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Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:48 AM

Suggestion: we stop with the "Chump" "tRump" "RePug" namecalling and focus on issues

I cringe every time I see progressives use these terms during political discussions. This kind of schoolyard "you're a poo-poo head" taunting makes us look childish and petty and takes away from the real, serious issues we're trying to address.

Referring to our adversaries by their actual names won't normalize or elevate them or diminish our position. In fact, it will make it easier for us to get across our point.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:51 AM

1. Nope

That is a level of respect the bastards haven't earned.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:55 AM

2. Agree!

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Response to Amishman (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:15 AM

12. I'm with you.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:43 PM

40. I'm with you, too. eom

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Response to Amishman (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:39 PM

147. looks amateurish and weak... maybe a little crazy.

 

We should be about alternatives and ideas.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:38 AM

160. Feels good but is childish. I do it myself too though.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:58 AM

3. He is a terrorist monster and I wont call him anything respectful ever.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:04 AM

5. And yet you have an avatar of Jimmy Carter...

Who is the paradigm of respectful politics.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:13 AM

9. Your concern is noted.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:14 AM

11. Yes, he IS. Do you agree or were you being sarcastic?

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:25 AM

13. Good luck getting moderates or independents to hear your MESSAGE. n/t

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Response to BP2 (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:30 AM

15. If they are racist supporters of his they can go fuck themselfs

we dont need or want them in the Democratic party.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:43 AM

17. What if...

maybe, just maybe some of them aren't?

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:45 AM

19. What if they voted for one?

Makes them ok with it in my book.
Fuck them.

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Response to BP2 (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:08 PM

23. There are very few moderates that would flip on name calling, I don't understand this line of thinki

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:02 AM

4. I Agree ... Can we stand for something better?

Call me stupid, but I think there is room for Americans to still work together IF we stop with the close minded hate. Not every Trump voter is a racist and a misogynist, and if we keep focusing on dividing, we will keep losing. The Republicans have enough rope to hang themselves, so let's provide a sane alternative when they do.

I am angry too, but satisfying my own frustrations and anger by striking out and name calling does not contribute to a sane America, it just makes others who disagree with me dig in their heels.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:37 AM

16. Here we go again

"Not every Trump voter is a racist and a misogynist,..."!!!

Not every German was a Nazi, and many supported Hitler because he promised jobs and a better economy...even after Kristallnacht!|

They did and said nothing while Hitler dehumanized all non-Aryans, they looked the other way when the "People's Court" tried, convicted, and executed dissenters...ever heard of the White Rose Society?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

Looking at history, that "not all Trump voters are..."excuse, just isn't good enough for me!!!





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Response to atreides1 (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:45 AM

20. Yes, here we go again...

Are we there? Really? Cause if we are, then get your guns and start shooting...

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:10 PM

24. No, we just don't normalize them, that's not smart to do... ridicule their stupid so they always fee

... feel outside the norm and always know Americans know they're fringe.

That's pretty much the tactic security agencies are taking with ISIS recruites... don't normalize them

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:20 PM

27. Okay, lets keep marginalizing almost 1/2 of America

How is that working for us?

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:28 PM

29. This is a RWTP, you know that right? Seeing that it wasn't 1/2 of America and the plurality of ...

... Americans voted for the other person.

The rest of the loss is Comey, Russia and voter suppression everything else is guessing.

But to get back to the RWTP normalizing Benedict Donald and his Band Of Bigots is way more dangerous than calling him names the non independent Trump voters don't like.

I'll not repeat the bad parts of history ... I've learned from it

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:36 PM

32. Not acting like a ten year old is normalizing?

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:37 PM

33. Yeap, again... read the bad parts of history and don't repeat it.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:29 PM

95. Why don't you make this same argument at Free Republic re: Trump

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:31 PM

30. We are by far the majority so maybe we ought to actually act it.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:40 PM

36. I think you replied to the wrong post.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:40 PM

37. sorry !!! edited

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:42 PM

39. No problem,I want that entire evil family and their supporters to be shamed forever.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:44 PM

42. Yes, and historically and even now with ISIS recruits from the west shame and fringe and ridicule is

... what works because part of their motivation is glory.

If they're going to be religated to the stupid part of history it lets the wind out of their sales

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:41 PM

38. +1, I totally agree with this line of thinking (now that I've aligned the post correctly K :-) )

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:17 PM

49. Calling them by their names doesn't "normalize" them

But calling them stupid nicknames actually makes them caricatures, far less dangerous than they are, and makes us look childish and unserious.

This is very different than calling him and his supporters out for enabling racism and misogyny. But it is amusing to see some of the same people who insist that we must all be extraordinarily deferential and respectful to Trump voters turn around and call the guy they voted for stupid names.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:01 PM

58. We agree, it doesn't normalize them and labeling them via demeaning names doesn't either but demeani

... names keeps up the label for others who don't know and establish's they're fringe often enough.

On this issue I'm going to go with history not my or other peoples feelings.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:08 PM

82. You are 100% correct, but

probably just feeding a troll in this case.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:43 AM

18. To me they are because they voted for one.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:02 PM

45. Biden doesn't agree

Joe said:

“They’re all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them.”

article: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-interview-20161222-story.html

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:12 PM

48. Yeah because a sitting vice president doesnt have to temper his words ever.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:41 PM

148. Because if there's anything Biden is known for, it's tempering himself

 

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:45 PM

55. And it's why we lose

All this" respect"......
Our adversaries laugh at us
And always get the gold.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:36 PM

86. HERR TRUMPENSTEIN CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF!! How's that?

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:05 AM

6. I agree with you...

I was a little disappointed in Robert Reich for calling him 'Drumpf' even though that's his actual family name.

Name calling is what THEY do, let's be better than that.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:11 AM

7. Yes, let's respect him.



Seems to me he got his point across conducting the worst name calling campaign in history, and we lost through our mannerly and respectful approach.

You can't wear a suit and tie when you're wrestling a pig.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:14 AM

10. You can't wear a suit and tie when you're wrestling a pig.

SO agree with you.



(Great line by the way )

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Response to tavernier (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:26 AM

14. We didn't lose because we took the high ground

We lost for lots of reasons, but taking the high ground wasn't one of them. I don't respect Donald Trump and never will. I also will not lose respect for myself by selling out my principles, one of which is acting as a mature adult, not as a name-calling child.

Great leaders lead by example...

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:38 PM

87. Thank you

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Response to tavernier (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:17 PM

50. I never said respect him

But we should stop acting like him.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:44 PM

149. And ISIS gets their point across by cutting off heads and attacking crowds and torture

 

To quote somebody else who dealt with worse that being called names:

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

Clinton didn't lose because Trump called her names. She lost because of that stupid email server.

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Response to mythology (Reply #149)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:56 PM

151. Sorry...

You are saying that ... ???

Nope. Sorry again.

Didn't get your point.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:13 AM

8. You're right, he has issues

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:04 PM

21. I call him Trump, just Trump....

whatever anybody else calls him is their business. Frankly, I don't care about shit like this.

Whining amongst ourselves about petty shit like this is exactly what they want us to do. You do your thing, everybody else will do theirs. All will be fine.

How is arguing about shit like this "focusing on issues?" If you want to focus on issues, post about issues and ignore the chaff.

Problem solved.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:07 PM

22. ************* DO NOT NORMALIZE BENEDICT DONALD TO ANY DEGREE !!!! **********

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:12 PM

25. No. I think people should use whatever terminology they prefer.

I would not suggest that people refrain from mocking Donald Trump, if that is how they feel. One of the things we do that holds us back is to pretend to be polite when that is the last thing we want to do. While it's admirable to treat even adversaries as honorable, it's not practical when those adversaries are far from honorable.

I don't want Donald Trump to be normalized. I want him to be mocked, ridiculed and challenged at every turn.

So, no thanks on your suggestion. Sorry.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:45 PM

43. +1, relegate the fringe to the fringe normalizing them has never worked for any society

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:46 PM

44. This! + 1000 - k&r eom

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:07 PM

121. I totally agree Mineral Man.

Calling this asshole names helps my blood pressure stay down.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:15 PM

26. *Pooty Poot* has to be the most idiotic.

I tune those posts right the fuck out.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:21 PM

28. Despite all the "Dumbya" and "Chimperor" nicknames...

...I rather liked referring to 43 as President Bush as a reminder of the magnitude of the the fucking up he did.

President Trump will arrive in office with no idea of what he needs to do, no matter How many times it's explained to him. He simply has no interest in anything other than being a big shot, for which he'll receive four hundred large per year plus all the graft he can eat.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:34 PM

31. Here we go again---demands that Democrats pull their punches.

When will we ever learn?

If you want to play nice with the monster president-elect and the dimwits who put him over the top, go right ahead. I will refer to Trump and his hordes any way I damn well please, and I encourage others to do likewise.

We have a brilliant, classy, scandal-free President who, with his wonderful family, has graced the White House for the past eight years. The only major fault I can ascribe to Barack Obama is how politely he treated a bunch of scumbag republicans, who hated his guts and who limited his effectiveness in every way possible, for every year/month/day/hour/minute of his time in office. There is no point in being nice to the likes of Mitch McConnell, or Jeff Sessions, or Mike Pence, or Donald Trump. They do not appreciate conciliatory behavior---they depend on Democrats to play nice, and in return, they stab us in the back. Every time. This country stands in mortal peril because a demonstrably insane individual is about to assume the presidency. Diplomacy will not work against this new regime---be it in the halls of Congress, or a Democratic online site. It's already ugly, and God willing, it will get a lot uglier, until this unprecedented threat to the nation is removed.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:41 PM

88. How is not calling people stupid names "pulling our punches?"

It's nothing of the kind - it's simply making a choice not to emulate the people we claim to disdain.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #88)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:33 AM

97. It's indicative of a conciliatory mindset which we can't afford, anymore.

I stand by my prior comments.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #97)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:30 AM

98. I guess I live in a different reality where not calling someone childish names is not

evidence of conciliation.

Charles Hamilton Houston, Thurgood Marshall, Dorothy Height, Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, Bayard Rustin, Malcolm X, Fannie Lou Hamer, etc. helped to dismantle a wretched, degrading system without once publicly calling anyone out of their names.

I stand by them.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #98)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:41 AM

99. You fight the battle your way, I'll fight it my way. (nt)

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:38 PM

35. I am tired of the morality police on DU.

If the name calling offends you, you are welcome to set the example by not engaging in it. But please refrain from expecting everyone else to be like you.

We are all individuals here. We are all adults. We can moderate our own behavior.

Donald Trump's election is going to harm me and my family in serious ways. I will call the sonofabitch whatever I feel like calling him - and whatever I call him will never fully describe the vileness about him because he is the worst of the worst.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:03 PM

46. Nobdy is saying you can't call names

They're just saying it won't help. Take what you like and leave the rest...

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 05:07 PM

79. Re: Nobdy is saying you can't call names

 

Actually, that is exactly what the OP says ...

Suggestion: we stop with the "Chump" "tRump" "RePug" namecalling

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:47 PM

56. X 1000

...

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:28 PM

84. Spot-on, hamsterjill

As for me, I'll never call him anything but drumpf which, after all, is his real name.

And I refuse to ever capitalize it.

It's all part of vehemently opposing the status quo


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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:49 AM

100. Well said. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #100)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:17 PM

107. Thank you!

Hope you and your family enjoy a wonderful holiday season.

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Response to hamsterjill (Reply #107)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:05 PM

113. Same to you and yours. (nt)

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:43 PM

41. CrookedHillary.

I will never stop hating him for that verbal assault and all the others he rammed down our throats. I can't type his name. It sickens me.

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Response to Croney (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:45 PM

116. I gave him a new middle name. I am calling him...

...DFT - Donald Fucking Trump.

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Response to Croney (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:47 PM

150. Yes, that one stuck and did crazy damage

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:12 PM

47. I can do both.

Thanks.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:25 PM

51. TRASHED. I WILL CALL HIM WHATEVER I DAMN WELL WANT.

AND, I will work in my community to get rid of his politician followers and policies in any which way I can, by fair means or unfair.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:35 PM

52. I get what you're saying and have felt like that from time to time as well.

Unfortunately, this one will always be The Tangerine Nightmare to me.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:42 PM

53. Are you joking

Use of a name denotes a form of respect.
That orange blob of shit is M A G G O T.
That's it.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:03 PM

59. EXACTLY

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:36 PM

64. +1

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Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:15 PM

90. +10000000

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:42 PM

54. You make a very important point, but so many seem to ignore it.

 

Part of the reason we lost is because we underestimated Trump. We spent a lot of time calling him names, reveling in how stupid he was, ridiculing his supporters and calling them cute names. Then we took it to the next level, getting into the mud pit to wrestle with him. It wasn't a good tactic for us, not our style, not what we do best. It cost us. I can't say it was the only factor in our loss, but it definitely contributed. We underestimated him, and his reality TV abilities. I think we have to take this guy seriously, because he is going to do some serious shit to our country, so thinking up cute names for him diverts our attention.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:51 PM

57. It cost us anyway

And it's not why we lost the EC.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:36 PM

65. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! COMEY, Voter Suppression and RUSSIA !! Fuck all the other bullshit

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #65)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:43 PM

67. And there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point.

 

We didn't make any mistakes. We were perfect. It was all "their fault." Your reply could easily qualify as sarcasm.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #67)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:46 PM

68. Red Herring, we're not talking about the stupid suppostiion of being perfect just factors outside of

... our control which even if we were perfect doesn't change the outcome.

I'm not going to keep feeding the false sense of control by fooling myself into thinking those 3 factors weren't salient... I'll leave that up to other control freaks.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #68)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:51 PM

72. Yes, but what about factors within our control?

 

We lost by only 80,000 votes spread out over three states. A small difference in our approach might have made the difference.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #72)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:02 PM

73. 50 state all county... No doubt but that doesn't change the election

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #54)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:59 AM

103. You nailed it

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:05 PM

60. How 'bout you do you and I do me? If referring to his 'American Psycho extras'

spawn as Uday and Qusay makes me an immature idiot. So be it.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #60)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:32 PM

76. It does make you an immature idiot. Their names are "my brother Darrell and my other brother

Darrell." From now on, get it right.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:16 PM

61. I agree

Call me a libtard or whatever, and my ears slam shut, even if whatever comes next is as eloquent as the Gettysburg Address. It makes a person sound childish.

We will never influence others in a positive way, or get them to even consider listening to other views, by insulting them.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:17 PM

62. Sorry. I refuse to give Twittler even the respect of using his name.

You can be grateful I don't use dirty adjectives every time I mention him by one of his Manbaby names.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:19 PM

63. No, stick with the name-calling. Didn't it work stopping Bush from a 2nd term? It's

sure to work the same way again.

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Response to 24601 (Reply #63)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:46 PM

69. Yes it did, got us a dem congresss

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #69)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:56 PM

89. Years 7 & 8, whoopie.....

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 07:32 PM

117. You think the Dems won the Congress in 2006 because you called Bush "Chimpy?"

Okaayyy ...

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #117)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:00 PM

119. Link and quite even the intimation of such?

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:48 PM

70. You can forget about that. In my humble circles, he is President-elect Asshole

or if I'm around little kids, I'll tone it down a notch and refer to him as Bloated Orange or The Orange Blob or something to that effect.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:50 PM

71. Agree 100% It is not just childish, but rude

People doing it should remember how they would never have listened to any point made by someone referring to Obummer, Lurch or (any of the many despicable nicknames for Clinton). I know those names would have likely caused me to spend no time reading the comments.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:10 PM

74. No thanks. I'll continue to call him POS, because he's a piece of shit.

He's a bigot, a sexual predator, and a con man. I have no respect for him, his voters, or his apologists.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:30 PM

75. Great job focussing on the important issues in your OP! You raise interesting points on many

important issues! Just like you are telling others to do!



And no. A Twitler is a Twitler is a Twitler. He will always be Twitler to me.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:38 PM

77. Recommended because that is my ideal however:

The Right used names against Hillary to great effect, "Crooked Hillary" was sadly effective this year and we didn't have anything to counter it - DonTheCon should have been ringing from our side.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:56 PM

78. Nope

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 05:24 PM

80. I never use those names. I think prick is more accurate. n/t

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #80)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:21 PM

91. Words express our feelings. I rather like "clod"-- short and sweet

Here are some more gems:

blockhead
boor
chump
dimwit
dolt
dumbbell
dunce
fool
imbecile
lout
oaf
simpleton

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #91)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:41 PM

110. "Bird-Doo Head" has always been one of my faves. NT

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Response to End Of The Road (Reply #110)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:42 PM

111. Hah!!

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #91)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 01:17 AM

169. Trash works....he and his family....trash.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 05:30 PM

81. "Deplorables"

I'm compelled to refer to Trumpkin supporters as such until "the last syllable of recorded time".

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:24 PM

83. I think we can do both

Last edited Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Which I will continue to do.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:35 PM

85. Sure talk about issues but also SMASH HERR TRUMPENSTEIN and blacken his EYEBALLS!

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:01 PM

92. When they stop call us the "libtards".....

...and "the Democrat party"; when they stop calling Michelle Obama "monkey-face", etc....

I'll get back to ya.....

They want respect--they have to earn it.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:05 PM

93. I'll call him whatever the fuck I want.

I couldn't possibly give less of a shit if I look "childish" and "petty" in the eyes of the sexual predator's dumbshit, despicable cult followers.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:06 PM

94. Polite Speak is For Bretheren. These are traitors who applaud our arch enemy.

 

Sorry. I disagree. The broken record technique is wildly successful and I believe in giving as good as I get. I will call them EVERY NAME at EVERY TURN.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:07 AM

96. How about 'IL IGNORANTO'?

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:55 AM

101. I will always call him what he is: Don the Con. -nt

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:56 AM

102. We called Bush Chimpy, Dimson, Commander Codpiece, Junior, McCokespoon, and more for 8 years

I think I can count the times anyone directly referred to him as "President Bush" on one hand and have fingers left.

I understand why you say "Referring to our adversaries by their actual names won't normalize or elevate them or diminish our position. In fact, it will make it easier for us to get across our point."

But this is something new.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:06 PM

104. Suggestion: Herr TrumpenFurhrer can shove his wall UP HIS ASS! How's that?

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:11 PM

105. I routinely call him Dump

and will continue to do so. He deserves much worse, but "giant, orange, festering, splattered turd" is too long to type. (With thanks to the brilliant Hamfisted, the King of Insults)

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #105)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:05 PM

108. It's therapeutic

"giant, orange, festering, splattered turd"

It's also a means to vent our frustrations and evoke humor


I don't see that in any way being counter-productive-- we've been through a helluva lot and this helps take the edge off-- ever so slightly. How can this be a bad thing??

Bottom line: it's a catharsis

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:12 PM

106. sorry, I won't utter any name....

even the derogatory ones....and I won't fly the stars and stripes until this is over, just like when they stole it the last time. That probably means I won't ever fly again as long as I live.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:34 PM

109. Name-calling is silly. I usually don't read posts

with titles that include an intentional misspelling because that's a sure sign of a low-content post.

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Response to HeartachesNhangovers (Reply #109)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:01 PM

112. Exactly - but given the tone and passion of the responses here

we're obviously in the minority.

I wonder, though, how many of those who are so adamant about calling Trump, et al, ridiculous, juvenile names are the same ones lecturing us about how we must reach out to and coddle and - for God sakes! - not in any way offend his voters.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:06 PM

114. I already don't do that and I don't screech at people on airplanes. nt

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:07 PM

115. I agree. People who use such terms are always the same people who wonder why their

thoughts and ideas are not taken seriously.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #115)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 08:03 PM

118. Taken seriously by who? n/t

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #118)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:13 PM

122. by serious people.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #122)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:37 PM

128. No idea who that could be.

Supporters of the sexual predator definitely don't fall into that category.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #128)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:40 PM

130. If you met President Obama and had the chance to ask him one question that you disagreed with him

upon, would you say to him: "What the fuck were you thinking when ...?"

If you did, I am, sure he wouldn't take you seriously.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #130)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:46 PM

132. No, because I respect the man and wouldn't curse in his presence.

You realize people don't tend to talk in real life like how they talk on the internet, right?

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #132)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:47 PM

133. I don't find that to be true.

Over time, everyone shows their true colors.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #115)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:01 PM

120. lol ... So now we're advocating respect for this straight up asshole?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #120)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:21 PM

123. adults know how to prove a point without name calling.

if you want to get into a debate on stupidity with the stupid, then as soon as you sink to their level they will beat you with experience.

if someone calls me a half-breed, I refuse to dignify it with a remark. I can't take someone serious who doesn't take themself serious.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #123)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:24 PM

124. People who understand human pathology know to ridicule despots often, the people who are

... irritated the most by the ridicule usually can sympathize more with the ridiculed.

just fyi

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #124)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:30 PM

125. Just an FYI

Adults know how to do so without making it personal or resorting to stupidity and showing their lack of command of the English language.

PS: It really doesn't irritate me, it makes me feel bad that they show their ignorance so willfully.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #125)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:32 PM

126. Ignorance would be to ignore human pathology when it comes to despots no? I honestly want to know

... what you're thinking

It sounds like you agree that the despots should be ridiculed according to human pathology of not normalizing them but its HOW its being done that you don't like

Do I have that right?

tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #126)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:35 PM

127. What human pathology are you speaking of?

are you saying that people are hardwired to call others they disagree with names?

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #127)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:57 PM

136. No, that normalizing despots by NOT ridiculing them consummately

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/normalizing-a-monster_us_5829ca05e4b02b1f5257a62d

and this isn't a matter of disagreeing, I honestly think that supposition is crazy on its face.

Trump is a direct threat to people like me and my family, he's done more than JUST proffer policy that one can disagree with.

Regards

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #136)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:05 PM

137. I don't understand your premise.

I can be against everything someone stands for without being ignorant about it.

Is he the worst kind of person that could possibly win the presidency? Pretty damn close, but that doesn't mean I am going to resort to third grade taunts to win and influence future policy.


I can call Trump every name in the book, but his borderline supporters who could help us in 2020 will tune out and we can expect the same results.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #137)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:21 PM

141. My premise is he's a despot, not someone that just has policies people disagree with.. .that Bush

... or Romney.

Benedict Donald on many fronts has directly threatened groups of people in the US based off race and religion etc.... that's different from just policy... that's against what America stands for and threatens groups of people.

He should be AB-NORMALIZED as much as possible in the most sophomoric way possible... not to legitimize his shitness.

In regards to 3rd grade taunts, ... that's a ... HOW... the ridicule is done... that, IMHO, is a matter of taste... different strokes different folks.

So the base notion that Benedict Donald SHOULD be ridiculed is something we agree with right?

tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #141)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:39 PM

146. I find Trump no worse than Bush.

Bush was just better at hiding his disdain of minorities. In many ways, that made Bush worse than Trump.

If you feel the name to name call, then don't expect many responses from intelligent people.

Besides, people who hold grudges end up dying alone and bitter,

have a good day.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #146)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:00 PM

152. I ... OBJECTIONABLY.... don't feel the need. I'm basing my actions on human pathology.... science

... not opinion.

The FORM is in dispute here...

Not the function... do we agree?

tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #152)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:12 PM

154. I'm still trying to figure out what "pathology" you're speaking of.

What exact science are you basing this on? What scientist have studied this and found scientific conclusions?

It has been my experience that people who need to justify such actions are much like the people they say they despise.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #154)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:29 PM

155. Normalizing despots

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #155)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:36 PM

156. Where's the science?

Please post links to the studies and scientific journals. I'll be more than happy to read them.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #156)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:53 PM

157. I'll look through my post, it was in part a history of what the media did with Hitler during the 30s

... and what they shouldn't have done.

I'll find and get back

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:39 PM

129. Yeah, how'd that work out on Nov 8 ?

The biggest petty asshole won by doing exactly the opposite.

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Response to Cattledog (Reply #129)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:20 PM

140. So we try to beat him by behaving like him?

Where do we draw the line? If the end justifies the means, why stop at mere namecalling? Why not start lying shamelessly, demagoguing the worst among us, and beating up on the weakest in our society? Trump did those things and won, so why shouldn't we fight fire with fire and do it, too?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #140)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:34 PM

144. LOL.

Seeing as I've never ripped people off or forcibly grabbed women by their groins without their consent, I'm not behaving like him.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:43 PM

131. If you start a conversation with hey asshole

You will never ever win anyone over to your side of the discussion. We have to learn to persuade.

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Response to stevebreeze (Reply #131)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:49 PM

134. I have no interest in trying to persuade the hateful, idiotic supporters of the orange tumor.

They're a lost cause.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:50 PM

135. Agreed.

Particularly given the fact Republicans and conservatives are wrong on the issues.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:14 PM

138. Both can be done

No, I won't stop verbally attacking trump supporters. Just got home from Christmas with my trump humping relatives. My sister insisted on talking about Hillary being involved with pediphilia. Since I had taken a Xanax before arriving, I told her that I totally agreed with her and walked off. Later I made fun of her following Alex Jones and she defended him fiercely. I give up with them. People like my family would never vote for a dem, no matter how nice you are to them. I'm tired of dems fighting with butter knives.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:16 PM

139. We won the popular vote

I haven't seen one post by any republicans saying they need to stop taunting us. Please let us know if you find one.

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Response to blue cat (Reply #139)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:22 PM

143. I don't base my decisions on how I should conduct myself on how Republicans behave

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:22 PM

142. You do your thing; I'll do mine.

Personally, I'm not above name calling.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:38 PM

145. yes.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:09 PM

153. Ridicule is the only appropriate response.

So I utterly reject your premise.

I will never, ever not stop calling him Drumpf.

The more we pile on, the better. The GOP has to learn to regret this calamity.

Our chief weapon is ridicule, and surprise...
Our two chief weapons are ridicule and surprise and ruthless efficiency...
Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as ridicule, surprise, ruthless efficiency, blah blah blah.

Now if we only do it.

Bring on...

THE COMFY CHAIR!!!!!
DUNNNNNNN!



A little levity helps, too. We'll all need it.

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Response to longship (Reply #153)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:24 AM

158. Actually, ridicule is a very lame and ineffective response to someone who's about to become the most

powerful person on earth.

He's not a joke and shouldn't be treated as one.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #158)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 04:54 AM

161. Not joking, RIDICULE!!!

Sheesh!

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Response to longship (Reply #161)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:22 PM

165. One would have to understand the difference between the too.

 

I give this thread 3 lulz.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:58 AM

159. I cringe every time I see his name just written as is.. he needs

to be called out anyway anybody feels like it.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 04:07 PM

162. I have a job dealiing with the public...

...in a pediatric office, and, appropriately so, must be on my best behavior 100% of the time. Not all that much of a challenge, as I am, by nature (and upbringing) very quiet and reserved. This is no doubt true of many here at DU.

I most definitely need a safe haven like DU where I can come and "let fly" thoughts and feelings that would not be consederd appropriate in every day real life.

It is a sorely needed pressure release valve and I intend to take full advantage of it.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 05:57 PM

163. we can do both

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:21 PM

164. I don't trust authoritarians very much, they are shitty control freaks. nt

 

nt

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:36 PM

166. Absolutely NO, infact hell NO!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:54 PM

167. I say FUCK Trump!!!!

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Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:01 AM

168. I tend to agree, and think intentional misspellings like "drumpf" are silly, but to each their own n

 

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