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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:50 PM Dec 2016

Do you think the EC will reject Trump due to the Russian question and/or the popular vote situation?

Last edited Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Follow-up:

If they did, do you think they'd give majority support to someone else, or just throw it into the House?


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Do you think the EC will reject Trump due to the Russian question and/or the popular vote situation? (Original Post) Ken Burch Dec 2016 OP
It's full of party loyalists so no. Renew Deal Dec 2016 #1
True that. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #4
you're missing an "nfw" option. unblock Dec 2016 #2
We thought there was no way Trump would win either. Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #3
i said "salacious", not "scandalous". unblock Dec 2016 #12
I started the poll because I've seen a lot of posts here from people who think it's possible. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #5
honestly i'm not sure we'd be better of with a president pence or ryan or whoever. unblock Dec 2016 #13
At least they aren't in bed with the Russians n/t TexasBushwhacker Dec 2016 #16
russians hacked the rnc as well, and keep the secrets. possibly extortion. unblock Dec 2016 #17
+1, If the situation were reversed would a Clinton elector switch to Trump? That Guy 888 Dec 2016 #6
It would depend on the state and the elector, I think. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #7
*an* elector might be "unfaithful", but 37? no way. unblock Dec 2016 #14
saddly, no demon in basement Dec 2016 #8
And the GOP might prefer that... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #18
I voted 50/50, possibly out of hope mvd Dec 2016 #9
I think impeachmemt is our best bet... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #19
No. it will never happen. Exilednight Dec 2016 #10
No way today, but a lot can happen in 7 days. We don't have all facts. In fact, we have few facts, Coyotl Dec 2016 #11
Republicans don't care about the popular vote. EL34x4 Dec 2016 #15
Impossible to answer with so much uncertainty. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #20

NanceGreggs

(27,822 posts)
4. True that.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:25 PM
Dec 2016

But this may be a case of party loyalty as opposed to Trump loyalty - and as we've seen, there is little of that.

I think the Republican PTB are freaking out over what a loose cannon Trump is, and how badly he can damage the party "brand". They can still get one of their own in the WH, and I believe they just might jump at that chance.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall while the GOP is discussing among themselves! I think there are probably as many who want him out as there are those willing to let things play out - and it's down to who can convince who to side with them.

As dumb as Repubs can be, surely they know by Trump's cabinet picks that his administration would be an utter disaster - which means they risk losing control of congress in 2018. In addition, there's the whole "illegitimacy" thing hanging over Trump going in, and the specter of "siding with Russia's pick" if they continue supporting him.

Well, I guess we'll know soon enough ...

unblock

(52,626 posts)
2. you're missing an "nfw" option.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:10 PM
Dec 2016

sorry, but this is complete fantasy, and not even a good one. there's just *no way* a significant bunch of party loyalists are going to go against their party-expected function, enough to take away the presidency from the clown that 62 million people voted for.

if he had only 15% support, mayyyybe. if he were proven guilty of a salacious crime, probably.

but as it is, there's just no way they're going to do anything but the automatic, brain-dead thing and rubber stamp him into office.

 
3. We thought there was no way Trump would win either.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:15 PM
Dec 2016

And it's looking like he'll be guilty of a scandalous crime soon.

unblock

(52,626 posts)
12. i said "salacious", not "scandalous".
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:04 PM
Dec 2016

scandalous is in the eye of the beholder, and republicans and the media have a very long track record of nailing democrats for the slightest made-up crap (e.g., hillary's tech admin not keeping up with Microsoft updates? seriously?) but virtually ignoring horrific and obvious crimes by republicans (e.g., cheney outing an active undercover cia operative).

the media won't make nearly enough of any mere electoral malfeasance by republicans. to the extent they cover it, there will always be someone there denying it and/or dismissing it as politics as usual, both side do it, whatever.


no, it has to be something base, something inexcusable, something they can't ignore and can't dismiss. think the old edwin edwards quote -- he'd have to be caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. I started the poll because I've seen a lot of posts here from people who think it's possible.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:32 PM
Dec 2016

I mainly wanted to see how likely people here thought the scenario might be.

It's not something I'm personally expecting to see, although I'd be glad to see it happen.

unblock

(52,626 posts)
13. honestly i'm not sure we'd be better of with a president pence or ryan or whoever.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:05 PM
Dec 2016

it's like choosing between a tornado and a hurricane.

unblock

(52,626 posts)
17. russians hacked the rnc as well, and keep the secrets. possibly extortion.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 10:03 PM
Dec 2016

republicans are greatly indebted to them for their help in getting them the white house, the senate, and the supreme court.

trump is not really all that different in many ways from the rest of the washington republicans. he's merely more obvious.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
6. +1, If the situation were reversed would a Clinton elector switch to Trump?
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:47 PM
Dec 2016

Clinton electors would view pizzagate and other right wing fake news as nonsense. Unfortunately the GOP electors mostly view Trump's negatives as a sign that the "liebrul media" is out to get him.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
7. It would depend on the state and the elector, I think.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 08:58 PM
Dec 2016

And it would depend on the tactics Trump supporters used in such a scenario(I remember reading that, in the run-up to the 2000 result, a number of Bush strategists thought it was possible that Gore might win in the Electoral College but lose in the popular vote, and they were preparing to essentially create a mass movement to try to scare the EC into picking Dubbikins).

unblock

(52,626 posts)
14. *an* elector might be "unfaithful", but 37? no way.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:08 PM
Dec 2016

moreover, faithless electors typically vote for someone else entirely, not the opposition candidate.

best case fantasy is that enough defect so that trump doesn't get a majority of electoral votes, but neither does hillary. in which case the house decides, and guess what? trump becomes president anyway.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
18. And the GOP might prefer that...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:25 AM
Dec 2016

Trump isn't establishment GOP. Pence is. I could see them turning on Trump and lining up behind Pence, who could possibly serve more than 8 years if he were to assume the office after Trump's impeachment (that last part sounded good, didn't it?)...

Just trying to think this through in terms of the GOP endgame.

mvd

(65,191 posts)
9. I voted 50/50, possibly out of hope
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:21 PM
Dec 2016

I really don't want to live in Trump's America. I think if more Republicans keep on asking for investigations that it is possible.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
11. No way today, but a lot can happen in 7 days. We don't have all facts. In fact, we have few facts,
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 09:47 PM
Dec 2016

and quite a few inferences about unknown implications. There must be an active criminal case in the background or we'd know more by now.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
15. Republicans don't care about the popular vote.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:41 PM
Dec 2016

Sure, winning it would've been nice but they know with California and New York's massive population of Democrats, they'll probably never win the national popular vote again. In fact, Trump's monumental popular vote loss will likely ensure that Republicans defend the Electoral College now more than ever.

Russian hacking? They're laughing their asses off about it. They don't care.

So, to answer your question, not just no but hell no.

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