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egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:45 AM Jul 2013

CNN Don Lemon Agrees With Bill O’Reilly As He Excoriates Black Community (VIDEO)


Fox News can always be counted on to lie. More dangerously they can be counted on to speak some truth completely out of context to promote a destructive narrative. When one builds a story or rant off of said out of context truth, it immediately gives the bad context plausibility to the willfully ignorant.

Don Lemon committed that sin on Saturday. He used a truthful rant with an out of context narrative by Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly to justifiably castigate some in the Black community. The problem is that in using Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, he provided the wrong context. He will become the poster boy for many on the Right who as opposed to looking for the causes of the problem will be punitive in asserting that these problems are self-inflicted.

Don Lemon agreed with the recent Bill O’Reilly’s Talking Points Commentary without expanding that absent the correct context adds to the problem. O’Reilly said, “The reason there is so much violence and chaos in the black precincts is the disintegration of the African American family. Raised without structure, young black men often reject the education process and gravitate towards vice. Nobody forces them to do that. It is a personal decision.”

While partially true the causes of the disintegration of the African American family is not discussed. Lemon allowed himself to fall into a Right Wing trap that this country has fallen into. It is no different than the Mitt Romney 47% comment. It is not different than telling a truth about how little taxes many pay without stating the fact that depressed wages for most and exploding wages for the top makes that the mathematical reality that has nothing to do with one’s value, worth, or productivity to society.

Absent in O’Reilly’s narrative is the complicity of the justice system in criminalizing black men which over time destroys the family. Absent in O’Reilly’s narrative is the racism in employment that makes families poor and insecure. Absent in O’Reilly’s narrative is simply what racism does to the esteem of many that manifests itself as dysfunction in all aspects of life.

Don Lemon simplistically says there are five things Black people should think about if interested in fixing the problem; (5) Pull up your pants, (4) Stop using the N word. (3) Respect where you live. (2) Finish school. (1) Stop having out of wedlock babies. Really?

Most because of prevailing culture are more comfortable with the norm of wearing pants above the waist. Most agree that the N-word should really be excised from the vocabulary because of historic hurt it inflicted on many.

Lemon’s assertion about trash is rather baffling and insulting. He sees littering as a racial problem as opposed to the socio-economic problem it is most of the times. Maybe he should visit some middle and upper class black neighborhoods in Houston and other southern cities and some lower class white neighborhoods in Appalachia.

Lemon’s assertion about finishing school is on point. But yet again he fails to take into account poverty and access to higher education. Lemon’s assertion about having out of wedlock babies is also on point. What he fails to acknowledge is that you cannot fix dysfunctions with assertions. You must find the underlying problems. Much of the out of wedlock problems for teens is caused by a lack of education, poverty, lack of options after school, and lack of options in the summers.

There is a lack of investment in people in America. As the middle class continue its decline the same problems that afflict the black community because it is generally poorer will afflict a large percentage of the white community in the not too distant future.

Lemon has a platform where he could have used Bill O’Reilly’s rant with an intellectually honest narrative. He could have used it to define why O’Reilly’s statements were partially true and where his inference was wrong. He could have then provided the socio-economic narrative of this cancer spreading to the entire population absent fixes to the basic American economic contract.

http://egbertowillies.com/2013/07/29/cnn-don-lemon-agrees-with-bill-oreilly-as-he-excoriates-black-community-video/
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CNN Don Lemon Agrees With Bill O’Reilly As He Excoriates Black Community (VIDEO) (Original Post) egbertowillies Jul 2013 OP
Slightly OT, but is Lemon unaware Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #1
Using RW paradigms is one of the reasons things are so fucked up Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #2
Lemon is generally pretty good davidpdx Jul 2013 #3
I liked Lemon too. Haven't watched CNN for a long time now Whisp Jul 2013 #4
I'm surprised he didn't add something like..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #5

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
1. Slightly OT, but is Lemon unaware
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jul 2013

that pants sagging is no longer in style now? I live in the 'hood, and I can vouch that most young guys around my age don't do that anymore.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. Using RW paradigms is one of the reasons things are so fucked up
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:00 PM
Jul 2013

There are NO simple-step quick-fix solutions for deep-rooted societal issues...But they're so popular sadly because simple fixes are easy to understand and very soundbite-friendly...

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
3. Lemon is generally pretty good
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 08:45 PM
Jul 2013

He made a mistake tying his comments to Bill O'Reily and instead should have taken the topic from his own point of view. I've watched him on the weekends and he is very talented.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
4. I liked Lemon too. Haven't watched CNN for a long time now
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:47 PM
Jul 2013

but used to quite regularly and Lemon was one of the very very few bright spots. He is smart and had a kindness about him that most in that industry don't have.

I'm disappointed he would do this. Doesn't seem like him at all. o well.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
5. I'm surprised he didn't add something like.....
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:17 AM
Aug 2013

"Beat around your kids/wives when they slip up", or "turn yourselves against homos & other effeminates" as number 6.....either of which could have been the perfect shitty icing on this already disgusting cake of utter fail. I mean, come on, this whole schtick is as old as "Hee Haw" at the very least and is as fucking offensive as, well.....fill in the blank.

I may be a white guy, and from Texas.....but I get sick and tired of hearing idiots like Billo bloviating about how black people won't do this, they won't do that.....bullshit. I know that there's many black people who ARE trying to better their situation in any way they can. But I've learned just how badly the system is gamed against People of Color; and how TPTB are all too willing to keep the status quo going in so many ways, from the perpetuation of gross & cruel stereotyping, such as all urban blacks are supposedly potential street thugs, or the quite popular "tough love" beat-the-hell-outta-the-kid-to-make-him-perfect meme as being part of black culture(which it isn't! Though from what I've seen, some conservatives, in their own twisted way, sometimes try to turn it into a backhanded "compliment" to use against the "unworthy" blacks.....y'know, mainly lefties.), to outright targeting, such as these B.S. voter ID laws or the school-to-prison pipeline.....and I could go on forever. But I won't.

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