will continue to gnaw away at them as the media exposes the contradictions.

Robert Costa, Rachel, Eugene Robinson also said similar things. Also about Pence constantly shrugging his shoulders 'huh' and failing to defend against Kaine's barrage of attacks against Trump.

Todd also said that the VP debate (unlike the presidential debate) is more about appealing to and consolidating the base, which both did effectively. Matthews also said similar things, but saw a bigger victory for Pence that the rest did (but saw it more in the context of Pence 2020 than anything else).

Lawrence Odonnel, "I don't think Pence won this debate, left material very rich for Clinton campaign to use.(contradictions, denials)." He said Kaine had no such contradictions, consistent.

Remember, the VP debate isn't a faceoff between each other, but about who can more effectively attack and expose the top of the opposing ticket.

Carville: both sides needed to do what they did (excite the base), will take what they need, by Sunday will be forgotten.

edit to add:

Schmidt: Pence looked good on style, Kaine like special teams guy on football team, ran down the field get dirty, Pence shaking head denying reality, what remains when we look back a week from now, Tim Kaine the one who scored the points.

Murphy: Kaine's content was good stuff, everytime he mentioned Trump he was scoring points. Pence ducked alot of the Trump defense to sell himself long term.

Wallace: didn't like Kaine's performance, thought Pence more statesman like, but he couldn't defend the indefensible (Trump), doesn't think would make difference overall.

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Todd: Pence on style, Kaine relentless, exposed contradictions. (Original Post) radius777 Oct 2016 OP
I think that's a good summary of it. tammywammy Oct 2016 #1
Lawrence rocks! blue cat Oct 2016 #2
FAUX News commentator had similar thoughts, they both did what was needed for the base uponit7771 Oct 2016 #3
Bingo. #1 job of the VP during the campaign ffr Oct 2016 #4

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
1. I think that's a good summary of it.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:09 AM
Oct 2016

This isn't a game changer, except that Pence is in the running for 2020. If Trump stays off Twitter, then this will help Trump move on from the Miss Universe and taxes spat. Though I don't think the tax issue is dead.

Thought Kaine had a good game plan and did what he needed to do.

uponit7771

(90,382 posts)
3. FAUX News commentator had similar thoughts, they both did what was needed for the base
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 12:19 AM
Oct 2016

... and Kaine was there to attack tRump and make Pence defend him

ffr

(22,689 posts)
4. Bingo. #1 job of the VP during the campaign
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 02:15 AM
Oct 2016

Attack the other campaign relentlessly.

Kaine attacked relentlessly using facts and some humor. Brilliantly done!

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