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Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:57 PM

 

Was blaming Russia for everything a bad move?

Romney is the one who said they were our#1 enemy and Obama downplayed that idea saying the 80s are calling and they want there foreign policy back. Romney lost.

Now we seem to be blaming Russia for everything. I'm not sure this is a good strategy. Have things really changed this drastically in 4 yrs? Why the flip flop?

I say let's stop blaming everyone else for our problems and start finding solutions that meet the needs of our voters!

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:01 PM

1. I dont think anyone is blaming them for EVERYTHING, but they sure as shite did fuck up our elections

 

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Response to Grey Lemercier (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:20 PM

5. Thanks for these videos

Pretty fascinating stuff.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:02 PM

2. No. Put the blame where it belongs. They interfered in our electitons enormously.

They continue to do so.

I say let's put the blame right where it belongs--on Vladimir and the racists he incites.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:16 PM

3. Yes.

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People with a brain should known that foreign entities are going to attempt to hack our government and political parties.

To believe that America wouldn't do the same thing is ignorant at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.

The DNC should have taken cyber security seriously. They didn't, and they payed the price for it. Embarrassing emails were leaked and the DNC Char had to be removed because of it.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 07:30 PM

4. Yes

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 11:24 PM

6. Pretending that Russia did not play a remarkable role in this election, from RT's support

 

of Bernie, the propaganda both online, on TV etc. and the actual intrusions is somehow not Russian in nature, despite 17 intelligence agencies saying so, is a pretty bad move. Denying reality usually is. I say let's stop playing blame games, and let's start addressing the foreign intrusions and other nonsense that infected this election cycle, that's how you meet the needs of voters.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:48 AM

7. A lot of people think we're crazy

It's harder to call out the Conspiracy Theorist-In-Chief (Trump's never met a hoax he didn't like) when we have people like Kurt Eichenwald beating the drum for their theories on our side. I'm not saying Russia didn't play a role, but many liberals went mad and grasped at straws (Eichenwald getting a reporter fired was the line for me) that made us look a bit kooky.

Also some people right out called the Russians communist like it was 1955. This is dumb and nonsensical considering Putin's actual government is right-wing. We can't say obviously false things and expect people to believe us.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 03:08 AM

8. I think that ignoring the content of Wikileaks was a mistake

Though I'm not sure how to do it better, personally. However since the only line on wikileaks was "these were Russian hacks" it only fueled the outrage. It left no message out there and made it look like the campaign was just trying to run out the clock rather than address it at all, and just hope it went away. However, I know to many the silence on the content was deafening.

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Response to SpareribSP (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 08:55 AM

11. It was basically the swift boating of Hillary.

 

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 03:14 AM

9. "Romney, who calls Russia our "No. 1 geopolitical foe," doesn't seem to realize it's the 21st centur

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Response to jfern (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:03 AM

10. Sigh... Why are we spreading Romney's message for him?!?

 

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Response to jfern (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:07 AM

12. This won't be popular but if you are too partisan to realize when your opponent is right

 

You are destroying yourself and your ambitions.

Romney called it. He was ridiculed for it and in his second term Obama had to deal with russia in the Ukraine and Syria not to mention dealing with their influence in Asia.

Now the election. Romney called it and we mocked him and as punishment we get trump.

Maybe we will be smarter next time.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:37 AM

13. It didn't seem to help. nt

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:59 AM

14. Who laid the entirety of blame for "everything" at Russia's feet?

Who laid the entirety of blame for "everything" at Russia's feet?

"I say let's stop empty and meaningless allegations and start utilizing rational thought, supporting our premise with evidence, and try acting like an adult!"

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