2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWitness: Trump also raped 12-year-old — and used her disappearance to threaten another victim
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She claims in the documents that she personally witnessed the girl being forced to engage in various sex acts with Trump and Epstein, who she said were aware of her age.
I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop, Tiffany Doe alleges.
Tiffany Doe said she also witnessed Trump forcing Jane Doe and a 12-year-old girl identified as Maria to perform oral sex on him and then physically abuse both of them afterward.
The woman said her job duties required her to personally witness and supervise encounters between the underage girls that Mr. Epstein hired and his guests, according to court documents.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/witness-trump-also-raped-12-year-old-and-used-her-disappearance-to-threaten-another-victim/
How this child rape story has not even been on the media's radar when it's heading to court next month is beyond me.
A Presidential candidate is accused of multiple counts of child rape. That is insane.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Let that sink in for a while!
Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl
A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016 and refiled in New York in June 2016.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)...with a long history of making outlandish accusations against celebrities has accused the GOP Presidential nominee, a billionaire who has been a celebrity for the past 30+ years of raping a 13-year old 22 years ago. And for a million bucks, a publicist for the alleged victim will tell you her story.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)The plaintiff and witness are both anonymous and have not publicly come forward. The case is still just an accusation and no judgement has been rendered. This makes it too murky of waters for mainstream media. It's lawsuit bait and they can't corroborate the story at all. IF these were criminal charges then they would be reporting it because those kinds of cases need to go through official investigative channels before it gets to the court docket. That's the difference.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)The plaintiff's name is public.
Native
(5,942 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Names been public from the get go, she's not hiding from anyone.
Native
(5,942 posts)TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)Mainstream media in the US just sux.
grrrr!
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Read that statement a month or so ago! Thought that was strange!
What happened to Maria? Was she shipped to another country... or worse?
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Stopped reading right there.
No, he's not.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Service is the formal way a court gains the ability to order cooperation. The plaintiffs are responsible for serving Trump - and have not done so yet. The court has no power over Trump until he is actually served.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Due to the lawyers representing DTJ are going into court versus Trump himself?
You seem to object?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because you'll notice that the order requires the Plaintiff to serve that order on the defendant and file a proof of service with the ECF (electronic case filing) system.
Notice the absence of the suit or the order being served by the Plaintiff:
http://ia801506.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.docket.html
And, yes, I check that docket daily.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I was surprised to find out that there are supposedly corroborating witnesses - seems like it would be a big deal if these people were to tell their stories, assuming everything happened as they describe in the article.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)In order to contact any of them, you have to write a check to a former Jerry Springer producer.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)That he may or may not be there physically doesn't change the legal language.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Do you see the last sentence in the order?
Plaintiff is ordered to serve Defendants with a copy of this order and to file an affidavit on ECF certifying that such service has been effectuated.
Do you see any affidavit of service on the docket:
http://ia801506.us.archive.org/34/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.docket.html
Neither the lawsuit, nor the October 4 order, have been served on the defendant. Neither the defendant nor his attorneys are required to be anywhere on December 16.
Why might you suppose the plaintiff has not complied with the October 4 order?
RexCasual
(171 posts)But wont release it because they don't want to impact the vote this close to the election. In the meantime, here's an e-mail nothingburger for you to chew on.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)c**k in their mouth count as physical abuse too ?
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)They seem to only focus on Trump when there is some salacious story. Russia conenctions :meh: Tax returns that could prove Russia connections :meh:
But sex and Trump seems to sell so this confuses me. Tiffany Doe is describing some really tantalizing details the news should love. They loved "grab 'em by the pussy", now we're talking oral sex by a minor? Anderson Cooper interviewed several accusers that had less validity than this civil suit but not a mention.
EMAILS!!!!!!
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Or at least someone on her campaign team.
She's never had any other problems discussing the horrible, sexist treatment of women that Trump has partaken in yet here we have allegations that Donald J. Trump, the GOP nominee for President, her primary opponent in a close race for the highest office in the land, VIOLENTLY RAPES PRE-TEEN GIRLS!!!
And from her campaign? Crickets...
Separation
(1,975 posts)My guess is that something about the whole suit is bogus.
brooklynite
(94,540 posts)An actual victim she can point to?
Or should she attack Trump based on third Party claims about an anonymous plaintiff who couldn't get criminal charges filed?
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)It's the seriousness of the allegations that matter!
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Epstein is a convicted child sex abuser and must register as a sex offender. But, he's also rich and famous. As I understand it, Bill Clinton knew him and solicited donations to the Clinton Foundation from him. He also apparently traveled with Epstein and entourage on occassion. You're not hearing Hillary or her camp talking about the case because Bill certainly would be dragged into it regardless.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)But I do not believe he violently rapes 12 and 13-year old girls.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Yes, rape accusations are SOP for SOME who dislike a controversial political figure. Fortunately for us all, not everyone sinks to that level. Accusations without proof are exactly the kind of behavior that makes deplorables deplorable, if not outright despicable.
Maybe we should all wait for...you know, facts, information?
Please note also, there's an enormous difference between statutory rape of a willing and consenting but underage female and what's being alleged here.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)promise to "turn him" (Bill Clinton) "into Bill Cosby" by spreading these kinds of smears?
Strictly as a tactical and vengeful political move for him personally, of course. It's a bit different because Bannon didn't promise to decide to believe it himself.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Talking about this is fair game, especially if it's in Rawstory
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)people here eagerly snatching at and spreading these filthy, unsubstantiated stories. This conversation is ALL about DU and what kind of a community we are. A mirror of the worst of the right wing or honest, no better, or decent, responsible citizens?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)at this point...
And it certainly fits in with other evidence... it's hardly out of the blue.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)However, Bill Clinton is not on the ticket and is not being sued. I have heard there are pictures of Trump with this girl in a bed...if this is true...then he is a rapist...I don't care if she took her clothes off and and begged for it...a 12 or 13 year old girl can not consent. But this was a forced sex ring from what I have heard and any involved should be prosecuted. I don't believe Bill Clinton was involved by the way..didn't believe it when it was posted here during the primaries. But Trump...it may be true...he walked in on 15 year olds on the Junior Miss America contest...this we know.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)I have googled it and have not found anything...but if he really forced himself on basically a child held against her will then he needs to go to jail.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)This is not the kind of person who we want trying to shoot his way into the Presidency over the will of the voters.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Lisa Bloom wrote this earlier in the year, but it's informative: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)CRH
(1,553 posts)where after criminal statute of limitations has passed, witnesses who helped foment and hide underage pedophile rape can become witnesses without recrimination in a civil suit, that no doubt would pay them well.
From the article:
Both witnesses say they worked as party planners for billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who paid them to attract adolescent women to events he hosted at the Wexner Mansion in New York.
Tiffany Doe says in court documents that she lured Jane Doe to a party with the promise of money and meeting contacts in the modeling industry.
She claims in the documents that she personally witnessed the girl being forced to engage in various sex acts with Trump and Epstein, who she said were aware of her age.
I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop, Tiffany Doe alleges.
My disgust does not stop at Trump and Epstein if these allegations are true. Those witnesses are now worried for their safety. They should be worried for their soul. They may as well helped out the accused with sex toys after sending their solicitations to slaughter.
edit: deleted a paragraph for error in a 'change of venue'. The suit was re filed in the state of the alleged crime.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)We don't know what kind of duress the woman was under at the time. Her allegedly being told both her and her family would be killed if she spoke out, suggests she wasn't exactly a completely willing accomplice.