Hillary Clintons Popular-Vote Victory Is Unprecedentedand Still Growing

[deminks]

https://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-victory-is-unprecedented-and-still-growing/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Hillary Clinton now leads the national popular vote for president by roughly one million votes, and her victory margin is expanding rapidly. That margin could easily double before the end of an arduous process of counting ballots, reviewing results, and reconciling numbers for an official total.

But one thing is certain: Clinton’s win is unprecedented in the modern history of American presidential politics. And the numbers should focus attention on the democratic dysfunction that has been exposed.

When a candidate who wins the popular vote does not take office, when a loser is instead installed in the White House, that is an issue. And it raises questions that must be addressed.

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IF SOMEONE TELLS ME I SHOULD “GET OVER IT,” HOW SHOULD I RESPOND?

Just tell them that you agree with Donald Trump, who in 2012 described the Electoral College a “disaster for democracy.” On Sunday, he told CBS’s 60 Minutes that he still agrees with himself—even if he is not prepared to defer to the will of the people in this instance. “I would rather see it where you went with simple votes,” Trump explained. “You know, you get 100 million votes and somebody else gets 90 million votes and you win.”

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[duffyduff]

1. But. But. But.

We still must appeal to the idiot white dudes who keep voting the wrong way election after election after election and STILL blame the Democrats for their worsening living standards.

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. And they never blame the Republicans for not alleviating their worsening

living standards when they so easily could, but instead choose to obstruct those wanting to. We're bad at pointing that out.

[cilla4progress]

2. No!

We need to revolt and have her installed as rightful President, knowing we have the majority of those who voted behind us!

We can do this!!

[Wilms]

4. Send a postcard when you get there. n/t

[Wilms]

3. She doesn't have anywhere near the record number of votes.

Obama had 69 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

HRC has 62 million or so.

What the...?

[deminks]

7. Unprecedented, not record setting

from the article:

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IS CLINTON’S POPULAR-VOTE VICTORY UNPRECEDENTED?

Yes. Clinton has already won the popular vote by a dramatically larger number of ballots than anyone in history who did not go on to be inaugurated as president.

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[Wilms]

8. Good grief.

OK. She gets an asterisk.

[Ellipsis]

11. heh.

[pnwmom]

16. Why should she? Since 2013 when the voting rights act was overturned for most states,

she's had a much harder battle than Obama had. Vote purging, voter ID, reduced numbers of polling places and other forms of voter suppression could easily account for all those votes.

https://thinkprogress.org/2016-a-case-study-in-voter-suppression-258b5f90ddcd#.nyilwvxl9

Last week, the first election in 50 years without the full protection of the federal Voting Rights Act propelled Donald Trump to the White House.

Trump will assume the presidency because of the Electoral College’s influence — nearly a million more people cast ballots for Hillary Clinton as of November 15. The election was also marked by low turnout, with tens of millions of eligible voters choosing not to participate at all. Yet there has been relatively little discussion about the millions of people who were eligible to vote but could not do so because they faced an array of newly-enacted barriers to the ballot box.

SNIP

This year, the GOP expanded its control to 32 state legislatures and 33 governorships. With all three branches of the federal government and a majority of states now under Republican control, American voters can expect to face more barriers and restrictions in the coming years.

[Xipe Totec]

5. The 2020 Census will rebalance the electoral college.

Based on EDS’s projections, California (+1), Colorado (+1), Florida (+1), North Carolina (+1), and Texas (+3) are in line to gain at least one seat. In some cases, EDS found that Arizona, Oregon, and/or Virginia may also pick up an additional seat.

On the other side of the ledger, Alabama (-1), Illinois (-1), Michigan (-1), Minnesota (-1), Ohio (-1), Pennsylvania (-1), Rhode Island (-1), and West Virginia (-1) are positioned to lose a seat, and in at least one projection New York also lost one.



http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/updated-2020-reapportionment-projections/

[OrwellwasRight]

9. This is not actually helpful.

NY, MN, IL, RI, MI, OH, PA losing seats is not good for Democrats. Sure, HRC lost MI, PA, and OH all in one fell swoop, but that's not normal. And the others are definitely lost D votes.

TX gaining seats = not good. Everyone says "some day" TX will be all Dem, but I used to work for a TX Dem. I gotta tell you, I don't see it happening in 2020.

NC, FL gaining seats is not necessarily good. Look what happened last week.

We need MN, NY, CA, OR, WA, IL AND New England all gaining seats. That would be good.

Not sure why you think this is useful.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. Trump can kiss his mandate good-bye.

[JHB]

10. If someone tells you to "get over it", tell them you'll deal with it the conservative way...

...bottomless, never-ending hatred. It's what they do.

They're not over the 1960 election. Even though if everything they say is true and it should have gone Republican, Kennedy sti would have won. There may be a lot of Chicago and Illinois pols who can carp about "stolen" elections, but Nixon wasn't one of them.

In 1992 Rush Limbaugh responded to the election outcome by rallying moping, despondent Republicans and vowing total resistance.

In 2009, on election day, Republican congressional leaders met to agree to just block everything Obama proposed. No greater goal, to them, than making him a 1-term president. Country be damned.

They've treated every Democratic president as illegitimate for decades. The point where you'll differ from them is that in modern history, the only illegitimate presidents, the ones that need an asterisk next to their name, are theirs.

[ErikJ]

12. In this day and age the electoral college is completely irrelevant.

[B Calm]

13. Yet Hillary got millions of lesser votes than Obama. What does that say?

[lunamagica]

14. K&R