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(9,548 posts)
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:13 AM Dec 2012

Weakened Filibuster Reform Plan Unveiled In Congress By John McCain, Carl Levin

The proposal by Levin and Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) and Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), doesn't propose a new rule requiring a talking filibuster, but a document they distributed explaining their proposal said the leaders of the two parties would require it.

"If a senator wants to block legislation, he or she should go to the floor of the Senate, and be there for that objection," said McCain.

"You must talk," said Levin, adding that no new rule is needed because the talking requirement has never actually been dropped. It's only been waived by senators as a courtesy, McCain and Levin said.


This plan will not fix anything.

Weakened Filibuster Reform Plan Unveiled In Congress By John McCain, Carl Levin (Original Post) UCmeNdc Dec 2012 OP
This is bull shit newfie11 Dec 2012 #1
A small apetizer for the big fiscal cliff compromise Cosmocat Dec 2012 #2
I'm not holding my breath nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #3
an actual talking filibuster sabbat hunter Dec 2012 #4
Would be fine if they enforce it. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #9
Come on, Carl. Please don't do this! catbyte Dec 2012 #5
What a surprise.... Champion Jack Dec 2012 #6
You know the Dems have the upper hand when they give everything away budkin Dec 2012 #7
We need the Udall/Merkely "Talking Filibuster" not the McCain/Levin nonsense. xxxsdesdexxx Dec 2012 #8
I agree. LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #10
Yes - and there's a petition supported by the sponsoring senators cyberswede Dec 2012 #17
Rightwingers and Centrists (Rightwingers) don't solve problems Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #11
A letter (e-mail) I just sent to Senator Schumer markpkessinger Dec 2012 #12
Please let us know if you get a reply davidpdx Dec 2012 #13
Feinstein has pretty much signed on davidpdx Dec 2012 #14
Yeah. She loves to 'look' like she's doing something lunatica Dec 2012 #18
I don't trust anything that has McCain's stamp of approval. Revolutionary Girl Dec 2012 #15
+1 And welcome to DU! SouthernDonkey Dec 2012 #16


(14,515 posts)
2. A small apetizer for the big fiscal cliff compromise
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:25 AM
Dec 2012

that Reid/McConnell will cook up.

The only saving grace might be the insane clown posse in the House.

sabbat hunter

(6,811 posts)
4. an actual talking filibuster
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 07:33 AM
Dec 2012

may actually help reduce the amount of filibusters. It will be hard to find someone who wants to stand on the floor of the senate and talk for 24 hours or more to do a filibuster.


(8,316 posts)
12. A letter (e-mail) I just sent to Senator Schumer
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:09 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:46 PM - Edit history (1)

December 29, 2012


Senator Charles E. Schumer
322 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington D.C. 20510

Dear Senator Schumer:

Having just read the details of the proposed filibuster "reform" [sic bill] introduced by you and Senator McCain (and some others), as a New Yorker and as a Democrat, I am absolutely outraged to see ANY Democrat's name (let alone my own Senator's) on such a watered-down, meaningless bill.

For the past four years, despite Democrats having won the White House and having retained a majority in the Senate, a minority party has been able to block bill after bill and nominee after nominee. Democracy has been turned on its ear as the will of the people, as expressed by the majority of their votes, has been subjugated to and overturned by a radical, extreme political party, merely by means of invoking a badly administered parliamentary maneuver. This is not what the nation's founders envisioned, nor is it what virtually every American has learned since he or she was a child about the way a representative democracy is supposed to work. This thwarting of democratic will is the primary problem that needs to be addressed at this juncture.

The bill you have proposed merely adds a few additional burdens to those wishing to filibuster legislation or executive and judicial branch nominees. But the actual ability to filibuster is the thing that needs to be seriously curtailed in the interest of enabling the electorate to express its will while at the same time having a reasonable expectation that such electoral will would be honored.

Any meaningful filibuster reform MUST include ALL of the following if it is to be considered to be at all serious:

(1) Eliminate the ability to filibuster the motion to proceed;

(2) Require that those wishing to block legislation or nominations take the floor and actually filibuster—i.e., mandating “talking filibusters”;

(3) Assert that 41 Senators must affirmatively vote to continue debate rather than forcing 60 Senators to vote to end debate; and,

(4) Streamline the confirmation process for all nominees by eliminating the currently required 30 hours of post cloture debate on a nominee to zero or at a minimum no more than 2 hours.

In short, Senator Schumer, if you want my continued support at the ballot box, and if the party as a whole expects me to remain a loyal Democrat, then you should withdraw this ill-considered, meaningless bill post haste, and get to work on a REAL filibuster reform bill that will actually address the problems with the filibuster as it currently stands, rather than merely trying to paper over certain parts of it and enabling senators to claim to their constituents that they actually _did_ something about filibuster reform. Neither you nor any other Democrat was elected to create legislation in response to a real problem that amounts to nothing more than some cosmetic changes intended to create the [false] impression among voters that something meaningful was done.

Senator Schumer, I respectfully urge you to ditch this legislation and to promptly get back to doing what you were elected to do: that is, to come up with REAL solutions to the real problems we face. What NO voter in this country wants from its elected senators is a senator that signs onto half-measures that do nothing but provide senators with political cover while failing to address the root of the problem.

Mark P. Kessinger
New York, New York


(53,410 posts)
18. Yeah. She loves to 'look' like she's doing something
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:49 AM
Dec 2012

I despise her. She has the same luck John McCain has of looking good no matter how fucking low she goes. It's because her career really took off when Mayor George Moscone was murdered. She succeeded him without the benefit of being elected. And she keeps getting re-elected because no one ever challenges her from the Democratic Party.

I really do despise her.

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