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bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:50 PM Mar 2012

Who in the Administration came up with the bright idea to sent healthcare to the Courts in 2012

Right smack in the election year.If the black robes knock it down as Unconstitutional it will be the biggest blunder ever in an election year

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Who in the Administration came up with the bright idea to sent healthcare to the Courts in 2012 (Original Post) bigdarryl Mar 2012 OP
Are you sure it was the administrations idea? rfranklin Mar 2012 #1
They just said it on Tweety's show saying they could have waited until 2013 bigdarryl Mar 2012 #2
I will take the republicans govs at their word.... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #7
The White House doesn't set the calendar for the judicial branch. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #3
They wanted it fast tracked. former9thward Mar 2012 #14
Several states sued the Administration. lastlib Mar 2012 #4
They could have slowed it down if they wanted. former9thward Mar 2012 #15
In my dreams I think maybe this is one of Obama's chest games...you movonne Mar 2012 #5
puff, puff, pass. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #8
Obama administration puts Affordable Care Act on SCOTUS fast track Control-Z Mar 2012 #6
Blunder? Bobcat Mar 2012 #9
Nice article this verifies it was there idea to fast track this thing bigdarryl Mar 2012 #10
Separation of powers, ya know that Constitution thingy longship Mar 2012 #11
The administration's lawyers should've argued that the fine is a tax, delaying a ruling until 2015. Alexander Mar 2012 #12
Arguing it is a tax wouldn't necessarily have prevented the case from being heard onenote Apr 2012 #19
It Was State AGs That Took It To Court... KharmaTrain Mar 2012 #13
Um, why would it be the administration's idea? Arkana Mar 2012 #16
Becuase if Obama loses, it would inevitably be struck down with Romney's DOJ defending it? Hippo_Tron Mar 2012 #17
It already has been pointed out fightforfreedom123 Apr 2012 #18
I know that you're the "Gloom and Doom" DUer who often points the finger at the Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2012 #20
 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
1. Are you sure it was the administrations idea?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:00 PM
Mar 2012

I had the impression that it was the Republican governors who forced the issue.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
2. They just said it on Tweety's show saying they could have waited until 2013
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:04 PM
Mar 2012

and it was there idea to send it up to the Supreme Court in 2012 I wasn't aware of this myself

movonne

(9,623 posts)
5. In my dreams I think maybe this is one of Obama's chest games...you
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:29 PM
Mar 2012

know ......When the SC knocks it down.. people of this country find out the horror of not having any health care they will demand health coverage for all..yeah right...

 

Alexander

(15,318 posts)
12. The administration's lawyers should've argued that the fine is a tax, delaying a ruling until 2015.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:37 PM
Mar 2012

In fact, that used to be the administration's position.

Instead, they changed their minds and argued the fine is not a tax, and the case can be decided in 2012. It also led to some legal contortions. As Alito pointed out, the Solicitor General argued on one day that the fine is a tax, only to come back and argue the next day that it isn't a tax.

Just say it's a tax, kick the can down the road until 2015 (when the first fines will be paid) and be done with it. That should've been the legal strategy.

onenote

(42,702 posts)
19. Arguing it is a tax wouldn't necessarily have prevented the case from being heard
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 03:39 PM
Apr 2012

Yes, the administration could have made that argument. But that doesn't mean the courts would have bought it. Indeed, there is no reason to think that they would. Even Ginsburg seemed unimpressed with that argument. Were there things that the administration could have done to slow the case's progress through the courts? Probably so. But arguing that the individual mandate was a tax was not, in and of itself, one of those things.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
13. It Was State AGs That Took It To Court...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:13 PM
Mar 2012

The original plaintiff was Florida that originally took the case to a lower court which got passed up to the SCOTUS and they agreed to hear the case. The administration had zero to do with this. I'm sure they would have prefered the court had passed on it.

Tweety was refering to trying to pass Health care in a second term vs. a first one...where the 2013 line came in...assuming that the Democrats had retained control of both houses. Typical Tweety psychobabble...

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
17. Becuase if Obama loses, it would inevitably be struck down with Romney's DOJ defending it?
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:54 PM
Mar 2012

And because Obama's re-election is going to have far more to do with where the economy is than what the Supreme Court decides on this case.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
20. I know that you're the "Gloom and Doom" DUer who often points the finger at the Obama
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 04:55 PM
Apr 2012

administration, but in this instance, you're off the mark.

26 states are suing the government over the ACA. The SCOTUS agreed to hear their case.

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