2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum*Republican hypocrisy:
If Trump wins, the election is legitimate and the people have SPOKEN. If Hillary wins, it must be RIGGED.
Donald Trump is accused of forcing himself on over ten women. STICK TO THE ISSUES. Bill Clinton accused of misconduct by 4 women. His wife should be disqualified from office.
Hillary Clinton has not directly mentioned any of Trump's accusers. She need to stop distracting from real issues. Trump has a press conference with 4 of Bill Clinton's accusers, gives them front row seats to the debate, and mentions them at a debate. Great job taking the gloves off president Trump.
Bill Clinton cheats on his wife. Impeach him. Trump proudly brags about sexual assault (has 5 kids with 3 wives and has cheated on his wives). Elect him.
Hillary oversaw the department of state while 4 people died in an embassy attack. JAIL HER. 2 Republicans were in office while over 200 people died in embassy attacks. No problem.
Immigrants don't pay taxes. Round them up and kick them out. Trump doesn't pay taxes. He's a business genius.
Independent fact checkers found Trump is likely the least truthful candidate in the history of politics. He tells it like it is. Hillary is statistically more truthful than most politicians according to fact checkers. She is the most untrustworthy person ever.
Hillary's foundation only spent 87% of their donations helping people (average amount is 75%). CROOKED. Trumps foundation paid off his debts, bought paintings of him, and made political donations to avoid investigations for a fake university while using less than 5% of funds for charity (and he got shut down by NY State). So savvy... Put him in the white house.
Trump made 4 billion dollars in 40 years, when an index fund started at the same time with the same "small loans" he received would be worth $12 billion today... without a trail of bankruptcies, thousands of lawsuits and burned small business owners. He's a real business whiz. Hillary took a loss of $700k. She's a criminal.
Trump is the first candidate in the modern era not to release his tax returns, and took a billion dollar loss in 1 year. Genius. Hillary releases 40 years of taxes. Corrupt. Trump denies saying things (on the record) he actually said (on the record), he's just telling it like it is.
Your arguments are thin. Your ignorance of reality is shocking. Your double-standards are offensive, and your willingness to blindly support him and recycle the rhetoric is absurd. Your opinion is not fact. Your memes are not news articles. And your hypocrisy is not a platform."
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***This was posted by someone in a blog that I found.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)Undocumented workers cannot collect the Social Security they were forced to buy. Trump collects it.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Theyre contributing billions of dollars a year to Social Security, but may never reap any retirement benefits from it.
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But there are still about 340 million unclaimed tax forms recorded in the file, compared to 270 million nearly a decade ago. A good portion of those forms were filed by employers on behalf of some of the most unlikely funders of Social Security: undocumented immigrants. In fact, illegal immigration is considered largely responsible for the mushrooming of the file, with undocumented workers paying billions in taxes for retirement benefits they will likely never receive.
It works like this: Many immigrants who arent authorized to work in the United States buy fake Social Security cards and present them to their employers, who either dont know they are fake or dont look too closely. When the employer submits a W-2 form and a tax payment on those workers behalf to the Social Security Administration, the federal government holds onto those payroll taxes, even if the Social Security number isnt linked to anyone on file. And then, a large chunk of that money ends up in the Social Security trust funds, from which retirement benefits are doled out to aging Americans.
The Atlantic
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Having worked for DHS for many years, part of my job was to run the social security numbers on those people that are applying for assistance, and to find that they had employment under that number. And these people were made to go to or respond to those places that said that they were employed there. If they were employed they could not receive food/income for their families.
BTW: "they are forced to pay into social security"?
Festivito
(13,452 posts)If their boss takes FICA out of their check, what can they do about it? It is forced in that case.
Being paid under the table might be preferable to them, but they are forced to take what the bosses offer.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)If they are using somebody S.S. number that they can not collect S.S. income?
Festivito
(13,452 posts)Got a neighbor kid like this. Goes to job site, gets picked up by his friends and parties day in day out. To think he could collect the excess federal tax and then collect SS later in life is interesting.
Or, you mean that an undocumented worker puts money into SS using an unused SS number that actually belongs to himself. Can he later collect SS despite not being a citizen, or, if he becomes a citizen could he collect money put into the system when he was working illegally. That would be up to the SS system. That could be complicated.
That I do not know.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)..under their child's name not knowing that we have to run the S.S. numbers of everyone in the household. That's when we find out that it was no one in that family unit that's working.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)Towlie
(5,332 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)therefore, LOCK HER UP. Trump stands on a stage and calls on Russia to hack Hillary's emails, has a dirty tricks operative, Roger Stone, admitting he has a back channel to Assange and raves about Putin and the hacked emails THAT AREN'T HILLARY'S and he will lose as a result of a rigged election.
mreilly
(2,120 posts)Trump supporters: "If Trump loses it's obviously because the election was RIGGED!
That makes so much more sense than to think the majority of people rejected an arrogant, know-nothing lying, racist misogynistic SOB with a string of bankruptcies and burned contractors, who brags about paying no federal taxes, who entices mindless supporters with impossible pie-in-the-sky, ponies-and-lollipops-for-all promises, who wants to throw his political enemies in jail, who is about to go on trial for rape after bragging about sexually assaulting women (about against whom many other women have come forward with new accusations about him, but oh, of course they're lying but anyone who said the same about Bill Clinton was telling the truth), and who independent fact-checking sites have consistently rated the worst liar in this entire Presidential campaign!
Oh, it's so unfair how the MEDIA IS PICKING ON TRUMP!"
Assholes. Pure assholes.
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)many immigrants do pay taxes?
Stellar
(5,644 posts)...and I was trying to figure out how that works.
Duppers
(28,132 posts)Thank you for posting this!
I'm sending it out with the inclusion that immigrants do pay taxes.
lark
(23,191 posts)Started with Nixon and has just ramped up ever since with their own slanted propaganda network, Faux.