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flpoljunkie

(26,184 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 02:51 PM Jun 2013

Salon: Did Obama Just Kill Keystone XL?

Emphasis mine.

TUESDAY, JUN 25, 2013 02:10 PM EDT

Did Obama just kill Keystone XL?
Not necessarily, but his new policy makes it less likely the administration will approve the pipeline
BY ALEX SEITZ-WALD


A 2011 Keystone video protest outside the White House (Wikimedia)

Just ahead of the president’s big speech on climate change, the Huffington Post’s Sam Stein breaks the news that President Obama will ask Secretary of State John Kerry to reject the Keystone XL pipeline if State finds the pipeline increases carbon emissions. It’s huge news that took environmentalists completely by surprise. They didn’t expect the president to address Keystone in his speech — he’s avoided discussing the pipeline at all since issuing an executive order to have State study the environmental impact some time ago.

So is this the end of Keystone? Stein says the “policy somewhat splits the difference — not killing the project outright, but ensuring that it meets a basic environmental standard.”

Environmentalists are thrilled, but reserving a healthy skepticism because there’s still a big “if” here.

While it may seem obvious that the pipeline would increase emissions (and most climate scientists have said it would), the State Department’s initial environmental impact statement (EIS) concluded the pipeline would have negligible impact on global greenhouse gas emissions, because oil sands from Alberta would still be transported via rail or other pipelines if Keystone XL was never built. The assessment, written by a contractor that was seen as overly friendly to the industry, was immediately controversial and even drew criticism from the EPA. It’s currently under review.

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http://www.salon.com/2013/06/25/did_obama_just_kill_keystone_xl/singleton/
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Salon: Did Obama Just Kill Keystone XL? (Original Post) flpoljunkie Jun 2013 OP
Smoke and mirrors IMO Politicalboi Jun 2013 #1
if he was gonna kill it he could just DO IT NOW but that takes leadership & committment lol nt msongs Jun 2013 #2
IF it creates no net new greenhouse gases AND is safe to operate lapfog_1 Jun 2013 #4
This will end up like oil drilling Politicalboi Jun 2013 #7
Yup! Politicalboi Jun 2013 #5
AL Gore:"terrific and historic speech, by far the best address on climate by any president ever" great white snark Jun 2013 #8
Thank you for the link. nt proverbialwisdom Jun 2013 #10
Everyone loved Al Gore when he bashed the president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #13
Obama can't just wave a wand and make it disappear. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #9
Lol you are factually wrong, legally the process has to run its course. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #11
I’m starting to think … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #16
No, they just enjoy whining as a recreational activity nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #18
this is a president that told us that hurricanes don't cause offshore oil spills Enrique Jun 2013 #3
And what if a tornado comes through Politicalboi Jun 2013 #6
I think he did because he knows that the Congress is not going to abide by those conditions. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #12
The key word is 'significantly' PDittie Jun 2013 #14
I prefer to be optimistic and not raging on about .. Cha Jun 2013 #15
""environmental impact statement (EIS) concluded the pipeline would have negligible impact"" Sunlei Jun 2013 #17
I have a simple solution ConcernedCanuk Jun 2013 #19
Pretty much Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #20
Saw this coming a while back myself. AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #21
I dont think its killed or alive.. its still in question. DCBob Jun 2013 #22
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
1. Smoke and mirrors IMO
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jun 2013

We ARE getting the pipeline one way or the other, and we're going to like it.

We will pipe sludge, but not water to states that really need it. Instead of letting towns flood, why not come up with a water pipeline to send the overflow throughout the US. Why must we put more at risk with this monster that some "terrorist" could probably blow up and cause havoc. Why are we allowing ourselves to become more vulnerable?

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
4. IF it creates no net new greenhouse gases AND is safe to operate
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 03:00 PM
Jun 2013

what's the problem with it?

I heard the President say that it would not be approved if it can't demonstrate these reasonable restrictions...

And every power plant and car and appliance sold in the US should be held to the same standards.

I am a very committed "green" and I have no problem with this statement.

Of course, I don't believe that the operators of the tar sands or the pipeline can demonstrate either of the two conditions.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
7. This will end up like oil drilling
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jun 2013

"Oops, We spilled" Do they have a safe way to clean up the mess? We saw in Arkansas how they swept sludge into the storm drains just to get it out of the streets. They ONLY clean what people can see. The rest gets lost in pointing fingers going all the way down the line till it's forgotten. How much money is it going to cost to protect this pipeline? Or are they even going to protect it. They are already getting away with not putting high tech devises that show leaks right away. They are ALREADY negligent.

They get away with that, while me living in Ca have to get a smog check every 2 years. My little truck is better regulated than this pipeline.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. Yup!
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013

And with a BIG smile on his face. But he won't. I am pro Obama for the most part even with all the spying. I would rather have to say over the phone "Hail Obama" to use my phone, than to have this monster be put up.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
16. I’m starting to think …
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jun 2013

That the “progressive/libertarian left” are more authoritarian than, apparently, they realize. It seems, while decrying authoritarianism, they are in favor of expanding the power of the Executive Office to go around Constitutional limits.
But I guess it’s Okay because it is what they want him to do.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
3. this is a president that told us that hurricanes don't cause offshore oil spills
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jun 2013

he was specific about it, he was talking about hurricanes that had happened just a few years earlier, it was easily proved false, but he still said it, and few news outlets called bothered to point out it wasn't true.

With Keystone, it will be prospective studies, much easier to distort if Obama chooses to, and he has already shown the willingness to blatantly distort things that had already happened, to advance his pro-offshore-drilling policy.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
6. And what if a tornado comes through
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jun 2013

What then of the pipeline and it's sludge. Sludge saves tornado victims from tornado, but now they will suffer years of illnesses that will be denied were caused by the sludge. Win Win.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
14. The key word is 'significantly'
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 06:08 PM
Jun 2013

Read his words in their full context. And keep in mind that this is the same guy who said he would not let anyone "slash" Social Security benefits.

Cha

(297,193 posts)
15. I prefer to be optimistic and not raging on about ..
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jun 2013

why it's not going to happen.

thanks flpoljunkie

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. ""environmental impact statement (EIS) concluded the pipeline would have negligible impact""
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jun 2013

""environmental impact statement (EIS) concluded the pipeline would have negligible impact""


Don't you just love the way the corps 'game' the reporting system. Don't include the, mining, refining, possible leak/containment accident, of the resourse in their impact statement.

Later on when the pipeline breaks because of some flood, killer tornado, or wild fire and contaminates 50 square miles the corp will whine for billions in clean-up funds, "the president signed the ok"

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
19. I have a simple solution
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 03:55 PM
Jun 2013

.
.
.

Eject our Harper-dude - and close down the tar sands that are ruining our environment.

CC

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
21. Saw this coming a while back myself.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:42 AM
Jun 2013

Granted, TBH, it doesn't necessarily mean that Keystone's finished for good, but it does seem to show that Obama has, once again, taken the facts into consideration.....and we need that right now.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
22. I dont think its killed or alive.. its still in question.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:45 AM
Jun 2013

The President is just being very careful and prudent and deliberate... which the right way to approach this complicated issue.

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