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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:40 AM Oct 2016

Trump tweeting this AM: "...there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day."

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Of course there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day. Why do Republican leaders deny what is going on? So naive!

He is doubling down on this claim.
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Trump tweeting this AM: "...there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day." (Original Post) oberliner Oct 2016 OP
Classic Goebbels. BSdetect Oct 2016 #1
very true heaven05 Oct 2016 #37
Only if his campaign and supporter are doing it. liberal N proud Oct 2016 #2
Why would completed ballots be in a campaign office? Cracklin Charlie Oct 2016 #6
NOT POSSIBLE! Zoonart Oct 2016 #10
Don't be sorry. Cracklin Charlie Oct 2016 #14
It could be illegal but.... Someone could have still done it. Ugh. bettyellen Oct 2016 #20
NOT POSSIBLE! Zoonart Oct 2016 #21
In NJ you can print out blanks. Years back, people would "help" some older folks fill them out- I bettyellen Oct 2016 #23
HMMMMMMMM Zoonart Oct 2016 #25
At the time he had no position. He does now- and his electioneering is part of why. bettyellen Oct 2016 #28
LOOKED IT UP... here is the law Zoonart Oct 2016 #36
No, it is not even legal liberal N proud Oct 2016 #15
mini REICHSTAG FIRE heaven05 Oct 2016 #31
What are completed ballots doing @ the county GOP HQ? Botany Oct 2016 #8
Bingo workinclasszero Oct 2016 #44
Because it is Republicans who are doing it? Bad Thoughts Oct 2016 #3
The only fraud is Trump himself. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2016 #4
We have election fraud in America ..... not voter fraud Botany Oct 2016 #5
The fact that he keeps saying it is what matters oberliner Oct 2016 #9
60 %+ of Trump backers believe that President Obama was not born in America and is either a ..... Botany Oct 2016 #12
Voter fraud in the USA is nearly non-existent PJMcK Oct 2016 #7
The repub leaders deny it because they don't want to Cha Oct 2016 #11
Fresh from the bunker ... mentality of a LOSER. Coyotl Oct 2016 #13
Yup! Right out of the Bunker .... Hitler's last picture Botany Oct 2016 #19
Very insulting to USA vlyons Oct 2016 #16
^^^THIS^^^ liberalmuse Oct 2016 #22
He's losing. He knows he is losing. His mind can't accept that, livetohike Oct 2016 #17
He is also accusing Joe Biden of groping women oberliner Oct 2016 #26
Ridiculous. Trump should be committed to the nearest psych livetohike Oct 2016 #27
IMO, touching someone's shoulders is much different than reaching under their dress woodsprite Oct 2016 #34
If he were winning, would he think there is voter fraud? n/t patricia92243 Oct 2016 #18
Yes, he would oberliner Oct 2016 #30
Does he know republicans are perpetrating it with their election law changes? Renew Deal Oct 2016 #24
all he/they are trying to do heaven05 Oct 2016 #29
He has to double and triple down... HAS TO... tRump is poised to receive... Raster Oct 2016 #32
What does he do after he loses? oberliner Oct 2016 #33
well, he's a classic narcissist with obvious psychopathic overtones... Raster Oct 2016 #38
Where, Golden Toad? What cities, counties, jurisdictions? What is the nature of the fraud? hatrack Oct 2016 #35
Rudy G said "inner cities" oberliner Oct 2016 #39
Yes, but the Blah People have all been killed in the 24/7 bullet-storm . . . hatrack Oct 2016 #40
Known Trump Pussy Grabs: 11 * Known Voter Fraud Cases: 10 Coyotl Oct 2016 #41
Are there really 11 now? BlueProgressive Oct 2016 #49
Running tally of accounts re: women Trump has sexually assaulted (12 and counting) Coyotl Oct 2016 #50
It might make more sense if he could give a specific on how this is sinkingfeeling Oct 2016 #42
He's done that oberliner Oct 2016 #43
Except neither can be done. I want his proof. sinkingfeeling Oct 2016 #45
Trump is right...there is a large voter fraud in this election...AND NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #46
I agree...and I made sure I did Early Voting.. HipChick Oct 2016 #47
TRUMP IS RIGHT!!!!! BlueProgressive Oct 2016 #48
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
37. very true
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 09:04 AM
Oct 2016

Last edited Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:12 PM - Edit history (1)

they besides following the altright conspiracy handbook, are also following the early nazi handdbook to create doubt and confusion. Couple that with their pathetic attempts to have us fear their 'brownshirt' open carry cowards and they are miscalculating and are setting themselves to get blowback that will make a Catagory 5 hurricane feel like a minor windy day. That blowback will be determined by people in long lines refuting, hate, bigotry, racism, misogyny, zenophobia and ignorance.

They are fucking cowards carrying guns openly to instill fear but they can't understand that they are messing with decent critical thinking americans that won't take their shit. We for the last almost 8 years have had relative peace, an expansion of jobs, a good start on affordable national health care and we are not dealing with a major economic Depressiopn or recession. Nor is there a loss or lack of general pride in ones country, yes there are areas to be worked on, but they do not pose a problem large enough to take ones mind off of the dangers of the new nazi party posed by their leadership and fuhrer.

People show courage please. I will, barring my natural death, I'm 68, will be out bright and early, or maybe I'll let these nazi couch potatoes get organized and out their caves and do it early or late afternoon, but goddamit I will be at my polling place. STANDUPTOTHESECLOWNS!!!!

liberal N proud

(60,216 posts)
2. Only if his campaign and supporter are doing it.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:43 AM
Oct 2016

NC GOP party rep says "completed absentee ballots may have been destroyed" in firebombing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512515452

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
6. Why would completed ballots be in a campaign office?
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:47 AM
Oct 2016

Is that proper storage of completed ballots?

Sounds highly unlikely.

Zoonart

(11,542 posts)
10. NOT POSSIBLE!
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:50 AM
Oct 2016

Sorry for the reposts, but I am dropping this into every conversation of this I find. I have direct experience with the handling of absentee ballots and the counting of election day returns

There is ZERO chance of absentee ballots or any other ballots being in a field office. Absentee ballots are sent into and handled by the County Board of Election at the County Court House Building , wherever that may be in relation to any field office in the country. I know this because I used to work for the CBOE in New Jersey.

So... not only is that bullshit... it is ignorant bullshit and no anyone who has ever worked an election would know that.

So... claiming there were ballots in the office is a YUGE signal to me that this is a false flag intended to whip up a base ignorant of how ballots are actually collected and counted. It is also symptomatic of the lazy and complicit media, who almost certainly know better.

Zoonart

(11,542 posts)
21. NOT POSSIBLE!
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:09 AM
Oct 2016

Absentee ballots are not filled out in person. They are requested by mail and delivered back to the BOE by mail. There is no such thing as a walk-in absentee ballot.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. In NJ you can print out blanks. Years back, people would "help" some older folks fill them out- I
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:13 AM
Oct 2016

Know a person who went to the hospital and got people to fill them out. Then somewhere between that and the mailbox someone would count them. He'd get credit for doing it with higher ups. But then again this town was the last great text book case of voter fraud in the country. Literally in law school text books.

Zoonart

(11,542 posts)
25. HMMMMMMMM
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:21 AM
Oct 2016

Never heard of this, but if it were done that way to reach out to the elderly in nursing homes,
he would had to have been employed by the county, for purposes of accountability.
In this case we are talking about a candidates field office- having nothing to do with the government and federal election processes and THATt is an impossibility.
If anyone is printing out ballots and distributing them through a candidates field office they are going to jail.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
28. At the time he had no position. He does now- and his electioneering is part of why.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:26 AM
Oct 2016

He filled out ones for people who could not write or speak. I'm certain he only turned in ones voting a certain way too. This town also pressured teachers into making GOTV calls from their offices. Had people in large buildings throwing bulk mail in the garbage. It's a mess.

Zoonart

(11,542 posts)
36. LOOKED IT UP... here is the law
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 09:00 AM
Oct 2016

SECTION 7-13-771. Voting by handicapped and elderly electors who cannot enter the polling place or cannot stand in line to vote.

(A) Any elector who, because of physical handicap or age, cannot enter the polling place in the precinct in which he is registered to vote, or is unable to stand in line to vote, may vote outside that polling place in the closest available parking area utilizing the vehicle in which he has been driven, or has driven to the polls.

(B) When the managers are informed that a handicapped or elderly voter cannot enter the polling place or cannot stand in line to vote, the voter's identification required by Section 7-13-710 must be presented to the managers who must verify that the voter is eligible to vote. Upon verification of the voter's eligibility, two managers shall take the poll list and the voter's ballot to the voter in his vehicle outside the polling place. The managers shall notify any poll watchers present who, at their discretion, may accompany the managers as observers. Where the polling place uses machines for the purposes of voting, the poll managers must use the ballots provided under Sections 7-13-1470 or 7-13-1870 for those voters who cannot enter the polling place.

(C) No person other than the voter is permitted in the vehicle in which the voter is casting his ballot unless the voter is entitled to assistance as provided in Section 7-13-770.

(D) After the voter has voted his ballot, he must fold it so that the secrecy of the ballot is preserved and return it to the managers waiting outside the vehicle. The managers shall carry the ballot to the ballot box, taking care not to violate the secrecy of the ballot, and after detaching the stub, deposit the ballot in the ballot box.

HISTORY: 1986 Act No. 407, Section 1, eff May 12, 1986.

SECTION 7-13-780. Designation of voters who may receive assistance.

Only those persons who are unable to read or write or who are physically unable or incapacitated from preparing a ballot or voting shall be entitled to receive assistance of any kind in voting.


No other provisions are made under the law. Any other elderly or infirm voter must request a mail in ballot. Now... if this guy was sent by a particular party to "Help" these folks fill in their ballots... then that is voter fraud.

Botany

(70,034 posts)
8. What are completed ballots doing @ the county GOP HQ?
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:49 AM
Oct 2016

The ballots should be in three places

1) In the mail either coming or going

2) With the voter

3) @ the County BOE

This does not pass my smell test.

Botany

(70,034 posts)
5. We have election fraud in America ..... not voter fraud
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:46 AM
Oct 2016

Don is gonna get somebody or a group of people killed, hurt, and or in jail pushing
this crap.

Cha

(294,345 posts)
11. The repub leaders deny it because they don't want to
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:52 AM
Oct 2016

advertise their voter fraud. thanks trump lol

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
13. Fresh from the bunker ... mentality of a LOSER.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:54 AM
Oct 2016

Trump is not only paranoid, but he is turning himself into a laughing stock for the whole world. Sadly, this behavior fits incipient dementia rather perfectly. Donald is now irrational.

Botany

(70,034 posts)
19. Yup! Right out of the Bunker .... Hitler's last picture
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:01 AM
Oct 2016


Bombed out Berlin outside his bunker as the Soviet troops close in.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
16. Very insulting to USA
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:56 AM
Oct 2016

People around the world are following this election. Governments not so friendly to us are reporting about it. When Trump repeatedly makes claims that our elections are rigged, it reflects badly on the USA. People around the world will believe his claims. This is insulting and damaging to the honor and prestige of our country. Not that Donald Trump gives a rat's raw ass about his country.

Telling lies, spreading false rumors is very bad karma and harmful, because it increases the delusion and confusion in others. And shame on the MSM for repeating and spreading this claim.

livetohike

(21,988 posts)
27. Ridiculous. Trump should be committed to the nearest psych
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:25 AM
Oct 2016

ward. Anyone who thinks Trump is mentally stable is in need of help too.

woodsprite

(11,797 posts)
34. IMO, touching someone's shoulders is much different than reaching under their dress
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:48 AM
Oct 2016

or grabbing their crotch.

I'd even say that what GW did to Merkel was more acceptable than a crotch grab. Not that it was right, but even I can't imaging George grabbing someone's crotch, even if he was sloshed.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
30. Yes, he would
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:27 AM
Oct 2016

And he would say that he won in spite of the fraud.

That's basically what he said with the primaries (that it was rigged against him, but he won anyway).

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
29. all he/they are trying to do
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:26 AM
Oct 2016

is suppress voter turnout by making people afraid to actually vote Nov 8. It is an obvious strategy that mark my words, WILL FAIL!!!!! Only those walking around with their guns showing trying to intimidate Americans into not voting are the real cowards of this society and WE AREN'T!!!!!!

Raster

(20,996 posts)
32. He has to double and triple down... HAS TO... tRump is poised to receive...
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:42 AM
Oct 2016

...a MASSIVE electoral ass kicking... the only way he can rationalize this epic loss to his "followers" is that somehow they've been cheated, and that dark forces are working against them. He really has no other options, unless he wants to come clean and own up to all his crap, produce his tax returns and explain his ties to Putin and Russia. And we know, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
33. What does he do after he loses?
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:45 AM
Oct 2016

And his followers?

Assuming they (and he) all believe that the election was stolen from them via cheating.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
38. well, he's a classic narcissist with obvious psychopathic overtones...
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 09:41 AM
Oct 2016

...in other words, about as loose of a cannon as they come. Don't forget the allegations of him raping a 13-year old, plus the current sexual battery allegations, with more to come...

The only thing tRump had/has of any value is his tRump brand, which has taken a severe beating this election cycle. He's going to have to do something to recharge and rejuvenate the brand. As fate would have it, serial sexual abuser and noted misogynist pig, Roger <spit> Ailes, the pudgy Viper himself, has just been sent packing by the Murdoch boys, who always despised Ailes and his brand of "news." That set of circumstances certainly lends itself to business opportunity in the guise of a tRump News Network aimed specifically at the type of voter tRump attracts: heavy on conspiracy, heavy on situational pity and ultra-low on actual, non-biased information. Picture Faux News with HEAVY Alex Jones overtones, and just the right amount of Breitbart thrown in for good measure. They'll already have their first eight years in the tank with their "All Hillary All HATE, 24/7."

As for his followers and the claims of cheating: Overall, that's a GOP problem. They created it, they nurtured it, they own it. The GOP needs to repudiate the claims of electoral fraud in the strongest, clearest terms, with absolutely no mixed message. There are many good people in the GOP, principled people, people who truly do love this country and realize the madman they facilitated would wantonly destroy America, if it put money in his pocket.

hatrack

(59,187 posts)
35. Where, Golden Toad? What cities, counties, jurisdictions? What is the nature of the fraud?
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:57 AM
Oct 2016

Do you have witnesses? Do you have evidence? Do you have sworn affidavits?

If not, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
41. Known Trump Pussy Grabs: 11 * Known Voter Fraud Cases: 10
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 11:54 AM
Oct 2016
Trump's pivot: Look how crazy I am instead of talking about my sex crimes.

sinkingfeeling

(50,925 posts)
42. It might make more sense if he could give a specific on how this is
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:30 PM
Oct 2016

being done? The only questionable thing I've heard about is the GOP claim that completed absentee ballots were destroyed in their burnt office.

 

BlueProgressive

(229 posts)
48. TRUMP IS RIGHT!!!!!
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:15 PM
Oct 2016

There MUST be voter fraud---


there can't possibly be that many people
actually voting for HIM.

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