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Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:03 AM

Witness: Trump also raped 12-year-old — and used her disappearance to threaten another victim

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She claims in the documents that she personally witnessed the girl being forced to engage in various sex acts with Trump and Epstein, who she said were aware of her age.

“I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop,” Tiffany Doe alleges.

Tiffany Doe said she also witnessed Trump forcing Jane Doe and a 12-year-old girl identified as “Maria” to perform oral sex on him and then physically abuse both of them afterward.

The woman said her job duties required her to “personally witness and supervise encounters between the underage girls that Mr. Epstein hired and his guests,” according to court documents.

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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/witness-trump-also-raped-12-year-old-and-used-her-disappearance-to-threaten-another-victim/

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Reply Witness: Trump also raped 12-year-old — and used her disappearance to threaten another victim (Original post)
Dem2 Nov 2016 OP
Johnny2X2X Nov 2016 #1
Coyotl Nov 2016 #8
EL34x4 Nov 2016 #13
Coyotl Nov 2016 #15
NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #10
Johnny2X2X Nov 2016 #11
Native Nov 2016 #17
Johnny2X2X Nov 2016 #19
Native Nov 2016 #20
TrekLuver Nov 2016 #22
C Moon Nov 2016 #28
Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #2
EL34x4 Nov 2016 #3
Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #4
Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #23
Dem2 Nov 2016 #5
jberryhill Nov 2016 #25
Dem2 Nov 2016 #26
jberryhill Nov 2016 #27
Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #6
jberryhill Nov 2016 #21
RexCasual Nov 2016 #7
OnDoutside Nov 2016 #9
meadowlark5 Nov 2016 #12
EL34x4 Nov 2016 #16
Separation Nov 2016 #34
brooklynite Nov 2016 #37
EL34x4 Nov 2016 #38
DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #40
EL34x4 Nov 2016 #41
Hortensis Nov 2016 #14
Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #18
Hortensis Nov 2016 #24
Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #31
Hortensis Nov 2016 #39
Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #45
Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #36
jberryhill Nov 2016 #42
Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #43
Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #29
stone space Nov 2016 #30
DeminPennswoods Nov 2016 #32
SunSeeker Nov 2016 #33
CRH Nov 2016 #35
Kentonio Nov 2016 #44

Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:11 AM

1. Wow

How this child rape story has not even been on the media's radar when it's heading to court next month is beyond me.

A Presidential candidate is accused of multiple counts of child rape. That is insane.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:31 AM

8. Chronology: a person accused of child rape is nominated by the Republican party.

 

Let that sink in for a while!

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl
A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016 and refiled in New York in June 2016.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:56 AM

13. A person accused by a former Jerry Springer Show producer...

 

...with a long history of making outlandish accusations against celebrities has accused the GOP Presidential nominee, a billionaire who has been a celebrity for the past 30+ years of raping a 13-year old 22 years ago. And for a million bucks, a publicist for the alleged victim will tell you her story.

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:58 AM

15. The accuser is a woman claiming she was raped by Donald Trump. Show some respect.

 

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:34 AM

10. Since it's a civil case and not criminal they really can't yet

 

The plaintiff and witness are both anonymous and have not publicly come forward. The case is still just an accusation and no judgement has been rendered. This makes it too murky of waters for mainstream media. It's lawsuit bait and they can't corroborate the story at all. IF these were criminal charges then they would be reporting it because those kinds of cases need to go through official investigative channels before it gets to the court docket. That's the difference.

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Response to NoGoodNamesLeft (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:37 AM

11. Not true

The plaintiff's name is public.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:28 AM

17. What is it then?

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Response to Native (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:35 AM

19. Katie Johnson

Names been public from the get go, she's not hiding from anyone.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:45 AM

20. I read that "Katie Johnson" was an alias.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:07 PM

22. I heard a couple of surrogates start to bring this up.

 

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:36 PM

28. Because it would obliterate the race and the media would lose millions.

Mainstream media in the US just sux.
grrrr!

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:11 AM

2. I remember that she was threatened by Trump that she could be disappeared like Maria

 

Read that statement a month or so ago! Thought that was strange!

What happened to Maria? Was she shipped to another country... or worse?

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:11 AM

3. "Trump is due to appear in federal court Dec. 16..."

 

Stopped reading right there.

No, he's not.

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:15 AM

4. I think the Judge asked for everyone involved to actually be there!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:09 PM

23. The complaint has not yet been served on Trump.

Service is the formal way a court gains the ability to order cooperation. The plaintiffs are responsible for serving Trump - and have not done so yet. The court has no power over Trump until he is actually served.

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:22 AM

5. So the fact that he may have raped several little girls is irrelevant

Due to the lawyers representing DTJ are going into court versus Trump himself?



You seem to object?

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:14 PM

25. Neither Trump nor his lawyers are required to appear

 


Because you'll notice that the order requires the Plaintiff to serve that order on the defendant and file a proof of service with the ECF (electronic case filing) system.

Notice the absence of the suit or the order being served by the Plaintiff:

http://ia801506.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.docket.html

And, yes, I check that docket daily.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:19 PM

26. I guess we'll see

I was surprised to find out that there are supposedly corroborating witnesses - seems like it would be a big deal if these people were to tell their stories, assuming everything happened as they describe in the article.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:22 PM

27. The witnesses are likewise anonymous

 

In order to contact any of them, you have to write a check to a former Jerry Springer producer.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:24 AM

6. You do know that is common language for parties in a case, right?

 

That he may or may not be there physically doesn't change the legal language.

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Response to Goblinmonger (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:05 PM

21. It also doesn't change the requirement - in the order - to serve it on the other side and file proof

 

Do you see the last sentence in the order?

Plaintiff is ordered to serve Defendants with a copy of this order and to file an affidavit on ECF certifying that such service has been effectuated.

Do you see any affidavit of service on the docket:

http://ia801506.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.docket.html

Neither the lawsuit, nor the October 4 order, have been served on the defendant. Neither the defendant nor his attorneys are required to be anywhere on December 16.

Why might you suppose the plaintiff has not complied with the October 4 order?

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:30 AM

7. Comey's FBI probably has a large file full of evidence on this case. . .

But wont release it because they don't want to impact the vote this close to the election. In the meantime, here's an e-mail nothingburger for you to chew on.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:34 AM

9. "then physically abuse both of them afterward" Doesn't sticking his

c**k in their mouth count as physical abuse too ?

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:49 AM

12. I don't understand why the cable news isn't picking up on this

They seem to only focus on Trump when there is some salacious story. Russia conenctions :meh: Tax returns that could prove Russia connections :meh:

But sex and Trump seems to sell so this confuses me. Tiffany Doe is describing some really tantalizing details the news should love. They loved "grab 'em by the pussy", now we're talking oral sex by a minor? Anderson Cooper interviewed several accusers that had less validity than this civil suit but not a mention.

EMAILS!!!!!!

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:12 AM

16. I don't understand why Hillary Clinton isn't shouting this from the rooftops!

 

Or at least someone on her campaign team.

She's never had any other problems discussing the horrible, sexist treatment of women that Trump has partaken in yet here we have allegations that Donald J. Trump, the GOP nominee for President, her primary opponent in a close race for the highest office in the land, VIOLENTLY RAPES PRE-TEEN GIRLS!!!

And from her campaign? Crickets...

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 01:25 PM

34. That in itself should speak volumes.

My guess is that something about the whole suit is bogus.

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:46 PM

37. You have evidence that she can cite?

An actual victim she can point to?

Or should she attack Trump based on third Party claims about an anonymous plaintiff who couldn't get criminal charges filed?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 06:13 PM

38. Evidence? Victims? Who needs those?

 

It's the seriousness of the allegations that matter!

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 06:45 PM

40. Epstein is why

Epstein is a convicted child sex abuser and must register as a sex offender. But, he's also rich and famous. As I understand it, Bill Clinton knew him and solicited donations to the Clinton Foundation from him. He also apparently traveled with Epstein and entourage on occassion. You're not hearing Hillary or her camp talking about the case because Bill certainly would be dragged into it regardless.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #40)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 06:49 PM

41. For the record, I think Trump is a mountain of epic shittiness

 

But I do not believe he violently rapes 12 and 13-year old girls.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 10:57 AM

14. Whoa! DU as National Inquirer?

Yes, rape accusations are SOP for SOME who dislike a controversial political figure. Fortunately for us all, not everyone sinks to that level. Accusations without proof are exactly the kind of behavior that makes deplorables deplorable, if not outright despicable.

Maybe we should all wait for...you know, facts, information?

Please note also, there's an enormous difference between statutory rape of a willing and consenting but underage female and what's being alleged here.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 11:34 AM

18. 12 and 13 year olds can not consent.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:10 PM

24. How insightful but irrelevant. Do you approve of Bannon's

promise to "turn him" (Bill Clinton) "into Bill Cosby" by spreading these kinds of smears?

Strictly as a tactical and vengeful political move for him personally, of course. It's a bit different because Bannon didn't promise to decide to believe it himself.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:49 PM

31. I don't think this is the Clinton campaign discussing things here-- it's Democratic *Underground*

 

Talking about this is fair game, especially if it's in Rawstory

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 06:37 PM

39. Fast Walker--huh? Clinton campaign has nothing to do with

people here eagerly snatching at and spreading these filthy, unsubstantiated stories. This conversation is ALL about DU and what kind of a community we are. A mirror of the worst of the right wing or honest, no better, or decent, responsible citizens?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #39)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 09:18 PM

45. did you see the video that came out of the accuser telling her? It seems reasonably substantiated

 

at this point...

And it certainly fits in with other evidence... it's hardly out of the blue.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 05:29 PM

36. I saw that done here during the primary by Democratic posters.

However, Bill Clinton is not on the ticket and is not being sued. I have heard there are pictures of Trump with this girl in a bed...if this is true...then he is a rapist...I don't care if she took her clothes off and and begged for it...a 12 or 13 year old girl can not consent. But this was a forced sex ring from what I have heard and any involved should be prosecuted. I don't believe Bill Clinton was involved by the way..didn't believe it when it was posted here during the primaries. But Trump...it may be true...he walked in on 15 year olds on the Junior Miss America contest...this we know.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 08:10 PM

42. Where have you heard about these photographs

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 08:16 PM

43. My kids and other campaign volunteers I don't know if they really exist....that is why I said if...

I have googled it and have not found anything...but if he really forced himself on basically a child held against her will then he needs to go to jail.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:47 PM

29. Tiffany Doe? That's an odd choice for a pseudonym

 

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:48 PM

30. The National Rapist Association needs to withdraw their endorsement.

 

This is not the kind of person who we want trying to shoot his way into the Presidency over the will of the voters.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:50 PM

32. Lisa Bloom's take

Lisa Bloom wrote this earlier in the year, but it's informative: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:56 PM

33. K & R for exposure.

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Response to Dem2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 01:36 PM

35. The US has become a very sick, litigious society, ...

where after criminal statute of limitations has passed, witnesses who helped foment and hide underage pedophile rape can become witnesses without recrimination in a civil suit, that no doubt would pay them well.

From the article:

Both witnesses say they worked as “party planners” for billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who paid them to “attract adolescent women” to events he hosted at the Wexner Mansion in New York.

Tiffany Doe says in court documents that she lured Jane Doe to a party with the promise of money and meeting contacts in the modeling industry.

She claims in the documents that she personally witnessed the girl being forced to engage in various sex acts with Trump and Epstein, who she said were aware of her age.

“I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop,” Tiffany Doe alleges.


My disgust does not stop at Trump and Epstein if these allegations are true. Those witnesses are now worried for their safety. They should be worried for their soul. They may as well helped out the accused with sex toys after sending their solicitations to slaughter.

edit: deleted a paragraph for error in a 'change of venue'. The suit was re filed in the state of the alleged crime.

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Response to CRH (Reply #35)

Tue Nov 1, 2016, 08:31 PM

44. In fairness..

 

We don't know what kind of duress the woman was under at the time. Her allegedly being told both her and her family would be killed if she spoke out, suggests she wasn't exactly a completely willing accomplice.

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