2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThree Common-Sense Gun Bills That Can't Pass Congress
Reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban. In 1994, gun-control advocates vanquished the NRA and passed a federal ban on assault weapons, but during Congressional negotiations they had to compromise: the ban would affect only weapons manufactured after the date of enactment, and the bill would have a ten-year sunset. Bill Clinton signed the law in September of that year.Alas, ten years later, the Congress and the White House were both controlled by pro-gun Republicans, and it was an election yearso the ban expired. Today, you can for example walk into most big-box sporting goods stores and buy an AR-15 assault rifle. (This is what Holmes, the Colorado shooter, did).In the wake of the mass shootings in Tuscon in 2010, Represenative Caroline McCarthywhos husband was killed in a mass shooting on the Long Island Railroad in the early 90sre-introduced a permanent ban on assault weapons in the House. Senator Frank Lautenberg introduced a similar bill in the Senate. Neither came up for a vote.
Banning high-capacity magazines. Reports indicate that at most ninety seconds passed between the first 911 call in Aurora and the apprehension of the suspect. Yet he was still able to shoot seventy-one peoplein large part because his AR-15 rifle had a 100-round drum capable of firing fifty to sixty shots per minute.Just this week, Senator Lautenberg said he plans to introduce legislation banning these high-volume ammunition clips. Republican Senator Ron Johnson, however, said the bill will restrict our freedoms. Its extremely unlikely it can muster the sixty votes needed to overcome a Senate filibuster.
Regulate Sniper Rifles. Among the more dangerous weapons currently sold in America are .50-caliber rifles. Some can be outfitted to fire large rounds originally intended for use with Browning Machine Guns, and have been adopted by the military as long-range sniper rifles. According to a Congressional Research Service report, these weaponsfreely available at most gun retailerscould be used to shoot down aircraft, rupture pressurized chemical tanks, or penetrate armored personnel carriers and have little sporting, hunting, or recreational purpose.In the 110th Congress, Senator Feinstein introduced the Fifty Caliber Sniper Weapons Regulation Act, which had very modest goals: to simply treat those weapons as short-barreled shotguns and silencers are treated, that is, to levy taxes on their manufacture and transfer, and require they be registered with authorities. That bill was defeated.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/169038/three-common-sense-gun-bills-cant-pass-congress
Some of our gun laws are just ridiculous. I'm dumbfounded. This article was published before the shootings in CT, btw.
AndyA
(16,993 posts)There is absolutely no reason why any responsible gun owner would NEED an assault weapon, or a high capacity magazine, or a sniper rifle, or hundreds of guns.
I had a conversation with an acquaintance once who told me he needed high capacity magazines to "make sure he hit his target when he went hunting."
I told him if he was that bad of a shot, he shouldn't have a gun at all, period. Then I suggested he take some training to determine if he's even capable of hitting a target, and that he should do so before he hurt someone or worse.
Later, I was told that he couldn't hit the barn, much less the barn door. I find no comfort in the thought that he likely didn't get any training, and he probably has a lot more weapons today than he did back then. (He was also known for having a short fuse, not a desirable trait if you have guns.)
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)mzteaze
(448 posts)Not one person can ever explain why they NEED these types of gun in hunting or personal protection situations.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)or a crime of any kind here??
Ever?
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Sadly, maybe the AR-15 is more popular because it can kill a maximum amount of people in a short time period.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Glock, Sig-sauer.....all the rest....
neverforget
(9,436 posts)axetogrind
(118 posts)Haven't been used in a crime yet. Handguns account for the huge majority of gun violence.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)But the fact remains that they've been around for years and not once has a .50 cal rifle been used in a crime, not saying that they will never be used in a crime, just that so far, they haven't been.
.50 cal. rifles and ammo are extremely expensive and few if any criminals would use them to commit a crime, also, very hard to conceal one on one's body and also maneuver it around.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)The Aurora and Tuscon shooters were in compliance with state law right up until they started shooting. That's when they became criminals. Statistically you're right. Most of these deaths involve street level crime and handguns but there are enough examples of people getting their guns legally, losing their shit sometime after that, and then using the gun to kill themselves and others to warrant attention. I've lost count of the number of murder-suicides in my area the last two years, for example, and almost without exception those guns were obtained legally.
axetogrind
(118 posts)but most of the violent crime in the country, including gun crime, is related to the stupid WOD, that is, gangs battling it out over drug turf, drug routes, and the like.
End the WOD and I bet a lot of the violent crime would cease, take that money and invest it in our cities and infrastructure, create jobs.
We're not going to stop all shootings, but we can do things to reduce it without trampling on our rights.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)These weapons aren't a problem...until they are.
Since they apparently have little recreational value I'm not seeing the problem in keeping them out of reach of the general public.