2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum***Jon Ralston's NV update this morning: "Trump is dead. GOP in big trouble"***
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/794905326642302976Jon Ralston
?@RalstonReports
Final (almost) NV early #s are in:
Trump is dead.
GOP in big trouble in #nvsen, two House seats and #nvleg control.
http://www.ktnv.com/news/ralston/the-nevada-early-voting-blog
Trump's path was nearly impossible, as I have been telling you, before what happened in Clark County on Friday. But now he needs a Miracle in Vegas on Election Day -- and a Buffalo Bills Super Bowl championship is more likely -- to turn this around. The ripple effect down the ticket probably will cost the Republicans Harry Reid's Senate seat, two GOP House seats and control of the Legislature.
How devastating was it, epitomized by thousands of mostly Latino voters keeping Cardenas market open open in Vegas until 10 PM? This cataclysmic:
----The Democrats won Clark County by more than 11,000 votes Friday (final mail count not posted yet), a record margin on a record-setting turnout day of 57,000 voters. The Dems now have a firewall -- approaching 73,000 ballots -- greater than 2012 when Barack Obama won the state by nearly 7 points. The 71,000 of 2012 was slightly higher in percentage terms, but raw votes matter. The lead is 14 percentage points -- right at registration. You know what else matters? Registration advantages (142,000 in Clark). Reminder: When the Clark votes were counted from early/mail voting in 2012, Obama had a 69,000 vote lead in Clark County. Game over.
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rollin74
(1,985 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Nevada has picked the winner of every presidential election from 1964 onwards.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)An Alabama win has preceded a Democratic Presidential win in election years.
Last night, 10-0 Bama. Roll Tide!! (If I hadn't heard that before the game, I would not have cared about two southern Red State teams.)
randome
(34,845 posts)"Donald Trump and the GOP's incompetence during this election should give us all pause for the future. This country works best with more than one option for political parties. We implore the GOP to get its act together so we can keep true to the spirit of Democracy."
Or words to that effect.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)together, the Democratic Party has to take over.
Gore1FL
(21,141 posts)Beartracks
(12,820 posts)That actually have mutual respect for eachother.
An American can dream, can't he?
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Wounded Bear
(58,677 posts)I've been called a blind partisan in other venues for years because of my firm anti-Repub stance. Mostly, it comes from so-called independents who generally voted straight Repub. I'm not really a yellow dog Democrat, and I kind of don't like the idea of blind party loyalty. That too often leads to the kind of crap that Repubs are going through now.
Yes, I voted all blue this election cycle, but I wouldn't mind getting to a time when I actually could hear two intelligent sides to discussions of our problems and suggested solutions. The Repubs have offered none of that for years. I'm not sure I will see it in my lifetime, I don't have that many years left.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)as that second party?
randome
(34,845 posts)If anyone at the RNC has a smidgen of political awareness, they know that paying attention to the needs of Hispanics and minorities is the only way to build a winning coalition now that the old white man demographic is dying out.
Yet they threw away their own 'postmortem' about how to do that. It boggles the mind sometimes. It's like they prefer to live in the gutter, where they are now.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Across the range of political ideas. Having two large, obese, unresponsive, and often co-opted parties is bad enough. But when one of them is hijacked by TeaBaggers, and the other is afraid of its own shadow, the two party system simply does not work.
More parties would free up people to vote their conscience, it would allow politicians to make deals - which is the whole purpose of political activity. horsetrading. Deal making. Compromise.
The system is not working and it has been stifled by design. That cannot last.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,871 posts)And that might work out just fine for state legislatures and for the House and Senate. But given the way the President is elected, not by popular vote, not by the person who is head of the party that can put together a coalition in the House and Senate, but indirectly via the Electoral College, we'd be guaranteed a genuinely minority President, which would make it almost impossible for that person to lead the country.
We don't have a parliamentary system as does all of Europe.
What we do need is a much stronger Left in this country.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)We do not have leaders with enough spine. But, as bernie showed the world, the interest is there and the conservobots are losing numbers. Especially the ultra-christian bible beating bastards. Churches are empty. Donations are down. There is almost no mega church construction these days.
The future is ours, assuming that the fascists don't burn our country down first.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,871 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 5, 2016, 10:30 PM - Edit history (1)
Dim spell cvecher
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,871 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Demsrule86
(68,631 posts)It is so much nonsense...multiple parties keeps conservatives in power...think about it. Look at Europe. We would end up being run by a government elected by a small minority of Americans...always was a bad idea.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have a share of power frequently betray their members.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Have the House by the throat.
How is that different?
Demsrule86
(68,631 posts)How about you realize (and others) that every bit of progressive policy came from the Democrats...how about we support Democrats in all elections.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,027 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,090 posts)NV, FL, IA, AZ, NC, OH, and NV are all must win states for aTrump.
... Western Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, Netherlands, Austria, Denmark, Belgium, Yugoslavia, Luxembourg, Greece, Norway, and a bit of Russia (until it snows).
calimary
(81,389 posts)I would assume Donald's got a lock on Russia. Or, rather, they've got a lock on him.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Cha
(297,446 posts)That was before the sleeping giant woke up and Latinos went out en masse to vote for Hillary and Catherine Cortez Masto!
Did trump campaign much in Nevada.. anyone know?
Aloha, BlueCali
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)seat. NO WAY will he allow his seat to go Republican! He didn't in 2010 when M$M polls showed him with double digits behind "barter-with-chickens-for-health-care-needs" Angle. In the end, he won his seat with 50.3% of the vote.
I've been saying it for some time now: Latino Americans are rescuing this country - and us - from a Trumpanzee presidency and a Republican takeover of our Gov't. Their motive for doing so is purely out of anger toward Trump for his racist proclamations about Mexicans and other Latinos, but that's a-okay with me!
Aloha, Cha!
Did trump campaign much in Nevada.. anyone know?
I know he is campaigning in NV today, but I don't know if he's done much before.
Cha
(297,446 posts)http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/22/republicans-turmoil-trump-abruptly-cancels-campaign-events-states.html
mobeau69
(11,149 posts)Cha
(297,446 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)congressional seats!
But it's GOOD NEWS for us! WoooHOOOOO!
Cha
(297,446 posts)canceled.
Then there's this.. I remember now about the way he pronounced "Nevada"
Donald Trump Screws Up Pronunciation Of Nevada At Campaign Rally In Reno
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/05/donald-trump-screws-pronunciation-nevada-campaign-rally-reno.html
And, then there's THIS!
Why Donald Trump is betting on Nevada
Las Vegas (CNN) Donald Trump returns to Nevada Wednesday for the final presidential debate in a state that is critical to his path to the White House -- and one where he has remained tied with Hillary Clinton despite all the turmoil rocking his campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/nevada-2016-election-results/
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Thanks for that tasty tidbit Cha!
Cha
(297,446 posts)then there's this.. I remember now about the way he pronounced "Nevada"
Donald Trump Screws Up Pronunciation Of Nevada At Campaign Rally In Reno
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/05/donald-trump-screws-pronunciation-nevada-campaign-rally-reno.html
And, then there's THIS!
Why Donald Trump is betting on Nevada
Las Vegas (CNN) Donald Trump returns to Nevada Wednesday for the final presidential debate in a state that is critical to his path to the White House -- and one where he has remained tied with Hillary Clinton despite all the turmoil rocking his campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/nevada-2016-election-results/
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)If there are any states that have been completely out-of-reach for him from Day One, all three Pacific coast states would surely qualify.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Correctly. Then told them they were wrong!
Cha
(297,446 posts)http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/05/donald-trump-screws-pronunciation-nevada-campaign-rally-reno.html
Demsrule86
(68,631 posts)You are awesome.
aaaaaa5a
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With this map I give Trump all of the battle-ground states including New Hampshire. I also give him Maine's rural congressional district and the Omaha congressional district in Nebraska.
Even under this extreme *best case scenario* for Trump, he still comes up short. With this firewall in Nevada, once Pennsylvania is called for Clinton Tuesday night, the election is over.
Go ahead and try. Please, anyone give me a realistic path to 270 for Trump without Nevada. Even Trump victories in FL, OH, NC and NH will not be enough.
Foggyhill
(1,060 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Remember Romney in the last days of the election suddenly campaigning in PA, MI, WI and even MN? Its called searching for a state because the GOP just realized they don't have enough electoral votes to win. This is now the third year in a row a GOP candidate has made a last second play for the midwest.
Secondly, the midwest states are winner take all. Hillary only has to carry WI, MI and PA by 1 vote. She has the cushion to do that.
Thirdly, this scenario assumes, HRC does NOT win NC or FL, two states where she is leading. Trump can't trade states. He must win them all.
This election is over.
Please everyone just do their part and vote.
Foggyhill
(1,060 posts)That's his only way there really, even if he wins florida and north carolina and Ohio.
He's got a decent chance for Ohio, will be close, but the Latino vote will kill him in Florida.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)You actually can see the Democratic strength across the electoral map by looking at OH. It was just a few years ago (2004, 2008) that OH was the "end all, be all" to Presidential elections. To be President you basically had to run like you were campaigning to be the Governor of OH.
Today, the blue wall is so strong, HRC can lose OH and not even break a sweat. I am amazed at the lack of emphasis on the state. Its still a must win for the GOP. But for the Dems, its just another casual battle ground state.
HRC is in a very good spot to be President of the USA.
ILFightinDem
(56 posts)Breathing easier now that I've seen that and read Ralston's accounting. He knows that state very well.
Really happy to keep Harry's seat, as well. Duckworth has ours in hand. Two to go (a little worried about WI right now).
On edit: Hey - my 50th post. Only took 12 years or so...LOL
mountain grammy
(26,640 posts)but I know this is Trump's best case scenario."
I'm singing Landslide until Tuesday.. Go Hillary!
Coventina
(27,153 posts)Bottom line, I'm a nervous wreck until Tuesday night...
Foggyhill
(1,060 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)There are a lot of guru sites that aggregate polling results. 538 isn't the only one. ALL of the other sites have HRC as the crushing favorite.
I like Sam Wang. His model has proven to be very accurate.
538 and MSNBC are celebrated here all the time. I have NEVER understood this.
ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)538 has Nevada red by 0.5%, they don't do toss up.
Pretty much the same.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)It will go Democratic.
Jon Ralston knows FAR more about Nevada politics than any of these probability gurus.
ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)Thanks!
ecstatic
(32,720 posts)Demsrule86
(68,631 posts)I love 538, but Nate Silver even admitted his analytic are off, because of polling and the fact that early voting has really put a different scope on things. Early voting and mail in voting allows the groups that may be afraid of cretinous little dicked gun toters who may show up at polls. This allowed the large Latino community to get their voices heard.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)He's certainly confident about his numbers!
tevolit
(76 posts)If Nevada Hispanic Turnout is so good, why is the Dem portion of the Early and Mail-in Vote lower than in 2012 when Hispanics make up about 30% of the Dems and only 10% of the Rep and 18% of the Others?
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Latinos are voting this year. Thank you Donald Trump.
Laf.La.Dem.
(2,944 posts)Lindalouuu
(91 posts)Are racist, crazies. I feel very sad.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)It has never been close.
Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)ananda
(28,872 posts)Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,244 posts)instead of fear and fakery
That's what HRC has done here and that's why she'll win
Send Ghouliani to his cage
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)mountain grammy
(26,640 posts)and Nevada!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Republicans did it to themselves, not ONE of them out of their entire party stood up and did the moral, right thing! They're ALL a party of losers. GOP are all "DEAD TO ME" untrustworthy, not transparent at all.
It's not just trump who was "killed", The entire Republican party suicided! and left regular Americans alone.
SunSeeker
(51,609 posts)kevink077
(365 posts)The guy built an amazing dem machine Nevada.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Buffalo Bills Super Bowl championship is more likely - Now that IS funny - coming from a Pats fan....
ffr
(22,671 posts)They're only talking about record EV turnout up north; all four M$M news outlets here. Not a word about what a devastating record turnout it was in Clark County. One has to ask themselves, why would they do that?
I suppose they don't want to piss off all their red state viewers. Better to keep them in the dark, then to rile them up over facts.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)about him. "You go, John!!!"
Lindalouuu
(91 posts)I hope it holds to be true.....! My happiness will be complete If Florida follows suit..being a Floridian, that is my hope.
icnorth
(1,015 posts)what the hell, your liberal friends north of the border thank you.
PS Even the majority of conservatives up here thank you.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)I still think Clinton will win, but keep GOTV for Tuesday, this election looks closer than it should.
Quiet_Dem_Mom
(599 posts)Is he snarky and obnoxious on occasion? Oh yea. He indulges in shit stirring once in a while.
Is he right more often than he is wrong? Yup, most definitely. As a NV voter, I appreciate his info on NV legislature/legislators. He knows his NV stuff.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)He lied, doubled down on the lie, got caught lying and was fired by PBS because of it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)duffyduff
(3,251 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Quiet_Dem_Mom
(599 posts)PBS claimed they lost donors to fund show, Ralston said they didn't like his aggressive interviewing style.
http://on.rgj.com/28VESoR
Like I said, he can be snarky and obnoxious. But he has insider NV info no one else can touch
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)The Reno gazette story is all Ralston. He needed to say something to try and save his credibility. He should have as much credibility as brietbart after A.C.O.R.N.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,236 posts)TonyPDX
(962 posts)He deserves to get something in exchange for the millions flushed down his gold-plated Nevada loo.
Quiet_Dem_Mom
(599 posts)To finance the Vegas Raiders stadium!
No flowers for Sheldy!
gademocrat7
(10,665 posts)riversedge
(70,267 posts)Thrill
(19,178 posts)Claiming him and his wife are registered Democrats voting for Trump. lol. Aldo claimed there aren't many blacks in line like 2012. lol
flying-skeleton
(698 posts)Why does Nate Silver's 538 have NV as a toss up and slightly leaning Trump ??