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ZRT2209

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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:41 PM Feb 2013

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Yes. Be gone, Harry, be very fucking gone! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #1
I mean resign leader post - not resign from Senate. eom ZRT2209 Feb 2013 #2
That's what I meant, too. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #5
Yes... riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #7
YES! FOUR YEARS AGO! tblue Feb 2013 #18
No. Blame the vote on The REPUBLICANS were the blame belongs. Tx4obama Feb 2013 #3
Exactly. GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #26
Dark Art of Politics Bigbluebrush Feb 2013 #27
I think he should step down from his post. Third Doctor Feb 2013 #4
Yes, but I am just a Canadian riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #6
Absolutely, he lied to everyone demwing Feb 2013 #8
fool me once, twice, three times, four times, ...one billion times... ZRT2209 Feb 2013 #9
Gosh, did anyone see this coming ? russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #10
Gosh, it's like... nikto Feb 2013 #12
Yeah, who knew they'd filibuster tblue Feb 2013 #19
Exactly. Just when I start thinking we've got our shit together russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #36
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES nikto Feb 2013 #11
Not sure I'm following you here demwing Feb 2013 #13
Yes, but only some one who can do THE TREATMENT. Cleita Feb 2013 #14
I really think Joe is a master -- but he's reined in because he has to be part gateley Feb 2013 #28
Hate to say this, but yes he should life long demo Feb 2013 #15
Amen ZRT2209 Feb 2013 #20
No, nt s-cubed Feb 2013 #16
when the sequester comes greymattermom Feb 2013 #17
At the very least, Reid should not run for Majority Leader of the Senate in two years. RickFromMN Feb 2013 #21
Nope. No way. NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #22
Yes. His inaction on guns and cowardly leadership on filibuster reform... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #23
The filibuster reform is the one that got me. Little Star Feb 2013 #29
No. There are other Senators responsible too. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #24
Maybe Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #25
yes n/t southern_belle Feb 2013 #30
HELL YES! DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #31
Hell Yes! XOKCowboy Feb 2013 #32
It may be cathartic to suggest this ... IphengeniaBlumgarten Feb 2013 #33
Message auto-removed I am Ian Feb 2013 #34
yes Faryn Balyncd Feb 2013 #35

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
1. Yes. Be gone, Harry, be very fucking gone!
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:44 PM
Feb 2013

ZRT2209

(1,357 posts)
2. I mean resign leader post - not resign from Senate. eom
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:47 PM
Feb 2013

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
5. That's what I meant, too.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:51 PM
Feb 2013

riverbendviewgal

(4,254 posts)
7. Yes...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:58 PM
Feb 2013

that I agree to.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
18. YES! FOUR YEARS AGO!
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:56 PM
Feb 2013

I want Patrick Leahy for SML!!! Or Barbara Boxer. Al Franken. I mean, Harry Reid? HARRY REID? Really? That's the best we can do?

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
3. No. Blame the vote on The REPUBLICANS were the blame belongs.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:48 PM
Feb 2013

This vote is exposing the GOP for the obstructionists they are to the American public.

This is going to be a good thing for the dems in the end.

GoCubsGo

(32,099 posts)
26. Exactly.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:11 PM
Feb 2013

Harry Reid isn't the one who is filibustering here.

Bigbluebrush

(66 posts)
27. Dark Art of Politics
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:30 PM
Feb 2013

I've read interviews with Reid where he talks about wanting to spotlight over and over this messy process, where Republicans either blockade, go to the brink. It becomes more important than getting the actual bill through or person nominated.

We've seen this several times in the past couple years.

I guess this is the Dark Art of Politics.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
4. I think he should step down from his post.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:50 PM
Feb 2013

I also have to blame certain other Dems for not supporting reform. Reid does share blame on this because he is in a leadership position and there is no way around that,

riverbendviewgal

(4,254 posts)
6. Yes, but I am just a Canadian
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:58 PM
Feb 2013

Harry should go.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
8. Absolutely, he lied to everyone
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:03 PM
Feb 2013

He's not a leader, he's a misleader.

ZRT2209

(1,357 posts)
9. fool me once, twice, three times, four times, ...one billion times...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:05 PM
Feb 2013

facepalm!

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
10. Gosh, did anyone see this coming ?
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:07 PM
Feb 2013
 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
12. Gosh, it's like...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:12 PM
Feb 2013

Jumping off a 500-foot cliff onto rocks and not expecting it to hurt when you hit bottom.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
19. Yeah, who knew they'd filibuster
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:57 PM
Feb 2013

after all that brilliant negotiation? Who knew?

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
36. Exactly. Just when I start thinking we've got our shit together
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:33 AM
Feb 2013

we trip over our own shoelaces.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
11. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:09 PM
Feb 2013
Should Harry Reid resign his majority leader role over his filibuster fail?

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demwing

(16,916 posts)
13. Not sure I'm following you here
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:17 PM
Feb 2013

can you clarify your answer a bit?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
14. Yes, but only some one who can do THE TREATMENT.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:21 PM
Feb 2013

Is there is an actual other Senator that can accomplish what he can't? We need an LBJ who will put a fist into McConnell's face to get business done it seems. I'm not a condoner of violence or dirty tricks, but right now, it's beginning to seem that this is what we need.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/People_Leaders_Johnson.htm

In leading a narrow majority, Johnson relied on his power of persuasion to keep the Democratic Conference united and round up additional votes among Republican senators. Reporters Rowland Evans and Robert Novak described the "Johnson Treatment" in their book Lyndon B. Johnson: The Exercise of Power (1966):

Its tone could be supplication, accusation, cajolery, exuberance, scorn, tears, complaint, the hint of threat. It was all of these together. It ran the gamut of human emotions. Its velocity was breathtaking, and it was all in one direction. Interjections from the target were rare. Johnson anticipated them before they could be spoken. He moved in close, his face a scant millimeter from his target, his eyes widening and narrowing, his eyebrows rising and falling. From his pockets poured clippings, memos, statistics. Mimicry, humor, and genius of analogy made The Treatment an almost hypnotic experience and rendered the target stunned and helpless.


Who will be our Lyndon B. Johnson?

gateley

(62,683 posts)
28. I really think Joe is a master -- but he's reined in because he has to be part
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:34 PM
Feb 2013

of the official Administration. Even if he wasn't, I think his days are numbered with the "new breed" of Republicans poisoning Washington. Not as bad as the House, but... We've got some good new ones, too, but don't know if they're of LBJ calibre. Yet. Can you think of anyone?

But I agree -- I've been saying since O was first elected that he should send Joe down to "do an LBJ"

life long demo

(1,113 posts)
15. Hate to say this, but yes he should
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:26 PM
Feb 2013

Reid had a chance to change the filibuster rule, he didn't. If I remember correctly, he had a handshake agreement with McConnell which means nothing.

ZRT2209

(1,357 posts)
20. Amen
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:20 PM
Feb 2013

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
16. No, nt
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:28 PM
Feb 2013

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
17. when the sequester comes
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:29 PM
Feb 2013

close Fort Knox

RickFromMN

(478 posts)
21. At the very least, Reid should not run for Majority Leader of the Senate in two years.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:31 PM
Feb 2013

I have mixed feelings about him resigning as Majority Leader now.

He made this bed when he didn't fix the filibuster. He should get to lie in it.
I don't see what a new speaker can do to pick up the pieces.

On the other hand, someone else needs to take the reigns and start to salvage the situation.

If anyone thinks the Republicans won't reform the filibuster should they gain control,
I would think it would be easy to con them into buying some choice property on the Moon.

NYC Liberal

(20,138 posts)
22. Nope. No way.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:35 PM
Feb 2013
 

EastKYLiberal

(429 posts)
23. Yes. His inaction on guns and cowardly leadership on filibuster reform...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:47 PM
Feb 2013

Are a detriment to the party. And he should relinquish the power he is too cowardly to utilize.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
29. The filibuster reform is the one that got me.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:39 PM
Feb 2013

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
24. No. There are other Senators responsible too.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:03 PM
Feb 2013

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,450 posts)
25. Maybe
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:08 PM
Feb 2013

I think that he's pretty good at what he does for the most part. After Daschle was defeated in 2004, he did a good job rallying the Democrats in the Senate against Bush's Social Security scheming. The main problem is that he is still responding to how things used to be only a few years ago. However, the Republicans have rapidly (de-)volved since then and I don't think him and most of the "old school" Democrats have been able and/or willing to adapt to match them blow-for-blow. The Democrats in the Senate really need to take a an hour or two sometime soon (maybe Joe B. can attend too?) for a good old-fashioned "huddle" to try to come up with some kind of strategy to break the Republican chokehold they have on the Senate and/or figure out some way to make the Republicans pay an increasingly expensive price for their tactics.

southern_belle

(1,647 posts)
30. yes n/t
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:59 PM
Feb 2013

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
31. HELL YES!
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:03 PM
Feb 2013

Frankly he is a losse tooth that has been festering in your mouth for years! As much as we gloat about the GOP, we have so much dead weight on our end we could easily be next, unless certain people who will not FIGHT are sent out to pasture.

XOKCowboy

(6,760 posts)
32. Hell Yes!
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:31 PM
Feb 2013

After last year it was obvious that we needed filibuster reform and he punted AGAIN! I'm sick of this! Put someone in with a backbone!

33. It may be cathartic to suggest this ...
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:36 PM
Feb 2013

But tell us who would really be better.

Also, to advocate Reid's resignation appears to put all the blame on him. Too many democratic senators would not vote for the reforms he floated. And many, many of the republicans are behaving badly. Let's not distract the public from blaming them.

Response to ZRT2209 (Original post)

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
35. yes
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:04 AM
Feb 2013
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