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Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,254 posts)that I agree to.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I want Patrick Leahy for SML!!! Or Barbara Boxer. Al Franken. I mean, Harry Reid? HARRY REID? Really? That's the best we can do?
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)This vote is exposing the GOP for the obstructionists they are to the American public.
This is going to be a good thing for the dems in the end.
GoCubsGo
(32,099 posts)Harry Reid isn't the one who is filibustering here.
Bigbluebrush
(66 posts)I've read interviews with Reid where he talks about wanting to spotlight over and over this messy process, where Republicans either blockade, go to the brink. It becomes more important than getting the actual bill through or person nominated.
We've seen this several times in the past couple years.
I guess this is the Dark Art of Politics.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)I also have to blame certain other Dems for not supporting reform. Reid does share blame on this because he is in a leadership position and there is no way around that,
riverbendviewgal
(4,254 posts)Harry should go.
demwing
(16,916 posts)He's not a leader, he's a misleader.
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)facepalm!
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)Jumping off a 500-foot cliff onto rocks and not expecting it to hurt when you hit bottom.
tblue
(16,350 posts)after all that brilliant negotiation? Who knew?
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)we trip over our own shoelaces.
nikto
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demwing
(16,916 posts)can you clarify your answer a bit?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Is there is an actual other Senator that can accomplish what he can't? We need an LBJ who will put a fist into McConnell's face to get business done it seems. I'm not a condoner of violence or dirty tricks, but right now, it's beginning to seem that this is what we need.
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/People_Leaders_Johnson.htm
Its tone could be supplication, accusation, cajolery, exuberance, scorn, tears, complaint, the hint of threat. It was all of these together. It ran the gamut of human emotions. Its velocity was breathtaking, and it was all in one direction. Interjections from the target were rare. Johnson anticipated them before they could be spoken. He moved in close, his face a scant millimeter from his target, his eyes widening and narrowing, his eyebrows rising and falling. From his pockets poured clippings, memos, statistics. Mimicry, humor, and genius of analogy made The Treatment an almost hypnotic experience and rendered the target stunned and helpless.
Who will be our Lyndon B. Johnson?
gateley
(62,683 posts)of the official Administration. Even if he wasn't, I think his days are numbered with the "new breed" of Republicans poisoning Washington. Not as bad as the House, but... We've got some good new ones, too, but don't know if they're of LBJ calibre. Yet. Can you think of anyone?
But I agree -- I've been saying since O was first elected that he should send Joe down to "do an LBJ"
life long demo
(1,113 posts)Reid had a chance to change the filibuster rule, he didn't. If I remember correctly, he had a handshake agreement with McConnell which means nothing.
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)s-cubed
(1,385 posts)greymattermom
(5,754 posts)close Fort Knox
RickFromMN
(478 posts)I have mixed feelings about him resigning as Majority Leader now.
He made this bed when he didn't fix the filibuster. He should get to lie in it.
I don't see what a new speaker can do to pick up the pieces.
On the other hand, someone else needs to take the reigns and start to salvage the situation.
If anyone thinks the Republicans won't reform the filibuster should they gain control,
I would think it would be easy to con them into buying some choice property on the Moon.
NYC Liberal
(20,138 posts)EastKYLiberal
(429 posts)Are a detriment to the party. And he should relinquish the power he is too cowardly to utilize.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,450 posts)I think that he's pretty good at what he does for the most part. After Daschle was defeated in 2004, he did a good job rallying the Democrats in the Senate against Bush's Social Security scheming. The main problem is that he is still responding to how things used to be only a few years ago. However, the Republicans have rapidly (de-)volved since then and I don't think him and most of the "old school" Democrats have been able and/or willing to adapt to match them blow-for-blow. The Democrats in the Senate really need to take a an hour or two sometime soon (maybe Joe B. can attend too?) for a good old-fashioned "huddle" to try to come up with some kind of strategy to break the Republican chokehold they have on the Senate and/or figure out some way to make the Republicans pay an increasingly expensive price for their tactics.
southern_belle
(1,647 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Frankly he is a losse tooth that has been festering in your mouth for years! As much as we gloat about the GOP, we have so much dead weight on our end we could easily be next, unless certain people who will not FIGHT are sent out to pasture.
XOKCowboy
(6,760 posts)After last year it was obvious that we needed filibuster reform and he punted AGAIN! I'm sick of this! Put someone in with a backbone!
IphengeniaBlumgarten
(328 posts)But tell us who would really be better.
Also, to advocate Reid's resignation appears to put all the blame on him. Too many democratic senators would not vote for the reforms he floated. And many, many of the republicans are behaving badly. Let's not distract the public from blaming them.
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